This would make for interesting testing on beta/ptr.... Once the Imp is OOM, have him attack a target dummy for several minutes and count the number of Fire Bolts.

Do this again with Arcane Brilliance on the Imp and we'll have some very useful info.

Yes. The Imp definitely regenerates 30% mana while casting. I actually did the calculation exactly as you just suggested. It is also very clearly working with the same FSR players do.

Just remember that my numbers are all from the PTR, and therefore are only representative of a level 70 Imp. You should probably check to see if the Imp's regen has any correlation to the formula players use. It would certainly be nice if it was something simple like PlayerCoefficient*3.

As Kyth has mentioned earlier Siphon Life/Fel Guard looks pretty strong for big pull grinding and soloing group quest mobs with Health Funnel and Void Walker.
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Is what I'll spec on Nov. 13.

Seconded. I already know that I won't be getting my copy until a month and a half later, so I'll be going Demo for the first time on live to power it out quick. It's just unfortunate that SL/FG can only be achieved as of 71. Metamorphosis itself is not something that I would take for normal use, but if used in a cooldown-stacking environment or during boss vulnerability phases the extra kick is enormous (Netherspite is my favorite example for casters, even though it's in lolKara. Amp-Doom after tanking the Blue for a full phase, now imagine Meta-Doom instead)

A better idea would be to put DPS curses as a different "type" so you have the utility debuff and a DPS curse from a single lock. We have to nerf personal DPS to benefit the raid and our personal DPS should be balanced as if we do not have a DPS curse. Ideally we should have both but Blizzard has not put these mechanics on separate stacks.

Demonology at 70 info: If any one can give alternate uptime numbers let me know this is from the following spec:
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Un raid buffed, in gear that's pretty ghetto compared to what I am wearing now, (about another 100 SP, 40 more haste, 3% crit which is the big one) My felgaurd in demo was bringing another 148 dmg to the party with an up time of ~80%, or an overall buff of 118.4 dmg.

That would mean in order to have enough spell power to get get more then 140 spell power you need to be getting a 176 spell power buff, or 1760 spell power overall. Now in live I'm at 1575 shadow dmg or 126 increased raid spell dmg with the 80% up time. Now demonic knowledge would give me a decent amount of damage., it's 109 on PTR not sure what it would be at on live. So assuming it's the same on live as it is on ptr that would set me at 1684 spell power; or at 80% up time, 134.72 dmg.

The Affliction build seems decent enough. Though, depending how LT v. Dark Pact turns out, you might be able to get something instead of DP.

The Destruction build seems very...misguided. Why no Chaos Bolt? Why no Emp. Imp? Why ISB along with Emberstorm? This Build is what I will be doing after 3.0.2.

The Demonology build seems alright, a slight change I'd make is taking Fel Synergy. My experience is really that without an SP, T5 set bonus alone is pretty hard pressed to keep up a Felguard against the amount of AoE in tier 6.

Thanks for the guidance. I was thinking the imp may be better left on passive and used for the stam bonus rather than letting him attack...didn't know if he could survive most encounters as squishy as he is. I loved the idea of a machine gun imp wreaking havoc at my feet...I guess I can look forward to that after the patch.

On a side note...will the hit cap be going up after the patch? I thought I read something somewhere about that changing not only after the patch but in to Wrath.

Several things I see wrong with your build.

1. Have we decided if Conflag is worth it or not? I can't tell.

2. In it's current form, CoA is never ever better than doom, talented or not.

From TBC to Wrath, the cap is going up by 1%. This is not because of a change in the percentages involved, but because we are now allowed to gear to eliminate that last 1% miss that used to be base.

It does ensure Molten Core uptime and seems to deal decent DPS.

HAve you already tried getting Imp Life Tap instead of Soul Leech to see if its better or not? Or maybe not getting F&B to get Imp Life tap.

With the Life Tap Changes.. my life tap went down a little bit.. and i have like 220 spirit without buff.

I'm still waiting on the math on Imp regen rates before I remove Soul Leech/Imp Soul Leech.

Hmm...removing F&B might work...it *is* a horrible talent. We ought to thank Blizzard for not linking it to Chaos Bolt.

Thanahtos, the problem with F&B is the problem with a large portion of the Destro tree. It's just not good for PvE, because rotations are torture. Because of this, Conflag, Backdraft, and Imp. Immolate are unnecessary. Maybe the devs think that removing Conflag's removal of the Immolate DoT is a bit too like Everlasting Affliction. Maybe if the damage was reduced, but it re-applied the spell itself?

That just makes the improved immolate points worthless, doesn't it?

At least for me on beta, a build with emp imp/conflag/backdraft was strictly superior to a pure fire desto/demon build. Playing that perfect can easily freak you out though as you need to time useage of all your spells and especially lifetap around molten core and ISB uptime. You really do not want to waste any of that and always cast the appropiate spell.

Not if Conflag changed from dealing 579 (current top rank damage) to dealing 252 (Conflag's 579 - Base Immo nuke of 327) Plus fully casting a brand new Immo.

This gives the Burst of current Conflag or better (due to Immo talents), removes the invalidation of All Immo talents, and simplifies rotations/sequences.

In my honest opinion I wouldnt recomend a build like that for Wotlk world leveling, as my experience till 74 there isn't many kill X or gather Y type of quests, most quests about kill 1-3 mob, find item Z, or use/ride object/vehicle K. Grinding isnt optimal cause questing gives more XP, reputation and ofc rewards to Disenchant/Sell/Use if that the case.

Planning to level as this at 70 http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000 Got all the PVP goodies since Iam on a PVP server, Soullink, Nether protection and goodly Instant Shadowfury aswell having the burst tools Conflagrate/Shadowburn to kill mobs/players fast. Mana isn't a problem cause like I said before, there isn't many kill quests and will regen fast going from point A to B cause of the new Fel Armor 2% HP regen every 5secs

This build also insures that I wont be totaly gimped in damage while doing 5mans dungeons.

I'm going to use whatever's fun. Leveling's the only time I can put my stupid min/maxing face to rest and take way too many /played days to hit 80.

(But I'd go Affliction with at least Bane if I wasn't. Multiple dot kill speed plus Haunt healing is ridiculous argh mine face)

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I would suggest this for an Haunt/Bane build to start at 70 for Wrath. This has all the essentials for drain tanking. Potential modifications would be to remove UA and put a single point into Eradication. From 70-80 I would put points into Demonic Embrace, Fel Vitality, and Improved Healthstone to maximize your survivability. Pandemic is less attractive since I don't expect to have much crit while leveling, and I favor the health and Imp mana pool boost from the Demo talents over the damage bonus of Malediction.

Highlights that are going to make drain tanking in Wrath basically unstoppable for leveling include Death's Embrace, Everlasting Affliction, and the OP improvement to spell pushback. The main change from TBC drain tanking is going to be opening with Haunt instead of UA on the first of a group of mobs, for even more healing during a pull.

Change conflagrate to deal conflag's base damage + one tick of immolate and make the entire thing critable modified by ruin. Under F&B this would probably make conflag worth using in a roation even without backdraft for the +25% crit on conflagrate and a full tick of immolate.

The main DPS problem with recasting immolate is that it needs doing immediatly after using conflagrate which is also when backdraft procs. If conflag were worth using on its own, as above, then it would be possible to adjust backdraft to trigger off of immolate instead of conflagrate.

The two changes above would eliminate conflagrate's issue that it's only worth casting to proc backdraft and immolate's issue that it needs to be up and backdraft procs off an ability that removes it. The rotation really wouldn't change that much but the mechanics of conflag + immolate + backdraft would stop working against each other.

The spell pushback change is also godly, but I guess that goes for all specs too.

A question's been bugging me for a while now, and I haven't gotten a chance to test it thoroughly yet:
Does Pandemic proc rate depend on crit chance when applying a spell, or crit chance when the spell ticks?

For instance, I am doing Loatheb with 20% crit chance, and I apply Corruption before getting a spore debuff (+50% crit rate). I never let this Corruption drop. I gain the spore debuff right after I apply Corruption.
Does Pandemic proc off Corruption 20% of the time, or 70% of the time?

I would assume the latter, but if anyone knows the answer (through hard evidence), I would be further enlightened.