If it wasn't clear, I was also referring to affliction locks specifically. Getting hit capped for affliction spells as demo/destro is clearly not worth it.
If it wasn't clear, I was also referring to affliction locks specifically. Getting hit capped for affliction spells as demo/destro is clearly not worth it.
Precisely my opinion.
On a side note though - Is it worth going for 17%-3%-1%-3%=10% cap, thus counting on the shadow priest/moonkin to stay alive during the fight? Or should I actually aim for 13% "to be on the safe side" ? I get the feeling I can squeeze out quite a lot more sp/crit/haste out of gear by loosing 3% haste.
On a side note though - Is it worth going for 17%-3%-1%-3%=10% cap, thus counting on the shadow priest/moonkin to stay alive during the fight? Or should I actually aim for 13% "to be on the safe side" ? I get the feeling I can squeeze out quite a lot more sp/crit/haste out of gear by loosing 3% haste.
I just have an 11% set and a 14% set. Sometimes that's harder than it sounds, but I think it's important to have sets that maximize the hit you need incase you don't (our SPriest is unreliable), but I guess it depends on your raid which you want to build your "main" set around, I personally build mine around 14%, but that's because it's really easy for me too. If you have a lot of solid trinkets you can just swap in a dying curse/mark of the war prisoner to get to your cap. Although, I don't know many people who would ever have to swap IN a Dying Curse for anything, mine's always equipped for PvE.
Has anyone done the math on the value of keeping Suppression for the reduced mana cost, as opposed to sticking those three points into (I'm assuming) Fel Concentration. I know it's hard to model the value of reduced pushback, wondered if anyone had any anecdotal evidence for it.
I am interested in the reduced mana cost part of Supression as well. I am beginning to doubt the value of Fel Concentration as a worthwhile PvE talent. Its not giving you 70% pushback to all of your spells, just your affliction ones. The majority of the time I am casting something, it is shadow bolt which gains zero benefit from Fel Concentration. The only time I feel it is useful is for casting Drain Soul post-25%.
I'm also interested in other opinions on this matter. Also can intensity possibly be better since most of the actual casts are shadow bolts? Also only two points need to be invested to prevent 70% of pushback for shadow bolt and immolate vs. 3 points to prevent 70% pushback for UA, Haunt, and DS.
I'm sorry I haven't gotten a chance to provide a proper WWS yet so I'm not sure if anyone can really help me without that, but I did download and use the warlock dps spreadsheet, and I am very confused. I have double and tripple checked the information on the spreadsheet and in theory I should be doing 4k DPS self buffed. However, I am standing at the dummy in Org and getting only 2.5k DPS max (without popping my 1 trinket just to get a baseline). I used to not use Immolate but this spreadsheet leads me to believe I should be using Immolate, but when I do it raises my DPS by a very small margin, about 3.2% of my total damage, and not what I expected according to this spreadsheet. Would a WWS of the dummy in Org be useless or could I get that data and perhaps find my problem? Finally, the real reason I am so confused is according to this spreadsheet I have decent gear, obviously there are upgrades but I'm finding most of my items very high on the list with only a few different items to chose from to raise my dps and usually by no more then 20dps. Any help would be very appreciated, as I have looked everywhere and tried everything possible and can't figure this out, unless of course I could be completely mistaken and 2.5k DPS on the dummy is good for what I have, but I doubt it.
Edit : Just wanted to clarify the trinket only adds about 100-200 DPS when I pop it before starting to attack the dummy.
Immolate is definitely something you should always using in your rotation no matter what. Especially when you get the glyph, which is currently the best glyph we can get as affliction. Also your dps on a spreadsheet is going to be higher no matter what, because we do not spam one-button anymore, so it is impossible to gain the 100% DoT uptime that the spreadsheet assumes. Also pandemic does not work on target dummmies and only hits for 1.
Immolate is definitely something you should always using in your rotation no matter what. Especially when you get the glyph, which is currently the best glyph we can get as affliction. Also your dps on a spreadsheet is going to be higher no matter what, because we do not spam one-button anymore, so it is impossible to gain the 100% DoT uptime that the spreadsheet assumes. Also pandemic does not work on target dummmies and only hits for 1.
Thanks for your response, we are about to run 10 man Naxx and I'll run a WWS for Patchwerk and maybe someone can see why my dps seems so low.
No luck in the destro thread, but any thoughts on 0/33/38 spec? going for 3/3 DK and 3/3 SnF. Perhaps the additional spell damage to ALL your spells may outweigh the additional 8% to incinerate. Tried 30/41 and 33/38 on the target dummy very briefly and 33/38 came out ahead but crit could of been a factor. Looking to try it out tomorrow for naxx to see how it will do in a raid setting. Let me know what you guys think.
No luck in the destro thread, but any thoughts on 0/33/38 spec? going for 3/3 DK and 3/3 SnF. Perhaps the additional spell damage to ALL your spells may outweigh the additional 8% to incinerate. Tried 30/41 and 33/38 on the target dummy very briefly and 33/38 came out ahead but crit could of been a factor. Looking to try it out tomorrow for naxx to see how it will do in a raid setting. Let me know what you guys think.
Could you atleast link the specs? Hard to compare them when you don't link them.
I'm sorry I haven't gotten a chance to provide a proper WWS yet so I'm not sure if anyone can really help me without that, but I did download and use the warlock dps spreadsheet, and I am very confused. I have double and tripple checked the information on the spreadsheet and in theory I should be doing 4k DPS self buffed. However, I am standing at the dummy in Org and getting only 2.5k DPS max (without popping my 1 trinket just to get a baseline). I used to not use Immolate but this spreadsheet leads me to believe I should be using Immolate, but when I do it raises my DPS by a very small margin, about 3.2% of my total damage, and not what I expected according to this spreadsheet. Would a WWS of the dummy in Org be useless or could I get that data and perhaps find my problem? Finally, the real reason I am so confused is according to this spreadsheet I have decent gear, obviously there are upgrades but I'm finding most of my items very high on the list with only a few different items to chose from to raise my dps and usually by no more then 20dps. Any help would be very appreciated, as I have looked everywhere and tried everything possible and can't figure this out, unless of course I could be completely mistaken and 2.5k DPS on the dummy is good for what I have, but I doubt it.
Edit : Just wanted to clarify the trinket only adds about 100-200 DPS when I pop it before starting to attack the dummy.
Make sure you take off things like Scorch, misery, aff debuffs etc from the dps page.
No luck in the destro thread, but any thoughts on 0/33/38 spec? going for 3/3 DK and 3/3 SnF. Perhaps the additional spell damage to ALL your spells may outweigh the additional 8% to incinerate. Tried 30/41 and 33/38 on the target dummy very briefly and 33/38 came out ahead but crit could of been a factor. Looking to try it out tomorrow for naxx to see how it will do in a raid setting. Let me know what you guys think.
sorry, i can't provide you with wws i just forget to tell the client to do it, when i finaly made it into game (i had to work longer then i expected and then i was in a hurry).
I was 0/40/31 and 0/41/30 before and i must say, those builts felt a little bit stronger and more convinient to play. Their rotation is simple and easier to handle then my current one. 2/13/56. After having things under control after about 2 hours, and have played 3 more hours with it. I must say i liked the way it's played but i didn't like my direct damage on bosses, aoe was ok i think. I finished the raid with about 1800dps for the last 3 hours.
I used the following rotation: CoA, CB, Immolate, Incinerate,.... Conflagerate, recasting CB as soon aspossible, and so on...
I used the imp glyp, coa Glyph and the Immolate one.
if someone has some remarks, you're welcome.
anyway, that's not what i wanted to ask you.
I wondered, how well does deep destro scale?
and more important: how good is soul lech (together with improved soul lech)? I was considering putting them into unholy power...
and please, don't just throw a few numbers at me. I'm not that good at that, i did a search and found some information but couldn't get any wiser of it. (or i didn't use the right keywords, english is not my native language).
Right now haunt/ruin WILL outscale/dps any other warlock spec. Unless you are really lacking raid comp. I mean you people are talking about ~2k dps on the dummys, you should be at least 2800. I can push the heroic test to about 3700 with lucky RNG. Post your spec/rotation/stats. Maybe someone can help you.
Right now haunt/ruin WILL outscale/dps any other warlock spec. Unless you are really lacking raid comp. I mean you people are talking about ~2k dps on the dummys, you should be at least 2800. I can push the heroic test to about 3700 with lucky RNG. Post your spec/rotation/stats. Maybe someone can help you.
Yea I can ht about the same, currently with 0 rng self buffed, 31/40 and that will go up come tuesday with the deep destro build and conflag glyph.
tbh affliction may be getting a run for it's money, toss is other factors like the advantageous ability to dps something very quickly IE drakes on 3 sarth.
I'm this 0/33/38 spec and f'ing loving it. I highly recommend it. I did 4200 DPS on 10 man Patchwerk tonight, much much higher than I was managing with full Affliction or Destruction.
I'm this 0/33/38 spec and f'ing loving it. I highly recommend it. I did 4200 DPS on 10 man Patchwerk tonight, much much higher than I was managing with full Affliction or Destruction.
Depends on your gear I guess, since I manage to get 5k DPS on Patchwerk as Affliction in 10 man.
Depends on your gear I guess, since I manage to get 5k DPS on Patchwerk as Affliction in 10 man.
Affliction may or may not be better DPS (it probably is), but I find it agonizing to play. Staring at DoTimer or whatever the whole fight isn't my idea of fun.
I'll gladly sacrifice a little DPS for a gain in fun.
And yes, you have 190 more spell damage via gear than I do. I imagine that makes quite a bit of a difference, although I have more haste and crit than you for obvious purposes (spec).
Last edited by Viper007Bond : 01/11/09 at 11:59 AM.
Affliction may or may not be better DPS (it probably is), but I find it agonizing to play. Staring at DoTimer or whatever the whole fight isn't my idea of fun.
I'll gladly sacrifice a little DPS for a gain in fun.
And yes, you have 190 more spell damage via gear than I do. I imagine that makes quite a bit of a difference, although I have more haste and crit than you for obvious purposes (spec).
properly played, you do not spent a lot of time keeping track of your dotimer.
timers like nugrunning sort your dots in order of their duration on the target. all you have to do is observing the dot which is at top of all others. if it has e.g. 8 seconds left you keep it in mind and spent your time watching encounterbars, aoe...
practice it on the dummies and you will quickly maximazing your dot uptime. i never outperformed deep affliction with any other spec i tried. maybe there is a difference in your raid comp when you compared hybrid destro speccs with full affi.
patchwerk 5,6k compared to 5k imp/s&f specc or thaddius 7,3k/affi 6k/hybrid
hope it´ll help, in case you can read my improper english
01/08/09, 8:22 AM
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