Warlock: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 50

Livion · 02/04/09, 12:42 PM

Got some questions:

-Is it worth the money to level jewelcrafting or any other profession from zero?
-when I use my imp, why isn't bloodpact always up?
-Since you can no longer target malygos between the second and third fase, can you jump down of your dragon and apply the coe?
-on fights like malygos with the sparks do you keep dpsing malygos or do you switch to the sparks and loose dps?

Zaleiria · 02/04/09, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by Livion

Got some questions:

-Is it worth the money to level jewelcrafting or any other profession from zero?
-when I use my imp, why isn't bloodpact always up?
-Since you can no longer target malygos between the second and third fase, can you jump down of your dragon and apply the coe?
-on fights like malygos with the sparks do you keep dpsing malygos or do you switch to the sparks and loose dps?

- Jewelcrafting currently gives a very large benefit, but leveling JC is not cheap (although probably not as bad as it used to be). The benefit will go down when epic gems are released, and other professions might get some new items, so I wouldn't pick it just because it's the current flavor of the month. It's a good profession, but other professions are decent too.
- Commanding Shout
- Dunno, it's been suggested here before, but I don't think anyone has tried it, since you'd be killing yourself.
- We typically assign a specific group to take care of sparks, so that the positioning can be more easily controlled and so that the "never even got a cast off" syndrome doesn't happen.

Faldrath · 02/04/09, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Livion

Got some questions:

-Is it worth the money to level jewelcrafting or any other profession from zero?
-when I use my imp, why isn't bloodpact always up?
-Since you can no longer target malygos between the second and third fase, can you jump down of your dragon and apply the coe?
-on fights like malygos with the sparks do you keep dpsing malygos or do you switch to the sparks and loose dps?

Er, some of the questions should have been asked somewhere else, but to address the specific warlock ones: blood pact can be overridden by Commanding Shout (or people can run out of range of the imp), and yes, you can suicide and cast CoE in Malygos phase 3 - wait for him to become targetable, fly above him, dismount and cast while falling - although I haven't tested to see whether CoE actually benefits the drakes' attacks.

oresteez · 02/04/09, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by Livion

Got some questions:

-Is it worth the money to level jewelcrafting or any other profession from zero?
-when I use my imp, why isn't bloodpact always up?
-Since you can no longer target malygos between the second and third fase, can you jump down of your dragon and apply the coe?
-on fights like malygos with the sparks do you keep dpsing malygos or do you switch to the sparks and loose dps?

1. Depends on what your current professions are. Are you going to lose something substantial by switching? If you have nothing, than it's probably worth it, because it's a DPS increase that mostly everyone else is taking advantage of. You don't want to fall too far behind!

2. The warriors have a shout that increases hit points by a bigger margin that our blood pact, and they don't stack.

3. I've seen people talk about trying this. However, I haven't heard of many people trying this--I don't think anyone wants to kill themself to find out.

4. I think this one depends on the skill/attention level of the rest of your raid. If the raid knows the battle, and can be trusted to get the job down (pull the spark to the group and bring it down), then sometimes I won't assist. However there's going to be times where you have a lot of new people and they just don't 'get it'. You have to bite the bullet and take that spark down.

Faldrath · 02/04/09, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by oresteez

3. I've seen people talk about trying this. However, I haven't heard of many people trying this--I don't think anyone wants to kill themself to find out.

Actually, assuming CoE works, a 10% or 13% buff to damage in p3 is very likely to be much more than what you can output yourself (unless you're among the very best at keeping stacks up in your raid, and even so it might be debatable), and might make or break a 6-min achievement run. I'll see if I can test it tonight.

Trickykid · 02/04/09, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by Zexion

But with this testing, it would seem the clipping came from the cast time being reduced (to 0.89 seconds, or in all praticality, any reduction), but the GCD stays at the hasted value, ie 1.27 seconds, creating a 0.28 second gap of GCD, which is the source of this clipping.

Am I correct in that assumption? If not, it would seem to me blizzard made no changes at all.

Originally Posted by hbalsack

my ingame experience has been that with Heroism, and backdraft and my 500 or so haste, Immolate was being cast at .7sec and that the GCD was also reduced to .7sec. This is in game raiding, and was shown on my Quarts timer as such.

I never felt (or noticed) as though i had to wait for the GCD to reach 1sec before my next cast. In my experience Backdraft did reduce the GCD below 1sec.

Zexion, you are correct (Akj also posted the similar story up a bit the page). GCD was not lowered beyond it's hasted value even if backdraft reduced the cast time.

Hbal, your anecdotal experiences directly oppose the findings in the post immediately before yours. Human minds will notice whatever they want, let the computers do the ... computing. Best to keep this topic clear in a question/answer thread.

dedmonwakeen · 02/04/09, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by meatskull

Can anyone tell me specifically if, when adding stats to raid_80.txt in simcraft:

Those are the default values, and I'm wondering if the spellpower and/or fire/spell stone buffed stats are to be included here or set/activated elsewhere.

Just incase that is confusing, do I put "default_spell_power=" to 2000, or 2400(sp with felarmor). Likewise with crit or haste depending which stone I am testing? thx.

The default_xxx and gear_xxx values should be used to specify the contribution from gear ONLY. No talents, abilities, consumables, or abilities should be included.

hbalsack · 02/04/09, 5:08 PM

Originally Posted by Trickykid

Zexion, you are correct (Akj also posted the similar story up a bit the page). GCD was not lowered beyond it's hasted value even if backdraft reduced the cast time.

Hbal, your anecdotal experiences directly oppose the findings in the post immediately before yours. Human minds will notice whatever they want, let the computers do the ... computing. Best to keep this topic clear in a question/answer thread.

I respectfully withdraw my comment. I was posting an observation at the exact same time Zexion was posting his tests, and had i read his post prior to hitting submit I would have pulled it. I will edit it now.

I gotta work on my timing if i can't notice a .3 sec difference

Aeji · 02/04/09, 11:44 PM

-Since you can no longer target malygos between the second and third fase, can you jump down of your dragon and apply the coe?

Yes, you can dismount once Malygos becomes targetable and apply CoE. And yes it is worth the sacrifice of the Warlock who does it assuming the rest of your raid is alive going into P3.

Opposite · 02/05/09, 3:41 AM

I have read pretty much in order to understand my class and what I should be aiming for in terms of gear, spec and gameplay but now I'm faced with a dilemma.

I already have the bonus from 4 tier 7 pieces (Head and Legs T7.5, Chest and Shoulders T7) and yesterday, I got the chance to grab the T7 gloves Heroes' Plagueheart Gloves in order to finally replace my Overlook Handguards.

Although I wasn't very sure that I really need them, no one else needed them so I took them. I exchanged the token, put a Runed Scarlet Ruby in the slot as usual, enchanted them with Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower than proceeded to wowhead to be jusre that I did the right choice. And here's what wowhead tells me while comparing the items with a weighted scale for an affliction warlock which I am.

Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft

I have also check maxdps.com which gives a superior score to the T7 golves and I tend to agree with maxdps.

So for a final answer I came here to ask you:

Is really 1 spell power + 38 crit rating + 48 haste rating (from the gemmed T7 gloves) less that 66 spirit (from Overlook Handguards)?!

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Later edit: Leulier's DPS spreadsheet gives a +14 DPS boost in favour of the T7 gloves if they are gemmed with a runed scarlet ruby.

Zexion · 02/05/09, 6:55 AM

Really depends on your spec. From the perspective of a fully raidbuffed mainly ilvl 213 deep destro lock, leulier's give me the following conversion from ratings and spirit to spellpower (approximately):

5 crit = 2 SP (or 0.43 crit = 1 SP
10 haste = 9 SP (or 0.88 haste = 1 SP)
5 spirit = 2 SP (or 0.39 spirit = 1 SP)

So, your extra stats on t7 gloves, assuming you don't break the set bonus, should give the equivalent of
1+38*0.43+48*0.88 = 59.64 SP
And the overlook handguards:
66*0.39 = 25.74 SP

So yeah. Never trust MaxDPS :P Generally a very bad site if you ask me.
We can even include the crit from the 7 int:
100 int = 12 SP (or 0.12 int = 1 SP)

That would add 7*0.12 to the score for overlook, making it 26.57

So yeah, away with the old gloves, and in comes the new

However, even in the case that you are affli, it would still be better with t7. Spirit is less worth due to the lack of imp. fel armor. SP is worth a bit more than in destro, crit and haste a bit less. But would still be the same conclusion, only a smaller disparity between the items.

Opposite · 02/05/09, 7:30 AM

First of all, I forgot about my spec: it's affliction 55/0/16 so maybe I tend to value spirit a bit more since I don't have Dark Pact and the Life Tap bonus is quite something. Second of all, MaxDPS was on my side on this while wowhead.com wasn't so imagine my surprise to find out that the weight scale for warlocks that wowhead had was/is wrong.

Spirit is less worth due to the lack of imp. fel armor With the risk of sounding noobish...what is imp fel armor?

Thanks for your answer!

oresteez · 02/05/09, 9:59 AM

Originally Posted by
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Spirit is less worth due to the lack of imp. fel armor[/i] With the risk of sounding noobish...what is imp fel armor?

Thanks for your answer!

He's probably referring to the lack of the Demonology talent: Demonic Aegis.

It turns 39% (i think) of your spirit into spell power, rather than the usual 30%

Ektoplasme · 02/05/09, 10:54 AM

I have a simple question for you guys. Is Seed of Corruption always better than Rain of Fire for AoE ?

I don't have a warlock but I'm the raid leader and keep saying to my warlocks to use Seed of Corruption when there are 3 or more mobs because I'm pretty sure it's far better than Rain of fire.

But one of them tells me: I don't use Seed of Corruption because I don't want to risk to pull extra mobs (he told me about a problem where Seed of Corruption would ignore Lign of Sight but I thought it had been fixed a long time ago)
The other one is telling me Rain of Fire is better because his spec is destruction... (yes I know my warlocks suck :'( )

I'm pretty sure Seed of Corruption is just better than anything else no matter what spec you are and that you don't risk any bad pull with it. But I don't have a warlock and everytime I ask them to use Seed of Corruption I get a "You don't play a warlock, you don't know the class, don't teach us how to play....". I may not know warlocks well but I know math. What should I tell them?

Thanks in advance.

krilz · 02/05/09, 11:17 AM

Seed of Corruption is hands down the best AE we have but on trash pulls Rain of Fire is probably more worthwhile since most pulls are dead before we get one or two seeds off.