trangoul

There are quite a few people showing 6k+ DPS with Meta/Ruin. The math, and reason this is possible, comes from shorter fights. If your patch is 3 minutes on the nose, Meta is up only ~17% of the time, in shorter fights, say 2 minutes, meta is up about 25% of the time. The damage spikes you get from meta are inflated in these shorter fights, so higher dps than sustainable in a 3 minute fights comes out. (Basically the same argument as heroism adding much more dps in short fights than it does in longer fights.) Also, as should be obvious, since the damage from meta is multiplicative with other buffs, popping it with heroism can easily put your dps to unreasonably high numbers for that duration.

 

Mayorsayer

Demonic Pact in a Meta/Ruin build only is wanted in a raid without Elly Shammy dropping wrath totem. AFAIK Demonic Pact overwrites wrath totem completely which seems like a bug to me. Sure you can give the raid extra SP but then everyone misses out on the 3% crit buff. Seems to me like you should only overwrite the +SP portion of the totem buff.

 

Feefes

The 3% crit part is a debuff on the mob, seperate to the spellpower buff.

 

RedneckEmperor20

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned it before, I am a college student and don't have time to read 28 pages of posts, but I am running WoW on a labtop. This labtop was designed to allow me to do my homework the best way possible. When I am in a boss fight or even a trash pull where there is alot of AoE damage, my comp decides its time to pull out the recliner and relax. It tells me it is a highly intelligent encyclopedia of knowledge, not a athlete.

Now, that being said, I have come to a conclusion after many days of research and experimentation that if you have the luxury of owning a gaming computer then Affliction is the best spec for you. Going deep Affliction with Haunt and getting down into Destructive Reach on the Destructive tree is always going to be the best unless Blizz finally decides its time to make a change. But, if your like me and have a comp were your frames go down to 1-3 fps then it maybe best for you to make a change. The guild I am in really pushes its team to do the best they can and when I am fighting Sarth 3D and I see still shots of the game instead a video, I begin to wonder if I am keeping up with the other members on the dps charts. 75% of the time I am not because of not being able to see when for sure that my dots are ticking off.

That being said, I've tried to devise a way to pre-time my dots and its becoming to much of a hassle. So, Meta-Ruin has become a friendly spec for me. No, it will not keep up with Affliction Locks, No it will not keep you up with many Mages/Rogues, but you can do really good damage but have raid support. It was mentioned earlier that Demonic Pact makes Shamans totems useless but it really doesn't since Shamans are still great raid healers, Enhance Shammies bring insance dps, and elemental are....I'll stop there, lol.

No spec is horrible, just right now, Affliction is going to be the best. At lvl 70, Destro/DS was the only spec you could have if you wanted to be OP. I am happy we have a challenge now, but hope it is made some what simplier for us in the near future, hopefully with Ulduar. BTW, if you have any suggestions on how to pre-time dots with low fps, plz post them or even pm me, I'd appreciate it.

 

nuibank

A computer that can keep a decent framerate in all scenarios in wow is not a luxury, and hasn't been for awhile. Your laptop probably cost more than a desktop that could keep a playable framerate in raids.

 

tommynw

I guess I am stupid but I cannot find a Talent build showing which talents to select for the 0/30/40+1 build. Can someone please direct my uneducated self? Thank you.

 

Silvanaa

 

Orgath

Post #1 on the Simcraft 3.1 thread has all calculated profiles linked.

 

hbalsack

I would say that a FG 0/41/30 build might be your best option. It does very good damage ( comparable to Affliction without the DG). The big adavantage is that the Felguard does 1000dps on most boss fights and it's damage will not be affected by lag or framerate. On top of that it's a 3 dot rotation and incinerate spam which is again fairly forgiving on dot timing. As long as Immolate is up you are good to spam Incinerate. Corr and CoA are up to proc Molten Core mostly, and the timing on keeping these up is not critical to performing well.

 

valheran

I was under impression channeled spells do not gain time between ticks when you suffer pushback, just lose maximum time up. So, in a fight with heavy pushback @25% & lower, non-improved DS gets advantage even over intensive 2/2 SB, instead losing abit of its mana effectiveness (since you have to recast it more often).

Is this correct?

 

Silvanaa

The 3.1 simcraft thread only has links to the 3.1 builds, not the 3.0.9 builds.

 

Orgath

And pre 3.1 the 0/30/40+1 build is inferior to FG/Ember, Deep Aff, Deep Destro and Meta/Ruin,
thus why I assume he is looking for 3.1 details.

 

Supercrazy

Hey, i was thinking about trying out this spec, wanna try something other then aff

WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Warlock -> Talent Calculator

Using these glyphs: FG, Immo, Corrup

Anyone give me an opinion on what glyphs would be best for this spec?

 

Leyah

You spec 3% hit for Destruction Spells but not for Affliction? why?

The Glyphs you want to use are ok

 

Supercrazy

Why would i for affliction? lol

 

• Heeno

There is no reason to spec into hit for affliciton with a meta/ruin spec. DoTs in this spec are not very powerful and do not suffer to a high extent from not being hit capped. If a DoT misses, it is easy to just recast it and only lose a GCD. There are just too many better talent choices offered by the deep demonology tree over 3% affliction hit.

 

Buhly

Hi Folks,

My Warlock has not hit 80 yet. In case of that i'm in search for a Spec to run which can ofer hit by talents and be a Demo/Destro Mix.
I plan with 3.1 talents and figured out something like this:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Can this be a viable Spec to start raiding and even after earning enough +hit Items change the Specc in something like:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
or
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

 

angaroth

1) Don't go 41 into Demo without getting the Felguard.
2) Maximize Master Demonologist before spending on Demonic Tactics.
3) Depending on your gear, a point in MD might be more DPS than a point in Demonic Knowledge. Check the math for your case.

 

Warlocomotif

Although this post isn't aprticularly recent, I just wnat to point out that it's not strictly 2 minute kills that has meta ruin at 6k dps. It happens quite a lot in 3 minute kills aswell.

The mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's open.

 

hugsofdeath

im running 0/41/30 and love it, but I am not 100% on weither crit or haste should be my #2 stat after spell power.

Im trying to get a little bit of both, until i hear or find out otherwise.

thx and if someone wouldnt mind and checking out my build and letting me know how my gear set-up looks so far, id appreciate it.

 

MarcAntony

You need to check out the simcraft & Demo threads - scaling and itemization are posted in there.

But I can quickly tell you that you should by no means itemize for crit, as its only worth about 40% of 1pt of spelldmg and around 60% of haste.

1) Spelldmg
2) Haste
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...........................
3) Crit

 

Asilpop

For Yogg-Saron, what spec are you using successfully? I'm finding that any felgaurd spec is failing. Either I put him on passive or he runs through the green clouds. Phase 2 he dies on melee targets too often.

 

Skelos

Affliction is the best spec for Yogg-Saron due to him being almost at <25% for all of phase 3. Not to mention you can also DoT corruptors and constrictors while running around to the next crusher.

 

molson

Last 2 weeks I've run Yogg as FG. AFAIK, pet don't spawn adds in P1 by running through clouds, at least not that I've seen. I keep him on passive in P2 and micromanage him to attack constrictors/corruptors while I burn crushers, FS is enough to top him off at all times. The idea of running aff and having DS pretty much from the start of P3 is intriguing though, I might have to give that a shot. Then again when the next patch hits it will all probably be a moot point :x

 

supplicium

FG is a terrible pet for yogg, you can't attack your main dps target in p2, crusher tentacles, and affliction has one of the best abilities for p3, Drain soul. With out going into much detail it allows you to mitigate massive amounts of abilities.