Flying V

High dps and high damage output should usually be correlated. If you are consistently putting out high dps, but your damage output is low, then you're doing something wrong. This could be from too much time spent running around to position, or time spent incapacitated from a bosses abilities such as ice blocks during Hodir.

The short answer is that your damage output is more important. No matter how high your dps is, if you aren't doing it consistently enough to have high damage output then you aren't contributing to the kill any more than someone with lower dps and similar damage output.

 

Venomex

Question: Can someone explain, or perhaps point me in the direction, what the mechanics behind Felhunter Devour Magic in regards to PVE encounters.

Example: Using a felhunter to dispel/devour Fusion Punch on Council.

Is it because devour is an ability and not a spell? are there two different rule sets for abilities and dispels I am missing. It seems to me that if a healer can dispel it without missing, shouldn't a felhunter.

As always, thanks for the responses!

 

tkdrizzt99

Where did the link go for the BiS item set for T8 equivalent warlocks? I know it is on here somewhere I have looked at it but for whatever reason I can't seem to find it now.

 

mHaith

If you askin bout using felhunter on Council I could tell you for sure - YES, it's possible to dispell Fusion Punch with your pet. You have to devour it from Steelbreaker's tank right after Steelbreaker casts it. In our guild I always dispell it with my pet (affli PvE spec) if tank isn't paladin (otherwise paladin have to dispell it himself).
You could write a macro
,
where 'tank' is nick of player tanking Steelbreaker
BUT if you r gonna make 'I choose you, Steelbreaker' you have to change this macro for something like that
.
Right before pool you have to /focus 1st tank; when 2nd tank taunts Steelbreaker, you have to /focus him. It's pretty easy and comfortable macro for me.
I heard bout variant with using
.
In this case all you have to do after Runemaster and Brundir died is to have Steelbreaker as your target - I don't think it's hard. But I don't use it because 1) you have to use 2 macro or targetting steelbreaker when he uses Fusion Punch; 2) sometimes Steelbreaker changes target (he casts something I don't remember exactly).

More advices:
1. After pool target Steelbreaker and order Felhunter to attack him - Felhunter have to be near tank, otherwise you will see caption 'Out of range' and fail to dispell punch right in time.
2. Don't forget about your Curse of Tongues - cast it on Brundir every 30 seconds. It will slow his lighting (2.0 -> 2.6 sec); you can imagine how more mana you could save for your healers.
3. Start to spam macro when Steelbreaker starts cast - in ideal you have to prevent his spell make even single tick.

Hope my advices will be useful for you.

 

Flying V

Here's the BiS 14% Hit item set for 0/13/58:

chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

 

robmoss2k

I don't believe any list of best in slot gear would exclude a Starwatcher's Binding or a Cosmos from 25-man Algalon. I would suggest that Algalon's Pharos Gloves are better than Vezax's hard mode gloves. Furthermore, I would be tempted to replace the Ignis ring with a Shimmering Seal.

 

Cangiz

A little 3.2 question.

Will the doubling of the duration of "Glyph of Life Tap," warrant its use over glyph of immolate in a 0/13/58 rotation?

 

Demi9OD

It very well may, but I'd wait on an updated Simcraft build before drawing conclusions. While the F&B nerf does lower the effectiveness of the Incinerate glyph, Incinerate also stands to gain more from Empowered Imp than Immolate/Conflag. I do believe if we are to remove a glyph for Life Tap, Immolate will still be the better option.

 

noobmage

i don't understand from simulationcraft if i have to use life tap every 20 seconds or only when i finish mana.

My talents: 3/13/55. I have the bonus gear from 4/5 t 7,5.

I use glyph of life tap, glyph of conflagrate, glyph of incinerate that, if i have understood well, seems are the better choice for my talents.


Rotation i use: curse od doom, life tap, immolate , conflagrate, chaos bolt, incenerate (usually x 3 times and after as a filler)...... and after? Usually after i only try to cast immolate when finished and conflagrate as soon as possible.


in "pve raiding compendium" is written to use life tap every 20 sec but is written also to use the glyph of immolate (??? may be it has to be updated? ) so i am a bit confused.

 

FalseMyrmidon

Life Tap every 20 seconds to keep the buff up. If you're running out of mana you obviously need to tap multiple times.

 

• Heeno

This is not true, see relevant post on this subject: SimulationCraft for Warlocks (3.3 numbers).

 

Orgath

As Algalon requires Hard-Mode equiped Raids, it is feasable to exclude Algalon loot from lists.
Of course, one could rename it to "Gear to shoot for before thinking about Algalon" instead of BiS but GtsfbtaA is just a tad long.

for a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest - Simon & Garfunkel

 

robmoss2k

I don't agree at all. That's a bit like going back to 70 before the M'uru nerf and saying "as Kil'jaeden requires killing M'uru, it is feasible to exclude Kil'jaeden loot from lists, although we can keep the M'uru loot on there."

If you've killed Firefighter, you're more than capable of killing Algalon in your current gear with a little practice. Either you exclude both Firefighter loot and Algalon loot (and thus there goes your main hand weapon, the very cornerstone of the loot set, and a ring) or you include everything.

 

Orgath

Go ahead..
And this is the thread to post your results.

Supplicium has requested to send him stuff via PM as well to keep the compendium up to date.

for a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest - Simon & Garfunkel

 

Naoe

As deep destruction threat is very high, Destructive Reach 2/2 is needed on some fights. What talent do you drop to get it? The candidates are either Backlash or Demonic Power, has anyone run any simulations on this to confirm which would be a lesser dps loss?

 

Demi9OD

You want to drop points from Backlash first. Demonic Power was not even considered in these calculations. It is much better per point and leads to more Empowered Imp procs as well.

SimulationCraft for Warlocks (3.3 numbers)

 

Flying V

The 3/13/55 spec passes up ISL in order to get the 3% hit from suppression, meaning that Life Tap will be used much more frequently. With the buff to the Life Tap glyph then you will still want to use it as one of the main glyphs for the spec.

 

Ducka

I have a question reguarding the priority rules of 13/58

I seem to always have a point every once and a while where if I cast CB as soon as it comes off of cd, it would hit right after immolate ends. So usually Ill cast an immolate (sometimes it clips the last tick) and then cast the CB. Is this hurting my dps, should I just cast it even if it won't hit when immolate is up? Or should I even wait to not clip immolate, and then use CD (it would have been off of cd for a few seconds at that point).

 

Madkappa

As long as the cast of Chaos Bolt goes off while Immolate is still on the target, it will get the bonus damage.

I see. I'd been under the impression that 3/13/55 still had ISL. Apologies.

 

noobmage

As Flying V wrote I've the classic 3/13/55 with no isl.

So the problem is not glyph of life tap (and glyph of conflagrate) but the choice between glyph of immolate or glyph of incenerate.

This is a problem because in the post about "glyph choice" and the post about "PVE Raiding Compendium V3.1" there are the two different glyph choises about talents 3/13/55.

 

pfooti

Generally speaking, the incinerate glyph bumps your DPS more than the immolate glyph. You can figure out for yourself, though, by looking at a WWS log over a reasonably-long fight. Does 5% of your overall incinerate compare to 10% of immolate/conflag? Generally, no, but YMMV.

 

Demi9OD

Mariwocket, remember that the Immolate glyph is only an 8% boost to Conflag damage.

 

teddypicker

in phase two of thorim hard mode, should you resummon your imp or just leave it. still unsure what would be more beneficial

 

Demi9OD

There is no reason to lose your Imp between phases. After you fall off the ledge just spam pet attack/passive and he will teleport to your side. I am personally running 14/57 with Soul Link for the hard modes we're working on and I find the Imp invaluable in cushioning the large spike damage.

 

duhwhat

I find that a single petfollow will teleport the imp to your side if done in the following manner: on the run up to Thorim on the balcony, start your pet attacking, get a Corruption or CoD on Thorim, teleport down, and issue a single petfollow command, and your imp will teleport next to you. On my past 5 or so attempts this has worked 100%, making the Kilrogg trick unnecessary, and is more of a "set and forget" method than trying to spam passive/attack and also check to see when your imp is by your side and attacking, all the while trying to cast your own spells.