the actual buff can be seen here.

imp ISB applies the shadow mastery buff to the mob, which states:
"Shadow damage dealt increased by 10% from non-periodic spells."

if this is wrong, it wouldn't be surprising as that spell's actual debuff and tooltip have been conflicting for a long time now.

shouldn't the 20% on your five different DoTs be factored in anyway? not only because in a lot of cases that 20% represents 200+ damage, but also because that 20% factors into how much your UA and Corruption are going to "crit" for. while yes i'm not going to break a shadow bolt cast to reapply it when it has 4 seconds left, but if for some mental lapse i am casting shadow bolt when Haunt has 2 seconds left, i will break the SB cast and reapply Haunt. of course, best case scenario means you will be reapplying Haunt as closely to it's falling off as possible without sacrificing a single shadow bolt (or DoT tick) - but this, you're right, just comes with playing the spec in a raiding environment for a while.


i reasoned this out after spending some time with Dr. Boom and with the slightly broken test dummies. even in deep affliction, my immolate DoT ticks for more than my siphon life does - about a 100 damage more - and the glyph of immolate increases that immolate DoT by 20%. i just don't see how the siphon life glyph can compare unless it's simply for health regen, or the fact that SL is much easier to get off on the fly.

i wouldn't say Suppression without Cataclysm is worthless in 70 gear, just because getting a resist/miss on a DoT application would be bad for my rotation - and while getting a resist/miss on a shadow bolt would be much more tragic, i'm really feeling like imp ISB and 5/5 ruin are worth it. when i'm hit capped at 80 though, i will most likely move points from suppression and fel conc to soul siphon and imp drain soul.

I was jsut recalling what I had heared. I know the wording of the buff, but people had done testing on the beta servers. I have not gotten to doing those on live, too much stuff to take care of. Either way, none of the two possibilities would really surprise me.



I think that has been answered above. You NEVER EVER want to interrupt a cast. If you made a mistake and started casting Shadowbolt instead of Haunt, finish it. If you do not make mistakes, you will not have to interrupt casts. Either way, it must be a major mistake if all 5 DoTs would have a tick in that gap. Just do not let it happen.


this might actually make sense, though Immolate is the spell you want to cut off first if you have trouble with debuff slots / rotations. I don't know the exact coefficients after the buff, someone might have to do the math. The Glyph of Corruption does not look that well either.



Well, it's not worthless, just worth much less, as you are accepting a potential 3% miss on all Destruction spells (which counts for Immolate too). Either put points in both or none, going deep into one does not make too much sense to me (don't forget about 40-50% of your DPS will be coming from Destruction). Furthermore, getting hit rating is not that hard. There are lots of questrewards and drops with tons of hit on them (i.e. an on-use trinket with 55 hit rating passive). My current spec is the following: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...h=030417000000
Using food with hit rating is actually not bad either in terms of reaching the hit cap.

I am considering using this spec http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...h=030417000000
with the hit talents in both. On bosses without spell pushbacks, fel concentration is not needed and I mentioned aggro reduce above. Dark Pact is not needed necessarily, with a Discipline Priest Dark Pact und Life Tap draw even for me.

Cataclysm gives a mana cost reduction to destruction spells which may be the only reason to take it at end game for any class. Supression doesn't offer the same benefit and once hit capped (for soulshatter) locks will drop it from their builds. For demo locks I'm not sure the hit rating benefit from the talent would flow through to pets and only the cost reduction should be considered worth while.

I think you'll still see a lot of locks gear swapping and food buff swapping for bosses for quite a while to come in level 80 raiding.

Edit:
Checked my facts after reading a following post and suppression does dp 2% mana reduction per point and would be worth while for that purpose. I sill think that soulshatter will force hard hit capping.

Suppression lowers mana cost of affliction spells by 2% per point. Also swapping out 3% hit for non-hit items is probably still a good investment of talents compared to picking up stray points in Eradication or other non-DPS talents.

From what I've been reading and from gearing myself up, its looking like I want to hit 14+% hit, then to gear myself with items that have spirit+Crit/Haste/Dmg etc. As a stat spirit actualy gives us quite a bit of utility. Decreased downtime from casts, increases our +dmg. All in all its really not a bad stat.

So here is my question. 10% less mana cost on Sbolt or 20% increased Damage from my siphon life glyph. Which has a greater impact on increasing my DPS? I would assume with high spirit from gear and the bonus from the T7 that mana should become nearly a null issue.

Hi all,
I've seen a few mentions of this, but never really read anything that was definitive.
Should I hold onto all of my level 70 raiding gear, to fill any hit% gaps at 80? Right now they
aren't needed for leveling, so most of my +hit is now sitting in my bank, as I stockpile +dmg...

Thanks..

To anyone who's done Gothik the Harvester as affliction: is there any way to not feel useless? Every time I get going on something, it's mostly dead anyway.

Or you could put it right on the line of the door and then port between sides to help out each one. For Gothik I was fearing mobs off the healers, that got though and then just spamming Corr and hoping for some NF procs. Also still casting Haunt on CD. Your dots do keep ticking when he switches sides though so make sure that you get all your dots refreshed before he ports over.

Nice, didnt even think of that, so if you step just a little to either side it pops you through? Or in the middle provides you LoS on both?

Another question, 25% hits. All the dots are up DS goes off. Do I break the DS to refresh the dots or do i hold the DS to completion then refresh them?

Keep it and compare stats the way you would any item. Hit rating is now worth less than half of what it was before - but some of the late BT and SWP gear will still be good until you get a Heroic/Raid upgrade.

Back when my guild was in SSC we had up to 3 affliction locks in raid and fairly often dots would get knocked off due to the 40 debuff limit. When we were 2/3 thru BT I finally gave up on affliction and went SB spamming spec for greater dps. This spec worked fine all the way thru until 3.0.2 (which we had KJ on farm from about 2-3 months prior).

1. Now I am back to considering affliction for raiding again. For 10 mans I see it working fine as there won't be 40 debuffs on the mob. But --- for a 25 man raid won't our dots just get pushed off like before killing our dps?

2. Anyone have a WWS from live for 10 or 25 mans (just curious where locks are sitting now)