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Old 12/19/08, 9:33 AM   #426
neonew
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Hi im a newbie here and i have a question can someone tell my what shoul i do to improve my dps ?
i know it's not a best way to ask :P but here is my armory profile The World of Warcraft Armory, i cant reach more than 2,5 dps dunno why :/ i dont know mb it's beacuse of rotation, i dont know the best way how to use my skils in dungeon hc, and in raids :/ if someone could look at my profile and gice me some advice i'll be grateful

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Old 12/19/08, 9:47 AM   #427
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Quick question. With Afflic specs that have no points in Imp Felhunter - are you still using the puppy? Or do you have the Imp phased? Or the Imp attacking? I've only run Afflic with points in Imp Felhunter so I'm not sure how to go with the no points.

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Old 12/19/08, 10:01 AM   #428
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Originally Posted by Nerielle View Post
Quick question. With Afflic specs that have no points in Imp Felhunter - are you still using the puppy? Or do you have the Imp phased? Or the Imp attacking? I've only run Afflic with points in Imp Felhunter so I'm not sure how to go with the no points.
Currently, there's no good reason to use the Felhunter. Due to [some bug], it appears s/he stops attacking periodically (I have parses where her Shadow Bite procced only around 1/4th of the total time it should have), so the imp does more DPS.

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Old 12/19/08, 10:12 AM   #429
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Originally Posted by neonew View Post
Hi im a newbie here and i have a question can someone tell my what shoul i do to improve my dps ?
i know it's not a best way to ask :P but here is my armory profile The World of Warcraft Armory, i cant reach more than 2,5 dps dunno why :/ i dont know mb it's beacuse of rotation, i dont know the best way how to use my skils in dungeon hc, and in raids :/ if someone could look at my profile and gice me some advice i'll be grateful
My first suggestion is to pull all your yellow gems and replace them with +hit gems. You're DPS seems okay considering where you're at
Spellpower wise. Check the Destruction thread for some suggestions on Destro playstyle as well.

Also, remember that your overall DPS is in part a function of raid makeup. Many things will increase your output when present, namely Elemental shammies, mages, moonkin and/or Unholy DKs.

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Old 12/21/08, 4:55 AM   #430
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Here's what I've put together as a possible spec allowing us to break higher into the 5000 DPS range.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

You'd be using an imp (of course) in conjunction with CoA, Immolate, and SL glyphs.
It's also a possibility to swap out the CoA glyph for an Imp glyph, although I'm not sure if this would be a DPS increase or not.

I'll be sure to try this on Patchwerk this week, let me know what you guys think, it's possible that this might have some merit.

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Old 12/21/08, 8:20 AM   #431
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While I agree with the three points in Imp Imp, I'd be worried about running the Imp oom with Demonic Power. I'd also be worried about investing 5 points into something that I can't use on all fights.

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Old 12/21/08, 12:13 PM   #432
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That build is not bad at all. Atleast with my gear lvl it is better than the "standard" affliction spec (using simulationcraft). But I would go for the imp glyph over CoA glyph. Hell, I would go for any glyph over that.

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Old 12/21/08, 7:16 PM   #433
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My reasoning behind the spec is that it'd basically add the DPS that would feel like another DOT. On a 2 second tick, my imp was auto-attacking the target dummies in Orgrimmar for about 750-800 unbuffed with only CoE up. It seems quite reasonable to drop points out of ruin considering how low my crit rate is (13.5%).

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Old 12/21/08, 7:35 PM   #434
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Originally Posted by Viralrush View Post
Here's what I've put together as a possible spec allowing us to break higher into the 5000 DPS range.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

You'd be using an imp (of course) in conjunction with CoA, Immolate, and SL glyphs.
It's also a possibility to swap out the CoA glyph for an Imp glyph, although I'm not sure if this would be a DPS increase or not.

I'll be sure to try this on Patchwerk this week, let me know what you guys think, it's possible that this might have some merit.
So I've been looking at something like this, mainly because:

Ruin affects something like 6% of an Affliction lock's damage [20% crit rate, SB makes up around 30% of our damage]
ISB is even worse: We only get the full benefit of it when we have a crit, followed by 4 more SBs, which as an affliction lock, isn't that common, especially since the chance of that happening works out to something like .2^5 anyway.

Anyway, I don't have simcraft running, so if someone wanted to compare numbers on that the the classic, it would be MUCH appreciated.

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Old 12/21/08, 7:54 PM   #435
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Why does everyone say Imp is better? What if you just...periodically press the pet attack button? It's just a habit of mine to press the pet attack button every 30-60 seconds, just because it's an easy button to press, and I've never encountered that felhunter bug. Are you guys who are having the problem using it on defensive?

If it is assumed the felhunter is attacking the whole time, how much better is his DPS over imps? Also, by using the imp you make the assumption that he won't die, when in fights with AoE he often can, Thaddius comes to mind, but if you get him to attack from afar he might not get chained to. But Felhunter has high resistances and takes a lot less damage than the imp, in addition to pretty much always being around melee range to pick up loose chain heals.

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Old 12/21/08, 8:34 PM   #436
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Originally Posted by Turbo Moses View Post
If it is assumed the felhunter is attacking the whole time, how much better is his DPS over imps? Also, by using the imp you make the assumption that he won't die, when in fights with AoE he often can, Thaddius comes to mind, but if you get him to attack from afar he might not get chained to. But Felhunter has high resistances and takes a lot less damage than the imp, in addition to pretty much always being around melee range to pick up loose chain heals.
Thaddius is a bad example because my imp has never died there. I place him between the groups and he only gets the chain lightning damage.

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Old 12/21/08, 8:52 PM   #437
Affe
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I ran a variant of the build suggested through SimCraft, and it was as I recall 200-300 dps higher than the "standard" affliction spec. I am currently formating my computer (damn vista eating fps in wow), so I dont have the exact numbers, but it is better if you ask SimCraft. And why wouldn't it be? Its basically moving non-critical talent points that gives a major buff to the imp.

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with:

#
# imp/aff Warlock
#
warlock=Warlock_53_3_14
level=80
talents=http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IfxMbzMAoVi0IstcZVMGM
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1/curse_of_agony/corruption/unstable_affliction/siphon_life
actions+=/shadow_bolt,shadow_trance=1/drain_soul,target_pct=25/immolate/shadow_bolt/life_tap
chaotic_skyflare=1
# Glyphs
glyph_imp=1
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_siphon_life=1
# Pets
pet=imp
actions=fire_bolt
blessing_of_kings=1
blessing_of_wisdom=1
sanctified_retribution=1
quiet=1
active=owner
# Throw in a pair of Paladins.......  Eventually these static parms will be replaced with real actors.
blessing_of_kings=1
blessing_of_wisdom=1
sanctified_retribution=1
A note is that the Warlock_56_0_15 uses CoA glyph which is inferior to immolate glyph. But I would conclude that this spec wins. Pets doesn't scale well, so at some point 56/0/15 would beat it.
Also pet survivability is an issue. At some fights no pet survives for long, and then that would be 5 wasted talentpoints.

Last edited by Affe : 12/21/08 at 9:15 PM.

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Old 12/21/08, 9:50 PM   #438
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Originally Posted by Deceptionx View Post
Also still unsure if I should swap to the 25 spell dmg meta over chaotic. Server is also insanely laggy at peak times for raiding. Aff is so frustrating with lag. =(
Pandemic doesn't scale with Chaotic, so 25 spell power is still probably your best bet.

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Old 12/21/08, 10:44 PM   #439
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Originally Posted by Affe View Post
I ran a variant of the build suggested through SimCraft, and it was as I recall 200-300 dps higher than the "standard" affliction spec. I am currently formating my computer (damn vista eating fps in wow), so I dont have the exact numbers, but it is better if you ask SimCraft. And why wouldn't it be? Its basically moving non-critical talent points that gives a major buff to the imp.

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with:

#
# imp/aff Warlock
#
warlock=Warlock_53_3_14
level=80
talents=http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IfxMbzMAoVi0IstcZVMGM
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1/curse_of_agony/corruption/unstable_affliction/siphon_life
actions+=/shadow_bolt,shadow_trance=1/drain_soul,target_pct=25/immolate/shadow_bolt/life_tap
chaotic_skyflare=1
# Glyphs
glyph_imp=1
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_siphon_life=1
# Pets
pet=imp
actions=fire_bolt
blessing_of_kings=1
blessing_of_wisdom=1
sanctified_retribution=1
quiet=1
active=owner
# Throw in a pair of Paladins.......  Eventually these static parms will be replaced with real actors.
blessing_of_kings=1
blessing_of_wisdom=1
sanctified_retribution=1
A note is that the Warlock_56_0_15 uses CoA glyph which is inferior to immolate glyph. But I would conclude that this spec wins. Pets doesn't scale well, so at some point 56/0/15 would beat it.
Also pet survivability is an issue. At some fights no pet survives for long, and then that would be 5 wasted talentpoints.
Toss my build in there and see how that fairs. Assume 12.47% chance to hit base.

Last edited by Viralrush : 12/21/08 at 11:01 PM.

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Old 12/22/08, 2:18 AM   #440
Twizzilight
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Hi! This is my first post, but I thought I'd share my thoughts about a spec I discovered and tried. My warlock doesn't have the best gear (Heroics, 10-man Naxx Gear), but if you want to take a look at the kind of gear I have, my character is Oscorky, gnome warlock on Alterac Mountains.

This is a variation of the 0/41/30 build, originally designed for felguard/incinerate. After doing several heroics and a few 10-man raids, I decided that I couldn't rely on felguard survivability without good druid and priest healers, and that sometimes the tank preferred to have blood pact (because we don't have a steady warrior running with us).

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The play style is identical - you just replace the felguard with an imp, of course with the appropriate talent changes. I feel like my imp seems to survive a lot more and is easier to place than the felguard (especially on fights like sapphiron, with moving blizzards). CoA, Corruption, Immolate, and Incinerate until you have to refresh dots. The main difference is that Master Demonologist with an imp is 5% more fire damage and 5% more crit on fire spells, which gives you 20% crit on your fire spells from talents (15% general spells), as opposed to just 15% crit on all general spells. The imp itself might do slightly less damage than the felguard, but my experience is the buff to your damage is more significant. I was hitting about 3300-3700 DPS in 10-man raids, but I don't have any WWS. I'll try to bring my lock to a 25-man or post parses of other locks in the guild with this spec.

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Old 12/22/08, 4:22 AM   #441
Jerrybear24
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Gnome Warlock
 
Deathwing
Twizzilight, if your having trouble keeping your Felguard alive i would suggest going with the 30/40 +1 spec as it is based around not using your felguard but your imp + dots and incinerate. Not amazing gear but in 3 piece valorous 2 piece hero's in that spec I do around 4700 on Patchwerk 10 mans with a restoration shaman (not elemental).

http://wowwebstats.com/izujzamrvnl65?s=169843-179416 are the stats from our last 10 man. 25 man depending on the raid setup boosts the my dps with a elemental shaman. Just in your spec it doesn't seem worth it since your basically trading your felguard for 1% to critically hit. If your going to go that deep, go down and get shadow and flame and don't dip as far down into demonology.

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Old 12/22/08, 4:24 AM   #442
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If you have a problem with your felhunter not attacking, just put it on defensive. Each offensive spell you cast will trigger its attack. And instead of using /petfollow to pull your pet back, just use /petpassive .

Adjusting your spec to boost your imp is also something you might want to consider with early lvl 80 gear. Warlock pets do not scale. As your gear improves your dots and sbolt dps will improve, your imp will pretty much stay where it is. Additionally, especially in 25 person raids, using a felhunter over imp is just worth it for the spirit buffs.

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Not amazing gear but in 3 piece valorous 2 piece hero's in that spec I do around 4700 on Patchwerk 10 mans with a restoration shaman (not elemental).
And a boomkin and a mage. You can hardly stack a 10 person raid more caster friendly. Replace owl and mage with physical dps and you are looking at something like 3800 dps there. Plus you still exceed your average crit by a good 10% to 15%.
But yeah, if you have mostly lvl 80 raiding stuff, 31/40 demon/destro is a better spec and will only get better as your gear improves as shadow/flame becomes more powerful.

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Old 12/22/08, 7:34 AM   #443
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Originally Posted by Blacksen View Post
Pandemic doesn't scale with Chaotic, so 25 spell power is still probably your best bet.
Chaotic is still the best meta gem, even for affliction.

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Old 12/22/08, 7:40 AM   #444
Tornwings
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Even so, with this patch I'm sure if you don't go affliction you will want to get chaos bolt, rendering the 0/30/40 +1 or 0/41/30 specs mostly useless for real raiding. But who knows, some of the demo talents might prove to scale better (mainly I'm looking at 5% more damage from master demonologist with an imp out)

edit: do you ever sleep, myst?

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Old 12/22/08, 7:56 AM   #445
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Originally Posted by Mystearica View Post
Chaotic is still the best meta gem, even for affliction.
What is your math for this?

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Old 12/22/08, 12:00 PM   #446
Affe
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[Ember Skyflare Diamond] beats the [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] as affliction if you run it through SimCraft. And it comes as no surprise as 25 SP is more than twice as good as 21 crit rating, and the 3% increased critical damage does not affect pandemic (afaik). Nevertheless we are talking small numbers, 5-10 dps.

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Old 12/22/08, 2:17 PM   #447
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I stand corrected then. I was under the assumption that Choatic was still best.

And yes hunts I do sleep.

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Old 12/22/08, 2:28 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by Affe View Post
and the 3% increased critical damage does not affect pandemic (afaik)
There's no reason that Pandemic would be affected by the 3% bonus. Pandemic is a separate damage effect based on a proc that happens to be in relation to your crit chance. As affliction the only things that the bonus would influence are Shadow Bolt, Immolate, and Haunt (which isn't even affected by Ruin).

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Old 12/22/08, 4:51 PM   #449
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Originally Posted by Mindaika View Post
So I've been looking at something like this, mainly because:

Ruin affects something like 6% of an Affliction lock's damage [20% crit rate, SB makes up around 30% of our damage]
ISB is even worse: We only get the full benefit of it when we have a crit, followed by 4 more SBs, which as an affliction lock, isn't that common, especially since the chance of that happening works out to something like .2^5 anyway.

Anyway, I don't have simcraft running, so if someone wanted to compare numbers on that the the classic, it would be MUCH appreciated.
I've got ~15% crit unbuffed, that goes much higher in a raid, 32% at least.

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Old 12/23/08, 3:07 AM   #450
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So i've really been debating whether 2/3 eradication is better to take than 1/3 cataclysm? i do know 2/3 MC is better then 3/3 cataclysm. what are all of your thoughts on this matter?

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