Warlock: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 56

Shazra · 02/18/09, 12:53 PM

Our guild is going to be attempting 6min Malygos this week in both 10 and 25 versions. I'm curious what those who have done the achievement already would consider to be the ideal spec for this particular fight. I'm currently affliction speced but I'm thinking its not really ideal. Thoughts?

Destructorus1 · 02/18/09, 1:13 PM

Hey,

I'm new on this forum, so please don't be so hard to me

I have problem to choose which staff and which pants should I use.

1) [Greatstaff of the Nexus] + [Valorous Plagueheart Leggings]

I will have 19645 Hp (with Imp)/16399 Mana/477 Spirit/2218 spellpower/353 hit/17,48% crit/596 Haste.

2) [Greatstaff of the Nexus] + [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster]

I will have 19480 Hp (with Imp)/16708 Mana/477 Spirit/2223 spellpower/ 435 hit/ 16,49% crit/582 Haste.

3) [Staff of Restraint] + [Valorous Plagueheart Leggings]

I will have 19460 Hp (With Imp)/16378 Mana/561 Spirit/2250 spellpower/ 258 hit/ 19.15% crit/ 492 haste.

4) [Staff of Restraint] + [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster]

I will have 19305 Hp (with Imp)/17187 mana/561 spirit/2255 spellpower/340 hit/18,16% crit/478 haste

Note that I'm 21/50, and usually raid with boomkin and/or s-priest. Also I usually eat fish feast, but can eat every of h-level food (+haste, +hit etc).

W8ing for advices.

Eph · 02/18/09, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by Shazra

Our guild is going to be attempting 6min Malygos this week in both 10 and 25 versions. I'm curious what those who have done the achievement already would consider to be the ideal spec for this particular fight. I'm currently affliction speced but I'm thinking its not really ideal. Thoughts?

Affliction should be fine. My only thought about this fight specifically is that increased range could help just a little, as the boss and adds in phase 2 do move out of range, though I don't think it's that significant that I would respec. Strategy is what will make the difference, just do your normal high dps otherwise.

Flying V · 02/18/09, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by Shazra

Our guild is going to be attempting 6min Malygos this week in both 10 and 25 versions. I'm curious what those who have done the achievement already would consider to be the ideal spec for this particular fight. I'm currently affliction speced but I'm thinking its not really ideal. Thoughts?

Affliction should be a perfectly viable spec. While you won't see the big numbers that destro might during the stacked sparks, you will still put out a huge amount of damage as long as dots are recast while standing in those zones. And affliction is definitely the best for taking out the Scions since you can put a full stack of dots on them and move on to the next (rinse, repeat).

Also if you put the points into malediction it is a really nice trick to dismount the drake and cast CoE on Maly during the drake phase. While this kills you, it is still a huge raid dps increase overall and can help push the time down below the 6 minute mark if your guild is struggling with it.

TiaMaster · 02/18/09, 4:07 PM

Yes, affliction will shine here, as long as you don't go crazy and take aggro during Vortex stages where u have a spark(s).

Pull out your imp on phase two, he doesnt die, yet he just stays out in the middle lighting up everything in range.

Originally Posted by Flying V

Also if you put the points into malediction it is a really nice trick to dismount the drake and cast CoE on Maly during the drake phase. While this kills you, it is still a huge raid dps increase overall and can help push the time down below the 6 minute mark if your guild is struggling with it.

There is NO WAY this is a good thing to do. Every last bit of dps is needed, and you are killing that dps, and applying something that doesnt come close to making up for it.

Eph · 02/18/09, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by TiaMaster

There is NO WAY this is a good thing to do. Every last bit of dps is needed, and you are killing that dps, and applying something that doesnt come close to making up for it.

If CoE does affect the fire damage, thats 10-13% more damage. Unless you are doing 10-13% of the phase 3 damage, which I suspect you would not, how is this a dps loss?

Fireye · 02/18/09, 4:45 PM

Originally Posted by Eph

If CoE does affect the fire damage, thats 10-13% more damage. Unless you are doing 10-13% of the phase 3 damage, which I suspect you would not, how is this a dps loss?

This was fixed a while ago, IIRC. Have you tried it lately?

Shayo · 02/18/09, 4:47 PM

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Flying V · 02/18/09, 5:24 PM

Originally Posted by Fireye

This was fixed a while ago, IIRC. Have you tried it lately?

How exactly did they "fix" this? Did they make it not affected by the dragon abilities? I was able to do it last reset, but we have not attempted it this week.

Eph · 02/18/09, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by Fireye

This was fixed a while ago, IIRC. Have you tried it lately?

I haven't, but what I've heard was fixed is that you can't apply this pre-phase 3 like you used to be able to do. Or while he is giving his RP speech at the beginning of phase 3. As far as I know, you are still able to do this once you can attack. I haven't heard one way or the other from anyone who says the debuff can't be applied or that it does in fact increase the fire damage. I was simply countering the argument that this would not be worth doing, which it obviously wouldn't be if it doesn't work, however I've seen no one linking wws or giving personal experiences.

applying something that doesnt come close to making up for it.

This doesn't imply that CoE doesn't work, just that it doesn't do as much for the raid as the warlock would, which I think would be false.

Trickykid · 02/18/09, 6:07 PM

Originally Posted by Eph

I haven't, but what I've heard was fixed is that you can't apply this pre-phase 3 like you used to be able to do. Or while he is giving his RP speech at the beginning of phase 3. As far as I know, you are still able to do this once you can attack. I haven't heard one way or the other from anyone who says the debuff can't be applied or that it does in fact increase the fire damage.

Considering Flame Spikes (Flame Spike - Spell - World of Warcraft), since their damage shouldn't be affected by anything else in the fight.
Week A, without using CoE.
Week B, using talented CoE.

Base average damage is 1000. With 5.2% mitigation, the average should be 948, parse has it at 946.

With 5.3% mitigation and 13% CoE, average should be 1070, parse has it at 1082.

Looks like it works.

Flying V · 02/18/09, 10:45 PM

Tried it tonight and CoE still works. You can apply it after his RP speech in phase 3 and it does increase the damage done by the dragons flame spike and dots.

Xera81 · 02/19/09, 9:14 AM

May seem like an insane idea.. but can you use a SS during phase 3 if you die?
i.e Kamakazi CoE, SS res, continue DPS.
I only ask as I know that if Maly dies people can re-enter the instance after dying in phase 3 and they get thier drakes back so they can loot. I cannot think of any of our outings where someone has even attempted to use a SS in Phase 3. I might try it in a 10 man next week.

Ralimenua · 02/19/09, 10:55 AM

Affliction: CoA vs CoD when both trinkets proc
Is it worth casting CoD over CoA when both [Dying Curse] and [Sundial of the Exiled] have procced?

Similarly is the +Spellpower of one or both trinkets worth clipping unexpired dots?

cazerus · 02/19/09, 11:39 AM

Hi all, simple question, please could i get a simple answer. I can do the maths but dont have time.
Here is my spec and gear links

The World of Warcraft Armory

The World of Warcraft Armory

my question is, what can I do to improve my dps,
i rotate
CoA, Cor, Imm, Incin, incin incin...
Cor, Imm, Incin, CoA,
have glyphs imp, conflag, and coa
am only pulling around 2440dps over a naxx 25man clear, our other lock is very similar gear spec and talent spec, but does around 2880dps over the same period, how can i up my dps??
I am usually around 8th to 10th on the dps list and the same for damage, the other lock is around 6th and 4th respecitively?

The World of Warcraft Armory
this is his armoury link,

btw, hi Threep if you are reading this ))

any help appreciated