pfooti

Actually, I'm fairly sure this isn't true. Immolate does X damage over 15 seconds, ticking every 3 seconds for x/5 each time. Conflag hits for 4x/5. The glyph makes immolate hit for 1.1x, and therefore tick for (1.1)x/5, and conflag hits for 4 * 1.1 * x / 5. In other words, the glyph makes your immolate ticks hit 10% harder, and therefore your conflag will hit 10% harder than it did before. I could be wrong, I've never tried to run the numbers on it, but the text of the talent, skill, and glyph all indicate to me that it's a 10% boost.

 

mdl060374

I love(d) using the DPS spreadsheet for itemizing and evaluating gear, however from the looks of it, no one has stepped up yet to keep it running since Bakka is leaving.

Ideally I could figure out Simcraft, but after downloading it, and messing around with it, I cant seem to get it to run properly. (If anyone can point me soemwhere to figure it out, or give some BASIC advice, that would be great.)

In the meantime, I am exploring chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner but have a few questions on how it works.

Mainly:

1) How accurate does it take into account various set bonuses?

2) How accurate does calculate trinkets value (procs, etc)

3) Does it value gear dynamically (take into account spec, hit, etc) or are gear values static?


If anyone can give me some basic advice, that would be great...

 

pfooti

Q: In a 25-man raid that has no elemental shaman and 5 other DPS casters (for a total of 6), is it a no-brainer to spec demonic pact for overall Raid DPS? There are regular shaman around (for flametongue totem), but I'm looking at something on the order of a 210 spellpower buff over flametongue from my demonic pact build.

The rDPS thread seems to have evaporated, but all I'm looking for is a rule of thumb about when it's worthwhile to activate my 56/15 spec over my 13/58 spec for 25-man raids.

 

Orgath

simple formula:
personal dps loss < SP gained * raidmembers effected * uptime * DPS/SP

If you loose about 1000 DPS and give additional 200 SP with 90% uptime and an average DPS/SP of 1.25, you will see a benefit with 5 other DPS caster in the raid (200*0,9*1.25=225 *4=900 *5=1125) and this is not yet accounting the effect on your healers.

Replace with your own numbers at will.

for a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest - Simon & Garfunkel

 

teddypicker

what are the best stats for destruction at the moment, for example 500haste, 21% crit thats without raid buffs. what would be the better to gain crit or haste with those stats

 

Zed

Can someone update me if there are any bugged sources of spell power remaining that are not transferred with Demonic Pact (apart from DP itself obviously)?

 

Xera81

Your guild or character don't seem to exist on the Armoury so I cannot comment.
Generally speaking, assuming raid hit-capped, Haste is a far stronger stat for Destro, weighing very similarly to spellpower. Stack Haste and SP.

 

Rhadamanthis

Isn't stacking haste and spellpower pretty much the way to go for each spec? Crit has a budget cost far too high per point to be worth it, and spirit can't compete either.
Although I agree with you that for some specs it's "stack haste, then spellpower" (like for 0-41-30, since it already has a lot of spellpower), while for other specs it's "stack spellpower, then haste" (one day dots will scale with haste....one day....).

 

Xera81

Indeed. We're pretty much singing from the same song sheet here. I didn't really list them in any specific order. I believe crit is important to DP meta spec for keeping the buff uptime high. Spirit is still important for anyone who may still running the 4T7 bonus and LT glyph.
The important thing to remember is that the weights of the various stats depends on what you are already wearing.
For example i run with about 2.1k unbuffed SP 19.5 crit and about 610 haste atm. I feel that I'm quite loaded with haste and would probably opt for spell power items if given the choice.
DoTs scaling with Haste really throws the dog amongst the Squirrels. I'd love to see it happen

 

• Heeno

You shouldn't go about stacking one stat, then switching and stacking another while completely ignoring anything else. If you are curious to see the weights of 1 of each stat, run Simulationcraft with your gear. Generally unless you are in full Ulduar best-in-slot (ignoring hit), spellpower is the highest, followed by haste, then crit, then spirit. Spirit, for instance, actually is better than crit when in Naxx 10/Heroic gear, but scales very poorly after that.

As ideal as it seems to just be able to stack one stat and ignore everything else, when making actual gear choices you won't have that option, which is why I highly recommend that you determine the scaling factors for your personal gear set.

 

BirdKiller

When warlocks say "unbuffed", does that mean with Fel Armor on or off? I realize that the question itself seems obvious, but I've read many messages in WoW with warlocks saying "2500 SP unbuffed" which seems to be a bit too much even with the best Ulduar gear without the Fel Armor.

 

pfooti

I usually take that to mean with fel armor, but without any other buffs such as food, flasks, or totems, although you can probably get that high with a demonic knowledge build and no fel armor. Maybe.

 

Venomex

ISB Vs. Scorch (Help Please)
Alright. There have been plenty of times I have bounced something off one of your member's shoulders, and have been presented with amazing feedback and information. This time, I have to up the level, and really dig for what I want.

The argument at hand;

"When considering a Warlock and a Mage(2) in terms of DPS loss, which comes out ahead when faced with who to assign ISB/Scorch?"

Its been a long standing argument between our Mages and Locks. Currently we have a warlock who specs into ISB to provide the debuff for our casters. Now, from what I am seeing he is either plagued with one of the following;

Parse below is with our ISB warlock (Forsakensake).
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

1) Lowered DPS due to a gimped spec (Is that possible with ISB or should he still be putting out significant numbers)
2) Just a bad player.

Now I am under the assumption that the mages lose less DPS than a warlock when speccing into the equiv (Scorch). I should also add we currently run with three mages. Having 1 spec into scorch would not be a terrible idea. However it is also an option to have them rotate.

Now, this all came to light when I compared Fosakensake's performance as destruction (Which will always come ahead of ISB I am assuming) to his performance as ISB.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Questions I am looking to have answered;

Is it possible for him to do better as ISB?
What losses do the mages suffer from speccing into scorch?
How does it compare?
How do you guys handle this debuff, and what were your experiences in figuring out which was more beneficial?

 

Jackster1313

I was wondering what the story is on warlock AOE? I'm an affliction loc and I know we have seed of corruption and rain of fire...but is there a rotation out there of what is best for aoeing raid trash and even some of the bosses (like freya) that require it? I'd appreciate some help.

 

Splot

If it is fast to die trash then rain of fire should be more effective in damaging quickly. If it is higher health trash that takes a while to die then seed of corruption should be more effective. Generally seed requires more than 4 targets to allow you to get continual seed explosions. Seed will give you, as an affliction lock, a higher damage return, but it takes longer to get the damage started.

Rain of fire crits and depending where your gear and spec are at, this could swing the balance in favour of rain of fire damage.

Note to self: If the question is inappropriate, don't answer it, report it.

"Dear Splot,
You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks.
Reason: Aiding and abetting stupidity"

 

metalchick

What is the minimum resilience i should go into arena with and can you give me a suggestion as to which would be the best spec to roll with? I would just like some feed back from some one who has done a fair bit of arena so i can get their opinion please and thank you

 

Xera81

If there is a Meta/DP lock or Affliction lock in the raid then there is no problem with ISB. Having a Destruction lock gimp spec to provide ISB is totally counter productive in my opinion.

Either A) get the Mages to provide the scorch debuff - it happens and they will loose far less DPS than the poor gimped Destrolock. Or B) Have one of the locks respec to Affy or Demo - this is a far better option than using a shadowbolt setup in a Destrobuild.

 

Naibi

Last night I was trying out imp SB for the 5% crit debuff.
Seems like it was overriding the 3% crit debuff from totem of wrath. Is this correct?
Also imp SB only works on spells, but the totem works on all dmg, so is it replacing an 3% all over crit increase with a 5% spell crit increase? Seems like its just total crap..

 

Xera81

Its possible, but unlikely I feel. How did you ascertain that they we're not stacking?
As far as I can tell they do, or should stack. One is a pure spell crit de-buff and one is both melee and spell. I would assume that at worst it would overwrite the spell crit debuff but the 3% crit for melee would remain.
I know that it does not stack with Heart of the crusader.
From my own experience it seems that they stack additively.
Can anyone confirm this?

 

krilz

From the old list that Blizzard wrote in the beginning of 3.0:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....40524782&sid=1

 

turturin

2 Vezax hard-mode questions

To deal with problems with GCD pinging:
1. As deep destro, is it worth casting conflagrate on this fight? I run with approx 400 haste for this fight and it brings me below the GCD on both incinerate and chaos bolt. Is it better to stick with a simple immolate-chaos bolt-incinerate rotation as conflag is a bit of a mana hog?

2. Should one cast soulfire as deep destro during heroism (or backdraft if procced)? I know it isn’t propped up as much by talents, but with a base mana cost only 2/3 that of incinerate, could it be effective?

If anyone has experimented with these ideas I’d be interested to hear your results.

 

Makapuu

Mimiron question.

We are going to have the lock in my guild tank during P3. What is a good spec for him to use?

Thanks.

 

Shayo

When I do it, I just use the standard destro spec and a voidwalker for sacrifice. I use it on cooldown and use searing pain for filler to keep threat high.

 

Naibi

Well the only way I tested it was looking at the debuffs.
As soon as my shadow bolt debuff apperd the totem of wrath debuff icon was gone for the period.

And it was'nt only me, in fact the shaman was the one that noticed it. So I just paid attention to it, and yes the debuff icon was gone as soon as shadow mastery appeared. Happened each time.

 

turturin

If your healers are having trouble with the damage in either normal or hard-mode, a 0/12/59 spec or similar is very good. The key talents are soul link, fel synergy, fel vitality, imp. healthstone, molten skin, nether protection, and soul leech.

Pick up aggro on the head with immolate ---> conflagrate.

Once your healers are comfortable, no special spec is actually required.