Even if I can't provide the maths right now, I highly doubt this is the case. Remember that you won't spam immolate, it's damage per cast time is high but the percentage of your damage which originates from the spell is fairly low. Therefore a 10% increase to immolate is alot smaller than a 10% increase to shadowbolt which will be a substantial part of your damage (Around 35-40%).

Shadow Mastery is 15%, besides ISB will boost all my dots except Immolate.

@Cigaras:

ISB doesn't affect DoTs anymore.


Impressive.

Have you tried Meta/Ruin yet with that gear? I used the spec in our first 10-man Naxx while still sporting a full Sunwell kit and did pretty well:

Patchwerk

I'm thinking with your gear you'd be able to put out close to 5k. I might try it again myself in a 25-man setting but my gear is pretty much chosen exclusively for Affliction so I might not be able to put up the numbers.

ISB only affects direct damage spells now, not dots.

I'm gonna make some more tests when I get home since I also started to think about Molten Core vs ISB. I think it's fair to say MC will be up more or less 100% with all the dots on that can trigger it. So it's basically 10% more damage to Immolate or 10% dmg on some Shadow Bolts. The ISB uptime is also really low at the moment since I guess I'm not the only one running around with a crit% in the 11-14% range...

Plus if you go for 2/3 Molten Core you will have Cataclysm, which you wont have if you go 15 points Destro with 5/5 ISB.

Reaching Cataclysm is a good point, oh and Shadow Mastery is 15% yeah, sorry I must have misunderstood your point since I can't imagine any kind of affliction build not having 5/5 in that talent. And regarding ISB, I consider it being up quite a bit anyway since with all the raidbuffs which increases crit rate, you'll end up at fairly high ratings anyway.

0/50/21 Wow Web Stats I have been trying a few different specs and to date the best for me has been this. I plan on trying the 41/30 build next week and comparing my results. I have the same FPS issue as the other demo warlock posted above me I find this spec the best suited for me at the moment till I upgrade comps.

I am curious about Meta/Ruin would I be casting Incinerate or Shadow Bolts?

Yes. 4% crit for you and the pet in exchange for some passive pet healing is a mistake. "Smart" AoE heals will heal the pet if he takes dmg, and health funnel ticks for a ridiculous amount (i get 1350ish in complete crap gear). Take 5/5 Demonic Tactics.

Also, I've been running FG/Emberstorm and hve this question: What glyphs? I'm planning on corruption, agony, and felguard....the latter two have limited availability on my server atm. Any thoughts on this?

WoWHead Talent - 53/0/18

You get molten core uptime of about 60% with only DoTs, SB and haunt will increase this. A 6% incrase (60%x10%) to a ~10% spell is roughly 0.6% increase per point. This weighs fairly equally against the two hit talents, where as the next point only gives you 0.25% increase per point and thus falls below the hit talents. A conservative estimate of 65% uptime on ISB puts it at around the 0.4% increase per point.

Balanced Hit talents with only a need of 26 more hit.

Thoughts?

[e] WoWHead Talent - 53/0/18 - 3/3 Supression Added if you don't mind uncapped Destruction hit (~0.4% dps loss)

I've been running 0/13/58 and I did (although I don't have wws, I'll try to find the recount screenshot) like 4600ish dps on Patchwerk. I don't have a really good mainhand yet - but my issue picking a spec right now is that theoretically, affliction should outdps destro - at least via all known simulations. However, empirically, I'm still struggling to find examples of this.

I mean, rng obviously plays a huge roll. Nonetheless - 3m30s fights don't really tell us much about sustained dps. I mean, Maalakai did solid dps obviously and it's making me curious about trying affliction and doing comparisons (damn resets only once a week, I want to fight everything every day to further tune things) - but I just empirically, other then his dps output, haven't seen affliction top any of my totals - and for him it was very little on an extremely short fight. I don't do 2/13/56 due to shadowfury being semi clutch on some things and me deciding to just grab that extra bit of hit from cataclysm (I lose 10% on CoA). I also haven't found a CoA glyph which would obviously up my dps due to less recasting (albeit slightly) - but I'd love to see more empirical data and will also get a hold of my data as well.

My 4600ish was with old world flasks, old world food, and flamecaps.

I'll try to get a wws parse from our next kill but if anyone else has parses post them because like I said - I'm not convinced either way since I've seen empirical data showing both being competitive with each other. The bonus of my spec is I bring imp healthstones, for whatever that's worth >.>.

Mal, have you tried 2/3/56 or some derivative? I tend to chaos bolt, immolate, coa, and incinerate, then conflag at around 3-4ish seconds, etc. I don't use corruption as I feel it's a waste of a gcd for minimal molten core uptime.


edit: Most of my gear was still sunwell gear, and I was still using the 4pc bonus (which I've totally replaced now). So hopefully I'll see an increase even with losing the 6% incinerate bonus. Overall in my preliminary tests, it should be a dps increase even without the bonus. Also, our pwerk kill was with 8 healers so it was bit longer (we're not going for dps records or anything but instead gearing people up, hence a slightly slower fight).

While everyone seems to be talking about 0.13.51 variations, I was wondering if anyone has run as 7.3.58+3. Given the relatively low levels of spirit on T6 raiding gear, Aegis is only adding a small amount of additional damage. Wouldn't imp. Lifetap be a better option here? This also opens up the option for max rank healthstone, shadowfury, or additional points in imp. Corruption depending on your raid makeup and playstyle. I'm personally looking at running this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

This build is assuming I'm the only warlock and on curse duty, hence the options for the additional points.

I can't see why you would happily be on curse duty. A DK or Moonkin would really make you life easier: CoA is much better than Corr for Molten Core upkeep - the use of Corr is marginal at best - and both Ebon Plaguebringer and E&M are better than Destro CoE.

If you are looking for 5mans or 10mans without DKs/Moonkins I would really reccommend Affliction or push for one of the aforementioned classes in your raid. Destruction is perfectly viable, but just in your situation Affliction seems to be better when there are no 13% buffers around.