I agree with this, although you're nitpicking between [Vestments of the Sea-Witch], [Cowl of the Illidari High Lord], and [Leggings of Channeled Elements].

The [Robes of Rhonin] are a sidegrade from t6 and are not worth using.

Eventually you might want all 3 in case you pick up replacements for t6 shoulders or gloves in Sunwell. That said, I grabbed the Vestments. Our pallies are getting the first batch of t6 chests.

To break the t6 four piece, the sunwell loot would have to be insanely good. I foresee me keeping 4piece until expansion.

Also played a bit with WoWDigger before and personally focusing for this gear:
Talosh - Character - World of Warcraft - WoWDigger

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Making a guy with 84 hit play 0/21/40 is the last resort to be honest. Try to teach him proper rotations in deep affli, it's not that hard with dot timer addon (NECB is rly good from my experience).

A bit different question: how good are the [Recipe: Destruction Potion]s? 2% crit 120 dmg is SWEET, but... 15secs? seems short... And you're using your pot CD up which might hurt in these oh-shit-moments

On the other hand popping it during bloodlust... mmmmmmm, pure love!

EDIT: lets assume I'm able to squeeze out 6 sbs during this effect (no haste, zero lag). How is potential dmg gain looking compared to, lets say mana pot vs. 2 gcd of tapping + life loss.

84 is more than enough for destro.

As for the potions:
2% crit and 120 damage for 6 shadowbolts is on average the same as +12% crit and 720spellpower for one bolt, say 1200-1500 damage, and that's being very, very generous. A mana potion gives you two GCDs, or roughly a shadow bolt's worth, say 2000-2500. This is ignoring multipliers like CoS, DS, Misery, Shadoweaving, they work for both. Under normal circumstances, the mana pot will win by a mile.

Hmm? If I didn't see ur armory I'd simply say u're crazy, but you seems experienced so I'll try to figure why would u let any lock go destro with 84 crit...

Maybe in _this_ case that low hit won't be gamebreaking, BUT in general he'd do MUCH better as affliction after learning basic rotations.

Not sure about ur maths, cause higher crit might influence imp sb uptime thus buffing your/raid dps by a noticable margin. As I thought, destro pots seem very situational.

Concluding...These pots will shine in short encounters like maybe Akama (no mana problems, although maybe not the boss u'll want to pot for ), Teron (pew pew like there is no tomorrow cause in 5 secs u can become the ghost) and fights where u need fast burst dmg (Kael p2 for example). For longer stuff mana pot looks better.

That would be, what, 6.5% of the 16% to be hit-capped. How is that more than enough for Destruction? When I run those digits through the spreadsheet they cry. With 6.5% hit, they would be much better served UA/Affliction with Suppression, wouldn't they?

^ correct

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the guy was capable of maintaining a dot rotation, he'd be playing a bit better than he is.

I ran the numbers for the guy in question. The difference in DPS between Destro and UA build for his gear setup (6.5% hit, same damage and crit as his armory) was 30 dps. UA wins by 30 DPS. I think 30 DPS is a worthy sacrifice for a build that is FAR easier to play, and it seems he needs help in that area.

Hit scales better than damage and crit, and even haste. But this deity-like worship of it is ill-conceived. It's better than damage point for point. You get the most dps increase from it. But you in no way need 16% hit to go destro and remain competitive with affliction. The more damage and crit you have, the more hit becomes important. With his 800ish damage, hit just wasn't that influential.

My numbers were all generated with the spreadsheet, this is not guesswork.

Yesterday I read in this thread, that it would be a good idea to have my imp buffed w/ wisdom for increased mana regen. And last night during our Magtheridon run I asked one of our pally's to buff him. He told me that he could not buff him.

Am I missing something or was the information that I read incorrect? Thx

Nice! Thanks for the reply.

I'd change around a few things:
-Nethervoid cloak over Illidari, which allows you to use Seacaller boots instead of Nightmare (imo you should only use Illidari if you have an elemental sham).
-You want to put 3 reds in your 3 slot items and two orange/purple combos in 2 slot items (for the meta gem). This maximizes DPS.

Also I was going to ask how the Exalted Hyjal Ring compares to a 2nd haste ring. I'd assume the difference is very very negligible, perhaps in favour of the haste ring. But I dont really want to spend massive points on a second ring, when the Hyjal one is free.

Despite you already agreeing with me, I'd like to add that your spreadsheet experiment assumes:

- consistent damage on a boss-level creature: +hit is useless on (almost) all adds and trash.
- ideal dot rotations: clearly not the case here
- no gear swapping: he might have destro suited gear banked

Let us know how it goes!

It also assumes single target encounter with very little movement. Affliction gets an edge if either or both of these are faulty assumptions.

Is the latest Leulier 1.19 bugged for anyone else?

When I opened it up this morning to test the new raid ISB feature I found it filled with Err:508's.

I'm running Open Office to read the spread sheet but have never had problems with it reading XL before.

Your imp will also pick up group buffs (stam/spt/int/mark) while unshifted. Always unshift your imp during buffs, including after wipes. It's better for you if he's buffed, and it's easier for everyone involved if he just gets the buffs when you do rather than having to redo buffs for him specifically. Int, spirit, kings, wisdom, and mark will all increase his regen, although he seems to have an extraordinarily poor spirit->regen ratio. I don't recall of the top of my head but it's in the neighborhood of 30:1, compared to 4:1 for player characters. He benefits from BoW as normal.

The bonus as explained on the 1.18.1 spreadsheet is 88 dps with my current gear (and can scale more if I had a better weapon).

That is pretty huge.

For Affliction it is about half the gain, so those guys will not have as much of a problem with Sunwell items.

I recently encountered the same error. The problem does not lie with the spreadsheet. Open Office Calc did not import the named ranges causing many of the formula to break.

I'm going to be taking some WWS from our SSC tries tonight. I'll get them posted for you guys to pick at.

I think this was answered before, but I couldn't find it. I'm curious about this too now that I have both options.

From Wowhead's varied math comments it seems that the buff is actually 15s not the 10 on the tool tip, it has a 10% proc rate, and its internal CD is 45s.

Sadly I'm no scientist and really don't know how to use those numbers properly. Perhaps someone can take it from here.

The best I can do is guessimate the proc is worth about 20dmg. If thats the case, dual haste rings do seem to be the way to go, though they are really close.

:/ Thank you so I guess I'm stuck with 1.18 until it's open office is changed or the SS somehow is adjusted for OO.