• dragon12

This is incorrect. Hit cap is now 100% to hit.

Stop thinking with your nuts and start thinking with the black and bitter ball of hatred buried in your chest

 

rutiene

There seems to be something off with Immolate. It doesn't land about 20% of the time and I'm at 97% hit with my destro spells.

 

Tinava

From what I've read, haste starts losing its effectiveness at 10 percent...which is ridiculously easy to reach now with the gear the way it is in game. I'm almost at that 10 percent myself, with a mix of 10-25 man naxx gear, heroic items and basic five man instance stuff.

I think you are miscalculating. According to your current armory profile, you have 8 percent hit. With suppression in affliction spells, you have 11 percent hit. You do not have the talent in destro to up your hit, so you are at 8 percent with destro spells. Hit cap is 17 percent.

 

rutiene

Did you not notice the fishing rod? I have 11% to hit in destruction (no cataclysm) and we use a moonkin who has Imp FF as well as a SPriest with Misery, both rarely die. When the moonkin/Spriest is not available, I do have a Hit set that I use. I'm always hit capped in Affliction, so I generally have +14% hit for destruction. Which calculates to 97% total

 

• dragon12

Show us a WWS - saying "my immolate misses 20% of the time" is pretty useless for providing info so we can answer your question.

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Mystearica

There's a bug atm where if you clip the last tick of immolate the spell won't refresh.

 

rutiene

I don't think it shows as a miss though. I don't get anything like that in my Combat Log when it happens. It just... doesn't refresh. I also heard someone else talk about this, so it was more of asking if there was a bug (which Mystearica answered) or common experiences, than asking if something was going on with the raid that would be causing it. I would show a WWS but our guild combat log parser randomly decided to stop recording without telling anybody. I'll be doing it personally tonight, just got LoggerHead.

And thank-you Mystearica. Looks like I have to work on not clipping Immolate.

 

◊ Melbuframa

I can confirm this. It does not show up in WWS as a miss/resist but it definitely does happen. Its really annoying when you are trying to land dots as close as you can to the end of the previous one without clipping because if you mistime it too soon by a fraction of a second you just wasted an entire cast.

 

• dragon12

I'm confused about something. I'm sure that at some point before WotLK release/during beta there was a talent that made Corruption increase its damage on every tick. Am I going mad, or did this talent really exist?

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Mystearica

They worded the tooltip for Everlasting Affliction wrong on the beta/ptr. Which is now fixed.

 

duhwhat

The talent did in fact get on to the PTR in that form, and there's a video on youtube of Corruption ticks that are, for lack of a better term, "over 9000".

 

DiamondTear

It adds two ticks in the middle, adding no dps to the spell itself. Screenshots in the glyph thread.

The blasted lands video? It was done by abusing the tier 5 set bonus if I remember correctly.

 

Keegantir

I am looking for for a equivalency points formula. From launch until a few months ago my main was a rogue and I used the real nice spreadsheet at shadowpanther.net to determine what gear was best, using a agility equivalency point formula. I have been looking for a lock one and have been unable to find one.

I have seen in a few places that 5 spell power = 4 haste, so 1 Haste = 1.25 SP. That is a start, but in every warlock spread sheet that I have found the values are different than every other one, so I am running into road blocks there.

I am just trying to find an easy gear comparison method, so I know if an item is an upgrade or not.

Thanks in advance.

 

• dragon12

Use the simulator (SimulationCraft thread in the main class forums) to derive EP values for your own set of gear. There is no currently-updated warlock spreadsheet.

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Tomed

No, I don't have Cataclysm and I shouldn't need it if I have 17% chance to hit from my gear alone.

edit: Looked through the parsed log from last night and it appears that my Immolate missed 0 times on all bosses. Must be an issue with DotTimer not displaying Immo when I refresh it.

 

Cohren

Is this a bug or working as intended?

Last night on Malygos I noticed that when I would cast Corruption before I was in a power spark(beginning of the fight) and always renewed corruption via Haunt and Everlasting Affliction that corruption would not gain the benefits from standing in a power spark(s). When I would cast Haunt while in a power spark and corruption's duration would be renewed, it would still be ticking for what it was when I first casted the corruption while not in the spark. However when I re-casted corruption while standing in the sparks my ticks would jump from their normal dmg to over 5k each.

So is this working as intended or a bug? I didn't think to test this but if I casted a Corruption while under a power spark x2, would it keep the damage increase if I renewed it via haunt while not in any power sparks, potentially keeping a power spark x2 corruption going until Phase 2? If this is the case, is that working as intended, a bug, or an exploit?

Just to clarify, here is a series of events:

Fight starts
Cast Corruption while not in a Power Spark, get normal ticks of like 1500-2k, whatever that is
Stand in Power Spark(s)
Cast Haunt, Corruption's duration is renewed, still getting normal tick damage of like 1500-2k
Cast a new Corruption while in Power Sparks, get 5k ticks

 

• Emolate

I think it will retain whatever it had when you cast it. I don't know if this means a Trinket'ed corruption will stay "Trinketed" throughout a fight if you keep refreshing it with Haunt/Drain Soul, but I have noticed that I sometimes cannot prematurely refresh Corruption due to "a more powerful spell is active" on the target. This could be due to trinket use, Demonic Pact, or any other spelldamage modifier. I am not sure where to begin to investigate this behavior.

I didn't notice this happening in post-3.x BC raids, but I see it now in my 5-mans.

If the "trinketed" Corruption kept up 100% on a target did "trinketed" damage the entire time it was ticking, that would probably suffice to determine if it was a bug/feature/works-as-designed, correct?

AKA: Sememe (Alliance Paladin: Eitrigg)

[W From] [Ollivan] we refer to that as "fail" in the community

 

Alithia

Hi guys,

a short question that may require a longer answer: What would your perfect gear look like at the moment?

 

DiamondTear

Chest: Heroic Heigan: [Heigan's Putrid Vestments] | T7: [Valorous Plagueheart Robe]
Feet: Heroic Loatheb: [Boots of Impetuous Ideals]
Hands: T7: [Valorous Plagueheart Gloves]
Head: T7: [Valorous Plagueheart Circlet]
Legs: T7: [Valorous Plagueheart Leggings] | Heroic Malygos: [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster]
Shoulder: T7: [Valorous Plagueheart Shoulderpads]
Waist: Heroic Thaddius: [Cincture of Polarity]
Wrist: Heroic Naxxramas: [Bindings of the Expansive Mind]
Cloak: Heroic KT: [Cape of the Unworthy Wizard]
Mainhand: Heroic Kel'Thuzad: [The Turning Tide]
Offhand: Heroic Naxxramas: [Surplus Limb]
Wand: Heroic Anub'Rekhan: [Gemmed Wand of the Nerubians]
Neck: Malygos 10/25-man key-quest: [Chain of the Ancient Wyrm] | [Wyrmrest Necklace of Power]
Ring: Heroic KT: [Signet of Manifested Pain] | Gothik (either): [Signet of the Malevolent]
Trinket: Naxxramas: [Embrace of the Spider] or (depending on hit and haste) [Dying Curse] | Heroic Sartharion: [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]

 

Alithia

Thank you very much,

at least I already have 2 items from that list. How would you rate the Sapphiron heroic trinket (Extract) against Embrace of the spider?

 

◊ Melbuframa

While I agree with most of that isn’t the chest from 10 man Malygos better then the Heigan one? I can’t link items as I’m at work, but IIRC its basically the same chest with more stats in all areas. Also there is a neck from the Heroic turnin from Saphs head drop.

Alithia Extract is an amazing trinket if you play as Affliction; Embrace is prob better as Destro/Demo where you are nuke casting more often and the benefit of haste is higher.

 

rutiene

[Gown of the Spell-Weaver] from Malygcos is definitely better than either of those pieces. But since the T7 4piece is essentially a +90SP flat increase if you tap smart and out of the 5 possible T7 pieces only two of the T7 pieces are greatly outdone by other none tier pieces, its probably smarter to just trade one of them for the better pieces and keep your 4piece. Personally I find that out of those two pieces, the difference between the tier legs and non tier legs is greater than the difference between the tier chest and non tier chest.

 

DiamondTear

I disagree with [Gown of the Spell-Weaver] being better than [Heigan's Putrid Vestments]. Haste is better than crit, the socket bonus is much better (remember you need at least one blue gem for the spellpower meta anyway). If you are sorely lacking hit, [Gown of the Spell-Weaver] might be better, but if you're not, it's at best very close for an affliction lock in my opinion.

Of course you're right about the heroic quest-neck from killing Malygos being better.

 

Tinava

It just comes down to what you need most at the time out of your gear. Sockets can be customized, you don't absolutely have to get all socket bonuses. If you are high haste, the crit would be preferred, I would think.

 

rutiene

If you're geming for that socket bonus, you're doing something wrong. Blue gems are terribad. The best meta when considering gem bonuses and the lack of threat ceiling (if you have a good tank) is the [Ember Skyflare Diamond] which requires 3 red gems.

However, I was looking through gear and took a note of these beauties: [Gloves of Grandeur] Could it be that it is like T4 all over again? T7 set bonuses not being worth the horrible pieces for Affliction locks? Although it is interesting to note that hit cap seems a lot easier to hit, so perhaps all this hit gear isn't really worth much in the end. What would be the most efficient way to gain hit cap?

Just some food for thought. (and discussion)