Warlock: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 70

Emolate · 04/14/09, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by Aeldaar

simple question from a mage:

What are the dominant specs coming up in 3.1, and do they take Improved shadow bolt?

I assume you're really asking "do I need to have an Improved Scorch mage in my raid," and the answer is yes, unless you have a Demonic Pact Warlock. Deep Affliction builds will not use Shadow Bolt in execute range, they switch to drain soul, so if you want near-100% uptime of a 5% crit debuff on the target, you need a very deep Demonologist.

Marklar · 04/14/09, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by Emolate

I assume you're really asking "do I need to have an Improved Scorch mage in my raid," and the answer is yes, unless you have a Demonic Pact Warlock. Deep Affliction builds will not use Shadow Bolt in execute range, they switch to drain soul, so if you want near-100% uptime of a 5% crit debuff on the target, you need a very deep Demonologist.

This completely ignores the fact that stacking Imp. scorch has a very high cost for the mage as well. In order to pick up the debuff, the mage has to either give up a dps glyph or spend at least 7.5 seconds casting scorch. An affliction warlock can maintain it by weaving in a 2.5 second cast after 30 seconds, or less if nightfall procs. Unless you are looking at a very long fight, the mage is likely to lose more dps picking it up and maintaining it than the warlock will lose just maintaining it.

P51mus · 04/14/09, 6:08 PM

So, I've been thinking about trying a demonic pact spec, but I've been having trouble finding a casting priority. The simulation craft thread has a priority list in the simcraft configs, but I'm having trouble reading what it says exactly.

So, basic priority is something like, corruption -> immolate -> shadowbolt when not under 35%?

And under 35% start weaving in soulfires as top priority?

No curse of agony?

angaroth · 04/14/09, 6:28 PM

@P51mus:

From the DP spec section of the actual Simcraft 3.1 OP:
actions+=/demonic_empowerment/life_tap,trigger=10000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=-1
actions+=/life_tap,glyph=1/metamorphosis/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolation,health_percentage>=35
actions+=/soul_fire,decimation=1/immolate/corruption,health_percentage>=35/shadow_bolt/life_tap

So your rotation is DE whenever it is up, Life Tap if you are below 10000 mana, the boss has more than 35% and you are not in Meta, or you do have the glyph and it is up, then comes Meta, then DoD as long as it will tick (90 is used because the TTL accelerates so 90 =~ 60), then immo as long as you aren't decimating, otherwise SF *then* immo, corruption if not decimating, SB. Don't know what use the last Life Tap is for though.

P51mus · 04/14/09, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by angaroth

Don't know what use the last Life Tap is for though.

If boss is not yet dead and you're OOM (IE, can't cast anything else), cast life tap?

Darkstarrz · 04/14/09, 8:20 PM

Does anyone know if there is an addon I could find that will tell me when my lifetap buff from lifetap glyph comes off cooldown so I am not staring at my buffs durring an entire fight. I am using pulse which works great and flashes a huge icon in the middle of my screen when my cd's are ready to be used again. Is there any way to add the lifetap buff from the glyph to that addon that anyone knows of. thanks.

dualaud · 04/14/09, 10:26 PM

Did you try to set up msbt/sct to give you a warning when the cooldown is over? Since 3.1 is not yet live in Europe, I can't give you the exact directions on how to accomplish this. Do a quick search for "trigger msbt" with google and you will find the instructions.

Orgath · 04/15/09, 5:27 AM

Originally Posted by Marklar

This completely ignores the fact that stacking Imp. scorch has a very high cost for the mage as well. In order to pick up the debuff, the mage has to either give up a dps glyph or spend at least 7.5 seconds casting scorch. An affliction warlock can maintain it by weaving in a 2.5 second cast after 30 seconds, or less if nightfall procs. Unless you are looking at a very long fight, the mage is likely to lose more dps picking it up and maintaining it than the warlock will lose just maintaining it.

There is nothing ignored.
If there are:

DP-Locks in the raid - no need to scorch
Aff-Locks in the raid - no need to scorch until Execute time unless you get him to keep on weaving in a SB than
all other raid specs - no ISB

everything else is left to your favorite raid buddies and not to Emolate

Xartoz · 04/15/09, 6:07 AM

Originally Posted by Darkstarrz

Does anyone know if there is an addon I could find that will tell me when my lifetap buff from lifetap glyph comes off cooldown so I am not staring at my buffs durring an entire fight. I am using pulse which works great and flashes a huge icon in the middle of my screen when my cd's are ready to be used again. Is there any way to add the lifetap buff from the glyph to that addon that anyone knows of. thanks.

TellMeWhen can be configured for that.

Hatryn · 04/15/09, 6:21 AM

Originally Posted by Blacksen

Question: Does anyone have a suggestion on how to watch for drain soul ticks under 25%? I'm having trouble with it and sometimes feel like I'm clipping it right before it does another tick.

I think ForteX shows the ticks in the bar, I personally use DrainSoulTimer : WoWInterface Downloads : Warlock, it playes a notification sound (Finish him) when the mob is under 25% and every tick also has an accoustic signal (which can be changed via .lua I think)

Hi btw, nice forums, lot of info ^^

Wastecan · 04/15/09, 4:20 PM

Looking at Fel Synergy:

1. You have a 50% chance to heal your pet for 50% of the amount of spell damage done by you.
2. You have a 100% chance to heal your pet for 30% of the amouth of spell damage done by you.

So for one point you get 25% healing of spell damage...(50% * 50% = 25%)
For two points you get 30% healing of spell damage...(100% * 30% = 30%)

Is the 2nd point worth it?

Grimrage · 04/15/09, 6:37 PM

Since Haunt and Life Tap glyphs aren't available yet and Immolate and Siphon Life glyphs are now worthless for Affliction, would the recommended interim glyphs be CoA, UA and Corr?

VenomByte · 04/16/09, 4:28 AM

Originally Posted by Grimrage

Since Haunt and Life Tap glyphs aren't available yet and Immolate and Siphon Life glyphs are now worthless for Affliction, would the recommended interim glyphs be CoA, UA and Corr?

Yes they would. The other possibility might be Shadow Bolt - given that it's now a much bigger part of our rotation, it may well have shot up in it's dps value from mana saved. It'll be useless when you're lifetapping every 20 seconds, but without the life tap glyph you won't be doing that just yet anyway.

Lunaped · 04/16/09, 10:05 AM

I know there's the PVE 3.1 spec discussion thread, but is there one for PVP?

I'm assuming that, for PVP it is a toss up between Affliction and Demonology. Even then, what would the recommended specs be?

I haven't yet done the 0/41/30 (I like my Felguard...), because its PVE based but I'm wondering what the PVP specs are for this new patch.

Damphair · 04/16/09, 6:40 PM

Originally Posted by Lunaped

I know there's the PVE 3.1 spec discussion thread, but is there one for PVP?

I'm assuming that, for PVP it is a toss up between Affliction and Demonology. Even then, what would the recommended specs be?

I haven't yet done the 0/41/30 (I like my Felguard...), because its PVE based but I'm wondering what the PVP specs are for this new patch.

There's some discussion on this in the PVP forum. Try this thread.