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Old 10/06/09, 8:39 PM   #1626
Malbrax
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Human Warlock
 
Greymane
Can someone point out a good spreadsheet or addon that can help with gear selection? I've tried Leulier Spreadsheet and Opti Gear but they both seem to be bugged for me.

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Old 10/06/09, 8:50 PM   #1627
Yeda
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Undead Warlock
 
Dragonmaw (EU)
Originally Posted by MonKAY View Post
Hello guys!
i'm searching for an comparison between 18 Spirit and Tuskaar's Vitality. How many seconds I have to run to get more dps through Tuskarr's Vitality?

I'm sorry if my question has been answered before, but i can't get along with that forum search.

I will quote WotLK Complete Mage Compendium on this:

Originally Posted by Roywyn View Post
RUN SPEED ENCHANT?
[Formula: Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality] beats the other enchants if you spend at least 4 seconds running per minute.
Actual quality depends of fight, gear, behaviour and much more, 4s/min is a generalised figure and threshold estimate.

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Old 10/07/09, 4:42 AM   #1628
Anthraxx
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Undead Warlock
 
Mazrigos (EU)
Since Anub'arak discussion is allowed now... What are you specing for 25man HM?

I've been affliction so far, but looking for some feedback on how does destro or meta/ruin look in p3 mana-wise.

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Old 10/07/09, 11:49 AM   #1629
angaroth
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Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether
Phase 3 as Destro is not much of an issue. In fact the healers like it when we keep our health low. Try and life tap up a lot just at the transition to fill in your pool and minimize your contribution to his healing.

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Old 10/07/09, 3:12 PM   #1630
Naforce
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Human Warlock
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by angaroth View Post
Phase 3 as Destro is not much of an issue. In fact the healers like it when we keep our health low. Try and life tap up a lot just at the transition to fill in your pool and minimize your contribution to his healing.
This is not fully true. Whilst it most likely will work just fine if you've specced improved soul leech and dont need to aoe, that probably wont be the case. It may work just fine, but my experiences say that if you aoe, you go oom, meaning you will need some extra healing in order to life tap (assuming that you keep the entire raid at a relatively low hp).

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Old 10/07/09, 3:26 PM   #1631
Mordekhuul
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Orc Warlock
 
Terenas
Originally Posted by Naforce View Post
This is not fully true. Whilst it most likely will work just fine if you've specced improved soul leech and dont need to aoe, that probably wont be the case. It may work just fine, but my experiences say that if you aoe, you go oom, meaning you will need some extra healing in order to life tap (assuming that you keep the entire raid at a relatively low hp).
Is AOE the most DPS that can be churned out with only 3 mobs up?

Stand in the fire? CHAOS BOLT!

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Old 10/07/09, 5:09 PM   #1632
Kambing
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Lightbringer
Originally Posted by Mordekhuul View Post
Is AOE the most DPS that can be churned out with only 3 mobs up?
Keep in mind on heroic Anub there are 4 adds per wave so there are 5 targets total for AE to hit.

Since Anub'arak discussion is allowed now... What are you specing for 25man HM?

I've been affliction so far, but looking for some feedback on how does destro or meta/ruin look in p3 mana-wise.
Affliction is definitely the most self-sustaining spec for the fight. Destro obviously fares better on mana than demo in p3 as expected. However, the end result is still the same: both specs will oom and depending on your healing strategy, you may need to work out a way to get the health necessary to tap either via healthstone, pots, or begging a healer that is free. Rank 1 taps help greatly in this regard.

Overall, because of the nature of the fight and targets involved, a warlock's role in this encounter is more about utility than output. Even though demo seems sketchy because of mana issues, I think it's the best spec to bring in terms of overall raid benefit (not to mention as we've pointed out in the demo thread, the fight really does play to demo's strengths).

Personally, I was demo on our first kill and have since moved to destro on subsequent kills to help with burrower interrupts.

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Old 10/07/09, 6:17 PM   #1633
thatballinkidnomsayin
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Khaz Modan
t8 2 piece/t9 4 piece set bonuses as destruction

the set bonuses for t8 and t9 increase the damage of immolate by 10%.

does anybody know if conflagrate scales with the set bonuses, making them extremely helpful to destruction?

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Old 10/07/09, 7:02 PM   #1634
Burnonedown
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Undead Priest
 
Illidan
Fresh 80 raiding spec

So I've looked all over on the forums for a good spec to start my raiding career. I'm aware of not having enough spell power for DP to be useful. I also will probably have a hard time reaching hit cap to start with. I will use dual-talent spec and could use Replenishment in one of those specs for some raid versatility from my budget ass.

What spec would provide me with the best chance to do competitive dps?

I play a spriest as my main in ToC heriocs and Uld 25 hard modes, and was playing a mage in Naxx and early Uld. I play my characters well and have good dot timers/latency/resonsiveness. I just need some starting advice. Thanks

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Old 10/07/09, 7:55 PM   #1635
Omgzwtf
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Night Elf Druid
 
Alexstrasza
0/13/58 is very competitive and very applicable to lower ilevel toons. Pretty much cant go wrong with it.

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Old 10/08/09, 4:01 AM   #1636
krilz
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Orc Warlock
 
Laughing Skull (EU)
Originally Posted by thatballinkidnomsayin View Post
the set bonuses for t8 and t9 increase the damage of immolate by 10%.

does anybody know if conflagrate scales with the set bonuses, making them extremely helpful to destruction?
Conflagrate damage is based upon Immolate so therefor; yes.

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Old 10/08/09, 6:29 AM   #1637
notimeremains
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Human Warlock
 
Darkspear (EU)
Is there a way to produce alot of gear just to see the DPS value of items?
Optigear and such are great to see which is the best gear you could possibly wear, but to see items that can are a good DPS increase but are easier to get would be nice too.

Too bad it isn't very likely to move in ToGC 25m Heroic, down every boss and get all the loot you want.

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Old 10/08/09, 10:43 AM   #1638
mwaf
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Undead Warlock
 
Zenedar (EU)
Originally Posted by notimeremains View Post
Is there a way to produce alot of gear just to see the DPS value of items?
Optigear and such are great to see which is the best gear you could possibly wear, but to see items that can are a good DPS increase but are easier to get would be nice too.

Too bad it isn't very likely to move in ToGC 25m Heroic, down every boss and get all the loot you want.
You can filter out loot in OptiGear. It's perhaps a bit tedious, but you can exclude the gear that is unattainable to you for a personalized BiS list.

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Old 10/08/09, 11:03 AM   #1639
Eiffeltower
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Ghostlands (EU)
No hit trinket list

Hey guys,

First, big fan of the site etc. (first post obliges ass kissing methinks)

Simple question:
Is there a list out there that displays the DPS values of trinket, but without hit? I know there are lists that consider hit rating differently (ie DPS / DPSg from Warlocomotif), but one that completely removes the hit factor...

My real question being, if I am already hit capped, would it be better to use Dying Curse or Abyssal Rune ?

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Old 10/08/09, 4:06 PM   #1640
nuibank
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Sen'jin
Use the table you mentioned. 292 - 71 < 276.8.

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Old 10/09/09, 6:12 AM   #1641
notimeremains
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Darkspear (EU)
Originally Posted by mwaf View Post
You can filter out loot in OptiGear. It's perhaps a bit tedious, but you can exclude the gear that is unattainable to you for a personalized BiS list.
yes I saw this option, too bad it is so much work. A button to exclude whole instances or PvP would be nice. but still I would like to know the DPS values of easy to get upgrades.
Is there a way to export the stat values of items from let's say WoWhead to an excel sheet?

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Old 10/09/09, 10:05 AM   #1642
marano
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Orc Warlock
 
Trollbane (EU)
Originally Posted by krilz View Post
Conflagrate damage is based upon Immolate so therefor; yes.
Unfortunately, no, not with 4x tier 9.x. It should scale with the increased 10% damage from immolate. But if you take the time to test it on dummies, you'll notice that conflag will hit for about 50 less in T9.5 4x then with 2x tier 8.5.

They fixed the scaling of immolate. Now they have to fix the scale factors of conflagrate.

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Old 10/09/09, 10:14 AM   #1643
krilz
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Laughing Skull (EU)
Originally Posted by marano View Post
Unfortunately, no, not with 4x tier 9.x. It should scale with the increased 10% damage from immolate. But if you take the time to test it on dummies, you'll notice that conflag will hit for about 50 less in T9.5 4x then with 2x tier 8.5.

They fixed the scaling of immolate. Now they have to fix the scale factors of conflagrate.
Are you sure? Because according to Blizzard, it should. It might not be 100% working though, but then that is still a bug.

Src: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - T9 - 4set bonus is not affecting conflagrate

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Old 10/09/09, 10:14 AM   #1644
Shayo
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Undead Warlock
 
Kel'Thuzad
Is there any way to test personal dps with SimulationCraft if your pet dies halfway through a fight? What about with more than once (i.e. pet dies at 25%, 50% and 75%)?

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Old 10/09/09, 10:58 AM   #1645
Litemode
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
In 3.3 What would be the rotation if your target is below 35%? I'm wondering whether it's worth keeping Immolate, CoA and Corruption up when having a 100% uptime on Decimate.

Last edited by Litemode : 10/09/09 at 11:11 AM.

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Old 10/09/09, 1:04 PM   #1646
Jenren22
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Executus (EU)
I have the T9.25 helm, shoulders, and gloves. What i am thinking about doing is dropping the shoulders for the gloves, putting them to one side and going back to the non tier non hit shoulders from the badge vendor, my totc25 non tier legs and the Merlin's robe, essentially dropping the T8 bonus. As a 10man raider, trophies are hard to come by. I was very lucky to win two from a couple of totc25 pugs, and the gloves from VoA, but the chances of me receiving a 3rd trophy i can't really bank on right now, so the T9.25 legs are out of the question unless i get insanely lucky in VoA once again.

I used the Optigear programme which suggested this as the optimal gear set, equipping some hit items to make up lost hit. Simcraft disagreed when run through an optimal setup thinking i should go for the T9.10 chest to complete the bonus, however the stat weights i went by on Optigear are those from running a raid_T9 simcraft file which doesn't include a shaman thus no optimal raid setup, thus haste is valued much much more, hence why Optigear chose that combination.

I also did some tests on the dummy and found by just having the T8.5 chest, non tier items and the 2 piece T9 bonus, the dps was actually higher on average without both set bonuses. Thus the extra haste i gained really did make a difference. This was done in the company of a boomkin so i had the important raid buffs minus priest/mage buffs.

So, in your opinion, is it worth me dropping the T8 2 piece bonus for some nice crafted/non tier drops? Or will i be wasting alot of gold getting the robe? Since i only raid 10man, is it maybe safer to keep two piece T8 until i manage to get the T9 legs? (which i may not get for a very long time). The other option is to get the ilevel 232 chest to complete the bonus, keeping my non tier legs. Just feels a bit of a waste to put my 3rd T9 piece in the bank...

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Old 10/09/09, 3:06 PM   #1647
Marklar
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Gnome Warlock
 
Uldum
Originally Posted by marano View Post
Unfortunately, no, not with 4x tier 9.x. It should scale with the increased 10% damage from immolate. But if you take the time to test it on dummies, you'll notice that conflag will hit for about 50 less in T9.5 4x then with 2x tier 8.5.
This is an incorrect conclusion from your observations. If the 4xT9 didn't work on conflag, your conflags would be far lower. The real answer is yes, it works, but not quite the same way as 2xT8. For mathematical analysis see this post. For a simpler explanation, continue below.

Spell multipliers from gear or glyphs work the same way talents do. They are all added together before being multiplied. Immolate ticks typically have +6%, +30% and +15% from aftermath, improved immolate and emberstorm, which cumulatively multiply damage by 151%. Adding the 2xT8 or 4xT9 bonus changes this to 161%, so it really increases your final damage by +6.6%

Conflag is the odd man out, though, because talents work differently on it than any other spell. It's affected by the same talents, but it doesn't add emberstom before multiplying. Emberstorm makes the other talents 15% better for conflag than for immolate. So the same talents multiply damage by (1+0.06+0.3)*(1+0.15)= 156.4%. That's why Conflag actually hits for 4.14 ticks of immolate instead of 4. When you add the set bonuses, they also get extra from the terms they are multiplied by.

The 2xT8 bonus is multipled by aftermath and improved immolate, giving an effective damage increase of +8.7%, hitting for 4.22 ticks of immolate.

The 4xT9 bonus is only modified by emberstorm, making it worth +7.35% extra damage and hitting for 4.17 ticks of immolate. It's not as good as 2xT8, but it still boosts conflag more than immolate.

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Old 10/10/09, 1:23 PM   #1648
Ehanoro
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Goblin Death Knight
 
Nathrezim
Sorry if this has been asked before, but do Warlock pets gain crit rating from their Warlock masters crit rating?

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Old 10/10/09, 6:59 PM   #1649
zelman
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Gnome Warlock
 
Draka
Originally Posted by Ehanoro View Post
Sorry if this has been asked before, but do Warlock pets gain crit rating from their Warlock masters crit rating?
Not at the moment, it's slated to be added but I don't know when. Improved Demonic Tactics makes your pet gain 30% of your paper doll crit% though.

Last edited by zelman : 10/10/09 at 7:09 PM.

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Old 10/11/09, 12:22 AM   #1650
jandek
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Gnome Warlock
 
Wyrmrest Accord
I have been away from WoW for awhile. And at this moment I'm watch'n my bro in ToC 25 and I noticed the two destro locks in the raid have very low haste..one @ 46haste and the other at 137 haste....I've look'd around but could not find out if having very low haste like them is the way to go now..im just baffled. I dont think it is however but just cant figure out why they have such low haste.

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