Warlock: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 101

molson · 08/19/09, 6:03 PM

Originally Posted by mjball

but with patch 3.2 my DPS has definitely suffered.

Are you sure about this? I know many people, myself included, have had problems with recount not showing the proper DPS, sometimes 500+ less than what is shown in their WorldofLogs reports. I haven't noticed any significant DPS loss when I check my DPS on the log, but I have noticed my recount numbers being lower in some cases. Just something to look into.

Shayo · 08/20/09, 4:52 PM

There's been a lot of questions on various forums about which gear to upgrade first with trophies from the new instance. Since the majority of the complaints about the warlock dps spreadsheet had to do with incompatibility between versions of office and/or open office, I decided to look into making a google spreadsheet to calculate dps for upgrades purely based on stats. It's available here.

DPS Gain By Spec	Robes	Shoulders	Leggings	Gloves	Hood	Total
00_13_58	63.33	43.01	50.61	50.74	67.37	275.06
03_13_55	80.18	52.52	40.24	44.61	73.74	291.29
53_00_18	60.93	46.84	57.35	56.62	68.97	290.71
03_52_16	53.87	31.20	53.98	51.50	61.02	251.57
00_56_15	77.12	49.69	45.64	50.52	74.00	296.97
00_41_30	80.11	43.61	37.09	41.67	71.09	273.57
00_40_31	57.96	28.53	51.64	49.33	62.54	250.00

These values are derived using the scaling factors from simulationcraft (referenced in the spreadsheet here).
Feel free to PM me if you have questions or corrections. I made the assumption that you can achieve hit cap through other means - that stat is not involved in these calculations.

kbooher · 08/20/09, 4:55 PM

Um yeah.. but what about engineering? Nice buff in 3.2... rockets for gloves (pvp), 320 haste for gloves (pve), which you can macro with incinerate to get a nice 10 sec rotation. Also 5sec super fast boot with crit (pvp) and many other helpful things, like mailboxes, repair bots, mechanopets, bombs (meh), and the cloak/parachute with 29sp.

anyways... I am partial to engineering, but enchanting gives the $ and I think also the extra ring sp?

Originally Posted by molson

Are you sure about this? I know many people, myself included, have had problems with recount not showing the proper DPS, sometimes 500+ less than what is shown in their WorldofLogs reports. I haven't noticed any significant DPS loss when I check my DPS on the log, but I have noticed my recount numbers being lower in some cases. Just something to look into.

Best evidence I have of this is look at total damage, and I will be 1 or 2, and then look at dps, and I'm number 3... prertty consistently in my 10 man group. 2 geared hunters usually top me on dps chart, but not overall damage.

Also, my big beef is the wait I have to cast Conflag after Immo... gotta be a bug no? just takes too long, longer than GC it seems for sure. I have even resorted to casting incinerate ..then go back to conflag, CB, incinerate rotation..

Thoughts?

• Nicarras · 08/20/09, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by kbooher

Um yeah.. but what about engineering? Nice buff in 3.2... rockets for gloves (pvp), 320 haste for gloves (pve), which you can macro with incinerate to get a nice 10 sec rotation. Also 5sec super fast boot with crit (pvp) and many other helpful things, like mailboxes, repair bots, mechanopets, bombs (meh), and the cloak/parachute with 29sp.

anyways... I am partial to engineering, but enchanting gives the $ and I think also the extra ring sp?

Search function will more than answer this. Are you looking for optimal professions? Because engineering falls in suboptimal still compared to quite a few others.

Anisoral · 08/22/09, 8:19 AM

Mainly because of the 340 haste enchant, simcraft shows a ~50 DPS increase, changing inscription to engineering. In addition you get 27sp instead of 23haste (back) and 24crit instead of 18spirit, 12hit/crit or my favorite one: 15stamina/runspeed (boots).

Packy · 08/23/09, 7:34 AM

What is the recommended Critical Strike rating for a Warlock in PVP in Destruction spec?

duffry · 08/23/09, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shayo

There's been a lot of questions on various forums about which gear to upgrade first with trophies from the new instance. Since the majority of the complaints about the warlock dps spreadsheet had to do with incompatibility between versions of office and/or open office, I decided to look into making a google spreadsheet to calculate dps for upgrades purely based on stats.

I've addressed compatability issues in the DPS spreadsheet (there are still some outstanding issues but they seem to be OpenOffice configuration problems). Backwards compatability in Excel now seems to be resolved.
I have also now added the T9 gear.

Latest version 3.2.0a:

Originally Posted by duffry

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LinXges · 08/24/09, 10:46 AM

Hi all. I have a question about T9 set. I think chest is the weakest piece, but I can't decide about head. I want to buy hat for 75 badges. But T9 chest

Trava · 08/24/09, 5:54 PM

Why would both Simcraft (r3114) and the warlock DPS spreadsheet (v3.2.0a) show that adding additional hit rating would increase my DPS when I am hit capped? Simcraft shows no misses; spreadsheet shows 17% total +hit chance.

As I understand it, hit rating simply reduces the chance of spell misses, and has no other benefit. Am I missing something fundamental about how hit rating works or is this a result of how the simulator and calculator work?

dedmonwakeen · 08/24/09, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Trava

Why would both Simcraft (r3114) and the warlock DPS spreadsheet (v3.2.0a) show that adding additional hit rating would increase my DPS when I am hit capped? Simcraft shows no misses; spreadsheet shows 17% total +hit chance.

As I understand it, hit rating simply reduces the chance of spell misses, and has no other benefit. Am I missing something fundamental about how hit rating works or is this a result of how the simulator and calculator work?

For stats with caps, SimulationCraft will use a negative delta-stat...... essentially telling you how much DPS you lose by removing a unit of Hit Rating.

mjball · 08/25/09, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by LinXges

Hi all. I have a question about T9 set. I think chest is the weakest piece, but I can't decide about head. I want to buy hat for 75 badges. But T9 chest

You clearly didn't even scroll up to see this post regarding that exact question. I don't know what spec you're looking for an answer with regard to, so I can't point you any more specifically towards the weakest piece.

Viper007Bond · 08/25/09, 10:12 PM

I have been looking but unable to find (perhaps I'm blind?) how good (or bad) the T9 set bonuses are. The stats on the T9 gear are frankly not that great (too much crit as usual) and I'd rather go with non-set badge pieces (lots of spell power and haste), but am not sure.

I'm 0/13/58, so Empowered Imp is what may make that 2 set great.

Mogwei · 08/26/09, 3:53 PM

So I got Vezax HM gloves today (finally and nobody else wanted them) and I'm wondering as a 3/13/55 spec (normally 0/13/58 until I lost the hit on the T8 gloves=\ ) whether it's worth it to break the 4pc T8 bonus and get the T9 ilvl 245 shoulders (token+triumph badge version) since I still have the 10man T8 shoulders after all this time (drops hate me). I've seen a few people here and there breaking their 4pc w/out having 2pc T9 already so was curious if it's actually worth it or not? Confused, Party of One! Stat-wise, they'd be a bigger upgrade for me than most of the other pieces until Heroic T9.

I'd use the OptiGear sim, but have not been able to get it functioning on my Mac so that's out for now until I can figure out a solution.

Neophytez · 08/27/09, 2:25 AM

So, is it worth losing the tier 8 bonus for tier 9 gear ?

noobmage · 08/27/09, 12:27 PM

I downloaded simcraft-r3178-windows.zip and I was able to use this program to simulate dps with a warlock near mine in talents tree. My problem is that I don’t understand how to make a simulation with my specific warlock. I read that probably I have to use somewhere the string “armory=eu,realm,name” but is not clear.