• KingSpeedy

As much as I love Quartz, I'd strongly consider switching to a castbar that had some indication of where along a channel the ticks occurred, i.e. some marker along the bar. This would clean up Drain Soul a lot sub-25%. Anyone know of anything like this or should we start a movement to have it added as a new feature?

 

Nicarras

That would be pretty handy. Granted as it stands now, I have Drain Soul ticks showing up in SCTD so I can see when the ticks happen.

 

rutiene

They occur every 3 seconds. Just watch for: 11.5, 8.5, 5.5, 2.5 on your Quartz channeling bar.

 

• KingSpeedy

Without haste and lag, sure. I guess I might set up SCTD to only show DS damage so I can be a bit quicker without having to angle my camera and look for the big number to pop up.

 

Devourment

Using DS just requires a bit more attention paid during the last 25% of a mob. It's not *that* easy to miss a 6-9k tick in a sea of 500-2,000 dmg ticks! I think that you would be gimping yourself by only showing ds damage on SCT. If you cannot turn your camera to watch the mob/sctd during the final % due to computer lag, I would suggest following rutiene's advice and follow the quartz counter or simply count it off in your head. I actually do the latter because in alot of fights there is too much going on to tunnel vision my cast bar.

 

Nicarras

You can make SCTD do this


[spell name] [dmg amount]

Thats what mine looks like, very easy to spot DS ticks then

 

senomar

I highly recommend MSBT for Drain Soul.

You can add a trigger to e.g. play a sound for every drain tick:
Main Event:
Periodic Skill Damage (DoT)
Event Conditions:
Source Unit Affiliation - Is Equal To - You
Skill Name - Is Equal To - Drain Soul

I use an "Auction Bell" every tick and with this setup it is very easy to cancel the drain right after the tick to reapply affliction dots. skip immolate in this phase.

I also have a notification if the mob is below 25% health.
Main Event:
Health Change
Event Conditions:
Unit ID - Is Equal To - Target
Threshold - Is Less Than - 25
Unit Reaction - Is Equal To - Hostile

 

gwnyvere

What would be your spell rotation for this? Sorry for the nub question about this. I raided as desto lock (SB spam ftw) and can't seem to be getting the feel of anything I spec into now and I'd really like to stick with my warlock.

 

Ravelvan

Regarding Drain Soul ticks, you can use the "Fifths" texture in Quartz (or possibly its part of SharedMedia?) This will basically put lines where the ticks should occur. Of course, if you get knocked back at all then it gets screwed up, and you have to live with this texture for all your other casts as well.

 

• dragon12

In what way is SE broken? As posted in one of the threads here there are no issues caused by it only being applied once.
Edit2: turns out that this testing might not have been too accurate; regardless, it seems like there is a good chance that SE isn't broken just based on my own observations of my dps with and without it up by myself.

And when you say Affliction might be "upwardly skewed" by DS, what does that even mean? It's like saying Destro is upwardly skewed by Incinerate or something.


Edit:
This sounds perfect. Seeing the damage in SCT/MSBT is all very well but that's a reactive rather than a proactive method of knowing where the ticks are. Will try the texture tonight.

Stop thinking with your nuts and start thinking with the black and bitter ball of hatred buried in your chest

 

Zaleiria

They might not have intended for it to be a filler for <25%, since I get the impression the original rationale for the change was to make gathering shards easier, especially for non-affliction warlocks. Drain Soul offers a lot more damage for affliction than they were probably expecting.

(Unfortunately I don't have the text of the original blue post at hand, and I don't remember what was said specifically when they announced the change.)

 

CHaoTiCTeX

Mocnor, my answer to you would be this: are you hit capped?

If you are not, then i would invest in the ebonweave, if you are, then spellweave.

However, keep in mind, that the t7 (10-man) gloves are available for 60 emblems of heroism, and the chest is for 80.

 

Dotdot

Not much mention of Demo in here so far.

I managed 3800 dps on patches as Felguard/Emberstorm (missing 2% crit, I had to take one point in fel synergy to keep the pet up, our healers are bad and don't heal pets). Was about the same as the 0/13/53 lock for now but I'm still in 4pc t6 plus l70 chest.

Also not much mention of Master Demonologist/Shadow and Flame ... 0/30/40 +1 I tried it but didn't have the gear to pull it off. Suspect this will be a competitive spec once you have ilvl200+ in every slot, especially on fights that the imp can safely dps on the whole time.

 

DiamondTear

Is it possible to set it up like that? My slider for the dot filter ends at 500.

Edit: Got screenshots of the 50 debuff slots, in case someone cares: link.

 

Braiinchild

Late on the reply for this one, but it seems you have ISB in this fire destro build, which is far from perfect. Factor out ISB and put it into better talents. Also, in Backdraft's current state it seems to be next-to useless, seeing as it wastes one charge refreshing immolate and clips GCD on incin as is.

 

Medieval

is anyone raiding with 0/50/21? What are your results?

 

duhwhat

How much DPS loss did you see going from 5/5 to 4/5 Tactics and was the single point (285 HPS) enough to keep your FG alive? I'm in the same boat, and will be forced to spec at least one point into Synergy. I would be interested to see data on 3, 4, and 5/5 Tactics and 1/2 and 2/2 Fel Synergy.

As an aside, are you finding that this build does poorly in heroics?

 

nikitabanana

Well, that's a huge reason why I hate felguard emberstorm (on top of there being absolutely no synergy). You should really see more dps from 0/31/40 (not sure why anyone takes conflag over demonic empathy or even 1% crit over a highly active 1% dmg proc) dps wise simply due to the synergy. While felguards aren't that great, the master demo/demonic tactics combo + imp dps that should approach ~400dps on a test dummy unbuffed generally will win out. I did a lot of deep destro playing with chaos bolt and I found the only way to effectively dps as that spec (since my imp is so much of my dps) is to bind /petfollow to like, F1 and spam it anytime I have to move (aka flame wave on sarth).

Also, don't discount how effective pyroclasm can be (not you dotdot, but anyone in general) on a fight like 3 drake sarth where tanks are taking a lot of damage from adds. Any stun lowers the damage fairly significantly (shadowfury can effectively save a tank if you monitor their hp). So far the best I've done was on that patchwerk I posted (5332dps as 55/0/18). I'll try either chaos bolt or 0/41/30 (imp) today and see how they fare on a single target fight (which is fairly non-interesting anyways) as well as the rest of naxx/malygos/sarth.

 

Krazen

A cleaving felguard actually does quite well in heroics, but is there any challenge in heroics really?

On another note, for those of you specing as 0/30/40 + 1, where are you putting the +1?

You have a choice between Mana Feed, Demonic Empowerment, Demonic Knowledge, Empowered Imp, and Shadowfury.

 

Boop

Impressive. Curious - Heroism x2?

Wow Web Stats

Edit: Maybe Infernal got it and it's credited to you?

 

Tinava

I assume (I'm sure others will correct me if I'm wrong) the rotation is:

CB > Curse (agony or whateverassignment) > immo > incinxwhatever > Conflag > CB > Immo > Incin (refresh whatever's falling off, CB whenever off cooldown).

I also assume glyphs for this build would be CoA, Imp and Immolate, although there's the potential for swapping one out for the Conflag glyph.

Also, if you are on something other than agony, use corr to proc molten core.

Other locks...how correct is this?

 

Sidewalk

I believe the math I read in another thread here shows that: Conflag > Incinx3 is higher DPCT then throwing a CB / Immo into the backdraft

 

nikitabanana

Uh, probably the infernal. No way to get 2 heroisms in a 3:24 or whatever it was fight :P.

 

Trickykid

Weirdness:
02:21'12.093 Rydya gains Heroism.
02:21'12.144 Infernal gains Heroism.
02:21'12.392 Rydya gains Heroism.
02:21'12.397 Infernal gains Heroism.

Everyone in the raid got 2 heroisms within the same second.
Link: Wow Web Stats

 

Tinava

Could two heros be up at the same time if popped at the same second?