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Old 11/27/08, 2:56 AM   #181
Lominen
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Orc Warlock
 
Kazzak (EU)
Originally Posted by Byram View Post
Just as a heads up to anyone who's been having trouble with this, you have to CAST drain soul below 25%, casting it before and having it channel into 25% will not make it tick harder.
Speaking of which, has anyone found any feedback regarding this, if its a bug or intended?

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Old 11/27/08, 10:29 AM   #182
Wuff
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Undead Warlock
 
Antonidas (EU)
Originally Posted by Lominen View Post
Speaking of which, has anyone found any feedback regarding this, if its a bug or intended?
I'm not sure if this mechanic is intended, but another drain soul bug sure is not. Testing on target dummies, Drain Soul only ticks 4 times during 15 seconds sometimes. If this happens on Bosses too it is a significant dps loss for affliction warlocks who don't cancel their drains early. This bug happens with and without spellhaste (so it seems to be different from the old mind flay bugs).

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Old 11/27/08, 2:45 PM   #183
Lillyanne
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Human Warlock
 
Earthen Ring
With the 41/30 Felguard/Emberstorm build.

Given the 10% proc form MC and Emberstorm's tooltip. Should we be spamming shadowbotls or incinerates? Thanks in advance.

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Old 11/27/08, 10:41 PM   #184
Byram
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Orc Warlock
 
Perenolde
Originally Posted by dragon12 View Post
I'm very suspicious of simulationcraft's valuations of stats at the moment. For Haunt it values +hit more than +spelldamage; with the ratings having decayed so much since 70 this seems very odd.
Like someone else said, spell power has gone up so much that if you miss a spell, it's costing you much more in damage lost. So even though ratings have decayed, they haven't decayed THAT much.

Also, it probably values +hit on Haunt so much because if you miss a Haunt, you not only lose that cast's damage, but also you lose that 20% buff to all of your current dots for ~9.5 seconds.

Originally Posted by Tomed View Post
edit: One more question, is it worth more for me to cast CoA in a 10-man raid or to cast CotE if I'm the only lock?
If there's an Unholy DK or a Moonkin in the raid, there's no need to cast CoE. They have talents (that they ALL take) that cover the same cause, up to 13% so Malediction also won't merit using the curse.

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Old 11/27/08, 10:45 PM   #185
Tomed
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Orc Warlock
 
Bloodscalp
Originally Posted by Byram View Post
If there's an Unholy DK or a Moonkin in the raid, there's no need to cast CoE. They have talents (that they ALL take) that cover the same cause, up to 13% so Malediction also won't merit using the curse.
Fair enough but, say, if there's only myself and a Mage in a 10-man Naxx doing magic damage would I benefit the raid more from my CoA damage or from CotE?

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Old 11/28/08, 1:35 AM   #186
Splot
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Night Elf Druid
 
Saurfang
Originally Posted by Lillyanne View Post
With the 41/30 Felguard/Emberstorm build.

Given the 10% proc form MC and Emberstorm's tooltip. Should we be spamming shadowbotls or incinerates? Thanks in advance.
The priority would be CoA>Corr>Immo>Incin and SB would be missing. This would also mean using the CoA, Immo and Felguard glyphs. I'll create a priority flow for fire demo and put it in the demo thread.

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Old 11/28/08, 2:47 AM   #187
Robdopmwop
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Gnome Warlock
 
Trollbane (EU)
Is it possible that Shadow Embrace is bugged , that when you use 2 affliction locks only 1 gets SE ? Or were our debuff slots just plainley filled and it got knocked off?
I was with another affliction warlock yesterday, but on alot of fight's i noticed my SE wasn't up and didn't get up.
A third possibility is that it is just working as intented, which would make me feel ashamed desciding to go posting this early.

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Old 11/28/08, 3:25 AM   #188
 dragon12
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Greenilocks
Gnome Warlock
 
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Originally Posted by Robdopmwop View Post
Is it possible that Shadow Embrace is bugged , that when you use 2 affliction locks only 1 gets SE ? Or were our debuff slots just plainley filled and it got knocked off?
I was with another affliction warlock yesterday, but on alot of fight's i noticed my SE wasn't up and didn't get up.
A third possibility is that it is just working as intented, which would make me feel ashamed desciding to go posting this early.
Definitely only one stack of SE can be up at a time - no hard evidence, but I didn't notice any damage loss when it was the other lock that got it up first.

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Old 11/28/08, 3:26 AM   #189
Batuk
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Orc Warlock
 
Outland (EU)
Originally Posted by Robdopmwop View Post
Is it possible that Shadow Embrace is bugged , that when you use 2 affliction locks only 1 gets SE ? Or were our debuff slots just plainley filled and it got knocked off?
I was with another affliction warlock yesterday, but on alot of fight's i noticed my SE wasn't up and didn't get up.
A third possibility is that it is just working as intented, which would make me feel ashamed desciding to go posting this early.
We were defenatly debuff capped. Saw 40 slots and that's when it kept happening. And not only will it be dropping my dmg, but also anyone with weak dots that I push off.

Driving me nuts, trying to find a destro spec that'll work now, already written off felguard as useless due to the many fights it's impossible to keep it up without fel siphon, which we can't take without making the spec unviable.

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Old 11/28/08, 5:51 AM   #190
Robdopmwop
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Gnome Warlock
 
Trollbane (EU)
Originally Posted by Batuk View Post
We were defenatly debuff capped. Saw 40 slots and that's when it kept happening. And not only will it be dropping my dmg, but also anyone with weak dots that I push off.

Driving me nuts, trying to find a destro spec that'll work now, already written off felguard as useless due to the many fights it's impossible to keep it up without fel siphon, which we can't take without making the spec unviable.
Well the funny thing is it was _only_ SE which wasn't on, the rest stayed on. The reply from dragon makes a bit more sense in this case, i was a bit afraid that was the case.
Can anyone confirm only one instance of SE can be up?
Also, can anyone confirm that my damage won't be nerfed if I don't have it up?
This is because the tooltip says : increase all periodic damage dealt to the target by _YOU_ and thus i read it , that if the other warlock has SE up , i don't profit from it.

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Old 11/28/08, 2:37 PM   #191
Azamoth
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Orc Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Nicarras View Post
Enchanting does, tailoring still has nice leg enchants, but not really worth keeping Tailoring atm (although I have yet to drop it). The reason being that you can still get the leg enchants and not be a tailor, they just require more mats. I'm debating JC though. Being a scribe gets you the best shoulder enchants in the game and lets you avoid the SoH rep grind. Alch is nice, but I cant really see Mixology working out to be that great over things like JC/LW/BS.
I've tested Flask of the Frost Wyrm with Mixology and I get +37 extra spell power vs. what a non-alchemist would get from the same flask. This is comparable to the buffs Leather Working, Enchanting, Inscription, and Blacksmithing give (either +37 or +38 spell power vs. what a character w/o those professions can get).

Note that you have to use a flask that you made yourself to get the bonuses from Mixology.

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Old 11/28/08, 4:37 PM   #192
DiamondTear
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Lightning's Blade (EU)
Originally Posted by Tomed View Post
What's kind of DPS should I be working towards on fights like Patchwerk in both 10-man and 25-man encounters? I'm currently hovering somewhere around 3500 with a standard Affliction build in 10-man Naxx but I've seen some WWS parses with locks hovering around 5k DPS.
DPS scales with gear very fast, I did 600 dps more than last week after all the upgrades I got.

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Old 11/28/08, 5:02 PM   #193
Jangro
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Human Warlock
 
Darkmoon Faire (EU)
Originally Posted by Robdopmwop View Post
Well the funny thing is it was _only_ SE which wasn't on, the rest stayed on. The reply from dragon makes a bit more sense in this case, i was a bit afraid that was the case.
Can anyone confirm only one instance of SE can be up?
Also, can anyone confirm that my damage won't be nerfed if I don't have it up?
This is because the tooltip says : increase all periodic damage dealt to the target by _YOU_ and thus i read it , that if the other warlock has SE up , i don't profit from it.
I was in a heroic yesterday with another affliction lock and my own Shadow Embrace would not apply if he put it up first and vice versa. It's definitely not one of our myriad debuff cap issues. We can refresh their Shadow Embrace though I'm not sure if we gain any benefit from it.

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Old 11/28/08, 8:33 PM   #194
PSGarak
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Undead Warlock
 
Hyjal
Originally Posted by turturin View Post
Actually, no one knows what the itemization formula is or what the relationship is between points for each stat. We have educated guesses. These are available on wowwiki, and yes, I've looked at it. I can't find it, but Ghostcrawler said in a recent blue post that their itemization formula was one thing they would definitely never disclose. We also have no reason to say we know that it hasn't changed from TBC.
Ok, I understand what you're trying to say now. I highly disagree.

The points formula was back-engineered by fitting *every* item in the game up to that point to a generalized curve fit, and aside from an item or two that was latter found to be over/under-budgeted and corrected by blizzard, has generally been accurate to within one ilvl on every item I've ever heard of (accounting for the TBC stam revaluation). "Educated guess" is not an accurate description.

It is fact that one rating of any type costs the same as any other rating. This isn't even a result of the itemization formula, although it agrees with that; there's a slide from the first blizzcon's item panel describing how they make items, and it gives a cost equivalence of hit to dodge (or something), in the exact ratios that those ratings later converted (8 to 12). One rating and one (non-stamina) stat point are equivalent. Considering how accurate the ilvl postdiction formula is, they're just too damn close for there to be any reasonable explanation other than exact equality. In addition, there is absolutely no reason for them to value ratings different when they could simply change the conversion formulas instead. It keeps item comparisons intuitive for casual players, item designers, and number-crunching. Besides, as has been pointed out, if the ratings had broken equality, you would have noticed it in the gems.

I'm looking over your posts, I'm looking over your examples, and I don't see any reason to believe that this is not behaving the way in which it used to. No offense intended, but unless you can provide some counterexamples of items that don't seem to fit with the budget formula, I'm going to have to file this under "Ony deep breaths more."


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Old 11/28/08, 8:37 PM   #195
dvx24
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Undead Warlock
 
Garithos
Why do most locks from top guilds use 0/20/51, is it the best spec for dps? If it is, which rotation do you think they are using?

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