Anexus

Has there been any discussion regarding glyphs yet? I'm assuming glyph of corruption is nice, but I'm not sure what to use as my second glyph. I think I will specc affliction for the remaining month of tbc and then go demonology for leveling.

 

• KingSpeedy

For Affliction I'm using Corruption and Shadow Bolt.

 

DiamondTear

Only glyphs available at the moment for affliction are shadowbolt and corruption.

 

Shodan30

Thought up a few questions. These are more curosity questions rather then complaints.

1) If we dot someone up real good, then die, do the dots still proc pandemic before they run out?

2) Does Trimbrals proc on pandemic ticks?

3) Has anyone tested if debuffs that increase chance to crit on mobs are giving the proper crit rate on pandemic, or is it just based on the locks crit rate.

 

Anexus

Aha, I didnt think of that. I just checked lvl requirements and not where the glyphs could be learned.

I've been considering regemming my gear, but mostly concluded that it wouldnt be worth the cost. However, it did get me thinking about which gems to choose. Assuming socket bonuses are worth going for or you need meta requirement what is the best blue gem now? Considering the same type of gems are available in wotlk it would be nice to know. For shadow destro I used haste + sta, mostly because our gbank was flooded with them. For affliction I now consider spellpower + spirit or spellpower + mp5. With improved spirit and the new fel armor I get 5 spirit = 2 spellpower (didnt consider kings). So this is where I fail. How do you compare 2mp5 with 2spellpower? Who wins?

 

rochan

Our damage is fucking pitiful right now. I specced affliction and my dots were getting pushed off on Brutallus. Destro warlocks were even lower than me. It's not pretty. We are basically last place, even behind Priests/Ret Pallys/SHaman.

 

Pullo

Indeed 3.0 has not been kind to our class. Apparently we fare better at 80 according to simulationcraft results shown here. However I don't see the inclusion of Ret Pallys or Rogues in these simulations.

In my runs with Ret pallys in raids, they pretty much owned everything. The disparity was even further on trash or any boss fights with adds.

Ghostcrawler indicated that this trend wasn't what he intends and we've seen some pretty impressive results from warlocks in Premonition's parses from Naxx 25.

While it sure isn't fun getting rolled on meters at 70. I really cbf with what they're passing off as sunwell now.

 

Lrrps

Has anyone found a good spec for pvp. 3.0 seems to have put us locks in last place- getting owned by pallies in crap gear. I went 56-5 spec and I die so fast that my damage is crap. It does not matter if I am in pvp gear with 467 resil and 1275 spell dmg or my t6 with 1429 spell dmg-25% crit and 174 haste. I even tried a full destro spec- no love there either. Any suggestions on specs or are we just hosed?

Also, what spec seems to do the most dps in raids? I have read threads but dont seem to find a stand-out spec yet.

 

kaib

My beta raiding has not giving me an impression that that's gonna change. In my first 25 men nax the top 12 dps spots were constantly only hunters/dks (including MT and OT interestingly)/ret pala with warlocks/mages/rogues being at 70 to 80% of their dps roughly. I don't think there was a full affliction lock though, just fire stuff.

So, about affliction, did anyone raid the last two days with multiple affliction locks? Did they actually change something about debuff slots? It's been hinted a few times but nothing definite.

 

Tehehe

Just for some emperical data:

I went the 0/46/15 spec I linked earlier for tonight and it did pretty well. I consistently outperformed the other two locks (1 destro, 1 affliction) although they both were having some addon/lag issue (albeit so was I). I did about 2770 on Brutallus (2:40 kill).

It was also a lot of fun playing with a pet . If anyone is up in the air about specs I definitely suggest giving Felguard/Ruin a try.

 

◊ Melbuframa

Debuff slots have not changed, if you raid with more then 1 aff lock your dots get kicked off. even with only 1 they get kicked off

 

Runez

What was your rotation as that weird Felguard/Ruin spec? Shadowbolt/Incinerate spam? =/

We only managed 2/6 in Sunwell yesterday due to some weird bug in our instance. I was raiding as 3/4/54 alongside a lock with an identical spec, and we both came out more or less on bottom with a solid corruption > immolate > incineratex5 > conflag > chaos bolt, etc rotation. Not happy with these figures at all so I'm looking to change it for tonight for the rest of Sunwell.

 

richard

I wouldn't be too worried about what spec performs best right now, everything is so nerfed it's impossible to try any sort of rotation. Stuff dies so fast that it doesn't really matter.

I just specced what I thought was fun, Metamorph .

 

Dayone

My friend did really well with a similar build as we cleared 1-5 Sunwell last night. His felguard was doing as high as 450 dps. He was doing better than me as aff and our destro lock. He only casted dps curse, corruption, and shadow bolts. Remember that the other builds require getting used to the new rotation so try things out on your own before accepting the numbers from a spreadsheet.

 

Nailo

Hi, Here i have a question to do about people that raided with Felhunter is this week. I was specced 56/0/5 with 1 point only on imp FelHunter but my Pet was doing an extremely low dps.. Like 20k damage in Brut, doing less than 100 dps. Is this what you guys were getting too?

 

vanisher

What was your friend's exact spec?

 

Tehehe

I kept up Immolate/Corruption/CoA with SB fillers. I'd be interested in seeing results without some DoTs - but I'm pretty sure spreadsheets show that keeping them up will be higher DPS (no source, perhaps I'm wrong).

Oh, and with a full clear of Sunwell I had absolutely no problems keeping my Felguard alive. I have 0/3 Demonic Resilience and 0/3 Fel Synergy. I didn't even have to pay attention to his health.

I also had no mana problems with 1/3 Mana Feed, but that's pretty much expected.


edit: Here's the exact spec I went:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...21500135031200

A friend went 2/2 Intensity instead of 2/3 Demonic Empathy, which probably gives slightly better results. Anyone have any data/math on Demonic Empathy? How does it work with DoTs? I assume ticks don't eat up charges and it doesn't affect DoTs that are already up, but it will affect the entire duration of newly casted DoTs while the buff is up... is that correct?

 

Deherring

Having only tested new spec and cast rotation on PTR, during our recent true 25-man raid I started having some doubts about what Blizzy is thinking about locks.

Initially disturbed by this Fire-Lock-IwannabeMage, figuring out a sequence able to gain benefits from MC and Imp bolts was intriguing but by now I realize I'm probably on the wrong direction.

Trying to stick with Destro, due to gear and love of big numbers on one shot (I know is a poor reason) I'm testing this 2/3/56.
Rotation used is:

ShadowBolt -> Corruption -> Chaos -> Immolate -> Incinerate -> Incinerate -> again again and Conflagrate when Immolate is under 5 sec. Then over again.

Gear is 2/8 t6, some badge and some MH. Usually I was around 1200 to 1600 dps (buffed). Now I'm having hard time sticking to 1300 while wars and mages rally up to 1900... same gear.

Now I'm having doubts about Conflagrate and Backdraft real benefit.
Back to 0/21/40 Confla for fire locks was considered by some a loss in dps due to GlobalCD. Maybe is the same even in 3.x.

What do you think guys?

 

Trickykid

I'm not sure how many guilds run without elemental shamans, but trading 5 Demonic Pact for 5 Ruin? Even if this is an average 100 spell power, that's a pretty huge gain compared to an extra crit mod on your nukes. With very rough napkin math:

-With 60% damage from SB and 40% crit, ruin gives about 11% extra damage (base is .6*(1+.5*.4)=1.12, ruin is .6*(1+.4)=1.24, gain is 1.24/1.12=10.7%).

-100 spell power to just DPSers, let's say 8 casters (which is lowball for my guild). 100 spell power 2.0 came out to about 5% extra damage, so let's lowball it again and call it 2.5% even though damage has not doubled. 2.5% * 8 = 20% gain (normalized to one person)

Almost double the DPS to the raid with very lowballed numbers (the spell power gained, the number of players getting gain and the % increase from that spell power), let alone the extra gain for healers (and hybrid classes which take advantage of spell power). Also, once you get down that far, metamorphasis becomes very cheap (at the cost of 1 ISB point) and is pretty nice for the, now very short, fights in pre-Wrath 3.0.

 

Tehehe

Even without an Elemental Shaman you're getting 106 dmg from a normal Shaman's Flametongue totem. Let's say casters currently have about 1200 damage, then that's not even a 20dmg gain. It might be good at 80 if our damage scales to the 2000+ point, but otherwise the gain over Flametongue (especially an improved one) isn't really worth it.

Oh, and who even knows what uptime will be like (probably pretty high).

 

Trickykid

Uptime is pretty high, even without raid buffs he was critting around 25%. Even if he had a 2sec swing and one cleave per 12 second period, that's 1-.75^7=87% uptime. My demonic pact was giving me 142 spell power so that's 123 average, which probably gets a bit closer to 142 in a raid with haste and crit bonuses to the demon.

You're correct it's not nearly as big a buff with flametongue, I hadn't thought about non-stacking there. However, metamorphosis is still a 3.3% damage increase if not stacked on top of heroism/trinkets/etc (which is pretty huge in short fights). It's much closer, but I think demonic pact + metamorphosis is a greater gain than Ruin and 1 point in ISB for my raids.

 

Dayone

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I played Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft. Our destro lock played 7/3/51 with the imp talents and no backdraft. The imp was buggy compared to the felguard which had no trouble surviving.

 

Leficen

I tried your spec and it was a lot of fun. The felguard was tearing things up with the aid of a enhance shammy, BM hunter, and fury warrior. I was hitting around 2700 dps on Brut and 2600 dps on Felmyst. Popping demonic empowerment whenever it was up really helped (during bloodlust too).

We have a similar raid makeup of locks that you did, and I out dps'd them all with that spec. (0/46/15)

I'm still lagging behind rogues and hunters, but this is only temporary until the exp arrives and we start getting better.

 

Reeshet

I've been playing around with my spell rotation on my 70 warlock. I spec'd 53/0/8 mainly because I really want to try out Haunt. I got +3% Hit on affliction and destruction spells for leveling to 80 in anticipation that I'll probably try killing lots of mobs higher level than me and that the current 202 hit rating I have already on my gear will be worth less soon.

But as far as the spell rotation, I did some testing and it seems to me that the best rotation is to put the dots up in order of highest dps.

The only exception I made to this was casting Haunt at the very first, because
1. It puts on the SE debuff that adds damage to dots coming up
2. The 1.5 second cast time gives the tank one or two GCD's to get aggro.

So, my current spell rotation has been for longer fights.
Haunt -> Corruption -> CoA -> UA -> immolate -> SB -> recast Haunt -> SB Fillers keeping dots up.

If there's AOE damage or lots of movement then I'll add in Siphon life.

With the post from Ghostcrawler about the change of Haunt to 8 second cooldown, I'm now looking at changing this rotation. I'm presuming that it will keep it's 12 second duration so it wouldn't HAVE to be wedged in 8 seconds the way I'm trying to do with Haunt at 10 seconds to ensure no downtime on Shadow Embrace.

My other question, is has anyone done any testing with leading off with "Haunt -> SB -> rest of dots" In order to get 2 stacks of Shadow Embrace up as quickly as possible? I did a search on Forum and couldn't find any data on that.

 

Alopex

I believe that because of the complexity of how long various DoTs last, the fact that CoA is now reported to have better DPS than CoD, and the need to keep both shadow embrace and haunt on the target, affliction warlocks cannot have a rotation. Some people had argued in the past for an affliction rotation, with some arguing for a priority system and gave you the ability to choose the superior spell when you have to make a choice. As such, I see a possible priority system looking like this:

Initial Cycle: Haunt, SB (to max SE), UA->Corruption, Immolate->CoA, SiLife

After that, use this system:

Haunt
UA/Corruption
CoA
Siphon Life
Immolate
Fillers: SB, LT/DP, movement, ect

For example, let's say that Immolate and UA are both going to fall off at the same time. You would recast UA first, then immolate. If haunt's cooldown comes up and UA is 1.5 seconds from falling off, recast haunt first and then recast UA.

This is assuming that immolate is affected by haunt; the wording on haunt suggests that it is. If it's not, remove it from the rotation.

This assumes a variation on 51/0/5