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Old 05/22/09, 2:59 PM   #1231
Lephturn
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by krosz View Post
The warlock, assuming affliction or deep demonology.
That is just backwards. The Warlock spec that loses the least personal DPS to put up CoE is Destruction. Affliction would lose a great deal of personal DPS having spent points increasing damage and buffing DoTs, and any Demonology spec would lose DPS due to being unable to use CoA to proc Molten Core. The spec of Warlock that loses the least personal DPS is Destruction, but some math will be needed to figure out if a mage loses more or less than a Warlock.

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Old 05/22/09, 3:03 PM   #1232
nuibank
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Sen'jin
Originally Posted by Lephturn View Post
That is just backwards. The Warlock spec that loses the least personal DPS to put up CoE is Destruction. Affliction would lose a great deal of personal DPS having spent points increasing damage and buffing DoTs, and any Demonology spec would lose DPS due to being unable to use CoA to proc Molten Core. The spec of Warlock that loses the least personal DPS is Destruction, but some math will be needed to figure out if a mage loses more or less than a Warlock.
That post was not about CoE, it was about Improved Shadowbolt. Given that Affliction locks and Demonology locks provide that buff in their natural rotation, his response was correct.

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Old 05/22/09, 3:06 PM   #1233
chargerrich
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Undead Warlock
 
Burning Legion
Thanks for all the replies, I knew the stamina gems were far from ideal but i had them in the bank and could not find a usable blue socket gem so i got socket bonus. I plan to max my enchanting this weekend to get better enchants.

For the record I did indeed read almost every post in this thread and the pve discussion and spreadsheet threads but in any event, sorry if some of my issues were obvious.

Take care all.

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Old 05/22/09, 3:10 PM   #1234
chargerrich
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Undead Warlock
 
Burning Legion
What blue socket gems are recommended for a raid warlock? Would you forgoe socket or even meta bonuses to just stack sp or hit as appropriate?

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Old 05/22/09, 3:38 PM   #1235
krosz
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Originally Posted by chargerrich View Post
What blue socket gems are recommended for a raid warlock? Would you forgoe socket or even meta bonuses to just stack sp or hit as appropriate?
Gem qualities have been discussed quite a lot. Dont skip the meta. And remember that, for example, green and violet gems also count as blue.

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Old 05/22/09, 8:10 PM   #1236
Zultan
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Hydraxis
Originally Posted by chargerrich View Post
What blue socket gems are recommended for a raid warlock? Would you forgoe socket or even meta bonuses to just stack sp or hit as appropriate?
For a Blue socket if you want the socket bonus use Purified Twilight Opal, if you don't use Runed Scarlet Ruby. It's up to you whether or not to go for the socket bonus, if it's something like stam or int it isn't worth it go with straight sp.

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Old 05/23/09, 6:08 AM   #1237
Eglan
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Undead Warlock
 
Zul'Jin (EU)
Originally Posted by krosz View Post
Gem qualities have been discussed quite a lot. Dont skip the meta. And remember that, for example, green and violet gems also count as blue.
But don't forget, most socket bonuses simply suck, a "+3 crit" from the gown of the spellweaver, to put an example, isn't worth the damage you give by not socketing a 19 SP gem. Try and get the 2 best socket bonuses to put your 2x purple gems in them and go SP for almost all the rest of gems (if you got hitcapped).
I also noticed you replaced some of your gems, and I'm wondering if you can read the word "Purified" before "twilight opal" because you are, again, losing dps. And still under the hit cap. Socket +16 hit until 368, that's your priority. And enchant your gear.

Last edited by Eglan : 05/23/09 at 6:15 AM.

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Old 05/25/09, 4:41 AM   #1238
Shaby
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Orc Hunter
 
Kazzak (EU)
Is there any Ulduar "gear list" around? Ulduar offers so many different items I really have trouble keeping track, is there any BiS gear list?

Thanks

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Old 05/25/09, 6:35 AM   #1239
Anthraxx
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Mazrigos (EU)
Ulduar loot - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Here is a nice list.

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Old 05/25/09, 6:39 AM   #1240
krilz
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Orc Warlock
 
Laughing Skull (EU)
Originally Posted by Shaby View Post
Is there any Ulduar "gear list" around? Ulduar offers so many different items I really have trouble keeping track, is there any BiS gear list?

Thanks
No BiS-list yet AFAIK, however you can puzzle together your own gear at chardev.org if you'd like (although not ALL gear is listed; still missing some hard modes, most notably Algalon)

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Old 05/25/09, 8:49 AM   #1241
Turboteckel
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Undead Warlock
 
Draenor (EU)
Does anyone know the worth of the 2pt7 bonus vs the 4pt8 bonus for 13/58?

I switched out my [Valorous Plagueheart Leggings] for the [Conqueror's Deathbringer Leggings] yesterday.

Losing 55 crit and the the 2pt7 setbonus replacing it with about 50sp (if you count the spirit on the legs) and the 4pt8 bonus.

Currently only have 19.18% crit selfbuffed (with firestone) and only 356 haste but still greatly outperforming Haunt/Ruin in raids.

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Old 05/25/09, 3:49 PM   #1242
Ducka
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Undead Warlock
 
Shattered Halls
I have a question regarding the value of two piece t8. I currently use the 25 man helm, and have the 25 man gloves sitting in my bags because they're not better than what I currently use. I was thinking that it might be better to use the gloves to get the 2 piece, is this correct? To show you what I would be replacing, this is what I'm usingHandwraps of Plentiful Recovery and obviously i would be replacing them with Handwraps of Plentiful Recovery . So I would gain a little bit of spellpower, but lose a good amount of haste. Is this worth it for the 2piece?

Oh yeah, im 13/58 by the way.

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Old 05/25/09, 4:41 PM   #1243
Menestheus
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Turboteckel View Post
Does anyone know the worth of the 2pt7 bonus vs the 4pt8 bonus for 13/58?
I switched out my [Valorous Plagueheart Leggings] for the [Conqueror's Deathbringer Leggings] yesterday.
Losing 55 crit and the the 2pt7 setbonus replacing it with about 50sp (if you count the spirit on the legs) and the 4pt8 bonus.
Currently only have 19.18% crit selfbuffed (with firestone) and only 356 haste but still greatly outperforming Haunt/Ruin in raids.
Well if you think about it for a second:
The 2pcT7 bonus is a 10% crit rate on a proc and the 4pcT8 is 5% crit rate all the time on the same thing. So, unless the T7 bonus is up for more than 50% of your Incinerates then the T8 bonus is better. Running a quick simulationcraft shows that the T7 bonus has an uptime of 11.1% for me in my gear. This makes sense because you are only using Immolate which has a chance to proc it and you are casting an awful lot of Incinerates compared to the number of Immolate ticks.

So the 4pcT8 bonus is better.

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Old 05/26/09, 1:15 PM   #1244
Weerea
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Sargeras
I'm not sure how to work simcraft so I have to ask - for the 0/13/58 destro spec - is the DG a net dps gain? Obviously the DG does more dps than the imp even with all the imp talents you take, but I was wondering about the dps loss from not having empowered imp procs.

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Old 05/26/09, 3:26 PM   #1245
Menestheus
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Undead Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Weerea View Post
I'm not sure how to work simcraft so I have to ask - for the 0/13/58 destro spec - is the DG a net dps gain? Obviously the DG does more dps than the imp even with all the imp talents you take, but I was wondering about the dps loss from not having empowered imp procs.
It's approximately a 1.25% overall DPS increase to use the DG instead of the Imp. This is assuming the DG is able to stay attacking the target the entire time (not the case in a good deal of Ulduar fights).

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