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02/12/09, 2:19 PM
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#646
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by olindra
I have 14.83% hit from gear, one point in both hit talents , and we always raid with a spriest.
That being said, my question is this: Often in raid during my rotation I will notice immolate doesn't apply to the boss and when I check recount it doesn't show any miss, has anyone else noticed this ( bug? ) as well?
Also sorry if this isn't the right thread for the question, and if so please move it to the right one.
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A search for 'immolate miss' should give you an idea where to start. It's also in the first post of Warlock Bugs.
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02/12/09, 5:19 PM
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#647
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Banned
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Originally Posted by olindra
I have 14.83% hit from gear, one point in both hit talents , and we always raid with a spriest.
That being said, my question is this: Often in raid during my rotation I will notice immolate doesn't apply to the boss and when I check recount it doesn't show any miss, has anyone else noticed this ( bug? ) as well?
Also sorry if this isn't the right thread for the question, and if so please move it to the right one.
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When you attempt to cast spells such as Corr over a more powerful version (boosted with a trinket, for example), the game throws up a "A More Powerful Version of That Spell Is Active" message.
When you try to do the same thing with Immo, the game does not let you know what happened. Therefore, the Immolate doesn't go off and you are left trying to figure out why.
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02/12/09, 5:35 PM
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#648
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by TiaMaster
When you attempt to cast spells such as Corr over a more powerful version (boosted with a trinket, for example), the game throws up a "A More Powerful Version of That Spell Is Active" message.
When you try to do the same thing with Immo, the game does not let you know what happened. Therefore, the Immolate doesn't go off and you are left trying to figure out why.
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The situation and error message you describe with corruption also don't allow you to cast the spell or waste the mana and GCD. With the immolate bug, cast time and mana cost are spent to no effect on your target, so they're not really the same thing at all.
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02/12/09, 5:47 PM
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#649
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by turturin
The situation and error message you describe with corruption also don't allow you to cast the spell or waste the mana and GCD. With the immolate bug, cast time and mana cost are spent to no effect on your target, so they're not really the same thing at all.
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As the DD potion of IM is always applied, there is no error message. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
If you clip and fail an IM, it's a half wasted CD. If you notice this happening a lot for you, adjust your priority list accordingly.
Last edited by Orgath : 02/13/09 at 5:00 AM.
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02/13/09, 2:25 PM
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#650
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Darkchrono
Creativity Spec Inc
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
31/21/19
SM/DS/Ruin
Simplified Playstyle- bringin back lvl 60 Skillz~
Feedback maybe? I'll test on like a 10m or something..guild wont allow me to try in 25 -.-
P.S I'm not actualy terrible...
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Nitpicking, but I'd swap 1-2 points from MC into Eradication. As far as overall point allocations, you'd have to show that the 21 points you drop into demo are better than the 21 final points of affliction.
In demo you gain:
-Demonic Sac less your normal pet damage (+10% shadow damage, which doesn't affect immolate less pet damage -- probably in the 6% range)
-Demonic Aegis (extra 9% of your spirit in spell power, with 600 spirit this would be 54 extra spell power)
-Extra health and mana
Compared to affliction:
-5/5 Contagion (5% more Corr/CoA)
-3/3 Malediction (3% more non-pet damage)
-Unstable Affliction
-3/3 Pandemic
-3/3 Shadow "Execute"
-Haunt which refreshes corruption
Tough sell for me. You gain probably 3% damage from DS, and maybe 2% tops from DA. Malediction by itself covers DS, and I think any of the other missing affliction talents covers DA. It might do some interesting Doomguard numbers, but that might be it. Be interested in the log if you do it, but I don't have high hopes.
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02/13/09, 3:12 PM
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#651
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Glass Joe
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well a lot of it is the fact that we're not casting a complex rotation: noob friendly, High SB damage, and i'm GUESSING that at 25%, DS is still best filler, if anything it'd be an interesting PW pars, i've wanted to try this for about 6 weeks now, but never did it -.- IF anyone tries it over the weekend(i'll try next reset) post!
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02/13/09, 3:39 PM
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#652
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Darkchrono
well a lot of it is the fact that we're not casting a complex rotation: noob friendly, High SB damage, and i'm GUESSING that at 25%, DS is still best filler, if anything it'd be an interesting PW pars, i've wanted to try this for about 6 weeks now, but never did it -.- IF anyone tries it over the weekend(i'll try next reset) post!
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It's simpler than affliction, but 41/30 demo or Meta is still fewer spells to cast. In this you have Corr, CoA, SL, Immolate. Regarding the DS-execute, you won't have haunt for the additional DoT boost.
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02/13/09, 5:08 PM
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#653
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Alexstrasza
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Hey guys, sorry to get off-point, but I need some advice from the community. Quick background – I started playing in Dec ’04 and played all the way up until just 2-3 weeks into TBC before “retiring”. I’ve been back for 3 weeks now and am still getting my feet under me, but traditionally have been a very analytical and skilled player/dps’er. This website has been paramount in expediting my quest to regain my old form in as short of time as possible, so huge thanks to all of you here.
So to the point: My guild has had 3D cleared for a month or so, but we’ve yet to even bother with 10man 3D until now. So they’ve created two 10-man teams and mine will be going Sunday. I’ve been involved in only a handful of 3D encounters thus far and my damage has not been where I want it to be. Even in my gear, I’ve been able to top the meters in a number of Naxx encounters the past two weeks (some with and some without the help of DG), but on 3D…………lets just say I have not been satisfied with my output =p
I understand that 3D is torturous for Afflocks, but what I was hoping is that you guys could take a look at my gear/setup and tell me if I should respec for this to provide my guild with better value from me – and if so, to what? Orrr, if I should remain Haunt/Ruin and just tighten up? I feel as though with Affliction (which is always been my fav spec) my Haste is too low to be effective in 3D, but honestly I’m a bit lost on whats the best course of action here.
One of the things I’ve had problems with in our 25man attempts is pulling aggro on the whelps/blazes when I start to cannon-fire SoC between Drakes and get killed and/or for focus-firing on Drakes I just can’t get enough momentum sustained to do really good DPS and stay alive.
So any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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02/13/09, 7:43 PM
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#654
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by MarcAntony
One of the things I’ve had problems with in our 25man attempts is pulling aggro on the whelps/blazes when I start to cannon-fire SoC between Drakes and get killed and/or for focus-firing on Drakes I just can’t get enough momentum sustained to do really good DPS and stay alive.
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Short answer for the purposes of the thread: affliction is fine for this fight, play to your strengths.
There are quite a few classes that are able to AE without sacrificing single target damage; affliction warlocks are not among them, so you shouldn't have to worry about the AE portion besides an inferno and occasional seed. You are there for heavy sustained single target damage on drakes, and if you are going by meters then you should aim to top damage out for Shadron (because other classes will have exhausted cooldowns for Tenebron while you are still going at full speed).
Demonic Circle should allow you to dps without much concern about messing up the rotation. Personally I like to arrange it so that I stand in a spot so that the fire wave coming from behind me will always miss and the wave from ahead I can teleport aside: it saves me from ever really having to think about the fire, one less issue for mental bandwidth.
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02/13/09, 11:54 PM
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#655
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Morwen
Short answer for the purposes of the thread: affliction is fine for this fight, play to your strengths.
There are quite a few classes that are able to AE without sacrificing single target damage; affliction warlocks are not among them, so you shouldn't have to worry about the AE portion besides an inferno and occasional seed. You are there for heavy sustained single target damage on drakes, and if you are going by meters then you should aim to top damage out for Shadron (because other classes will have exhausted cooldowns for Tenebron while you are still going at full speed).
Demonic Circle should allow you to dps without much concern about messing up the rotation. Personally I like to arrange it so that I stand in a spot so that the fire wave coming from behind me will always miss and the wave from ahead I can teleport aside: it saves me from ever really having to think about the fire, one less issue for mental bandwidth.
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Pretty much this. While my guild hasn't downed Sarth 3D 10-man yet (so close to it), I'm neck-in-neck with the mages on Tenebron and Shadron damage. Biggest thing I've noticed is to not AoE except for whelps and the occasional seed off the boss if the elementals are piling up. Just focus on your rotation down; avoiding dumb shit becomes second nature pretty quickly.
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02/14/09, 2:33 AM
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#656
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Alexstrasza
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I have been having a "bandwith" issue as you put it on my 3D attempts, not being entirely confident where to best focus my efforts and the result has been sheer mediocrity on all accounts. Which is one thing 25man, but 10man.....I need to bring it.
Excellent feedback - thats precisely what I needed to hear. Thank you both.
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02/18/09, 5:31 PM
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#657
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Laughing Skull
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Can anyone give me any proof or suggestion why the " 3) Metamorphosis/Ruin ... 0/51/15 +5" spec would be the highest DPS?
I always keep an eye on Buzzkill for itemization and talent purposes, and he's been a 0/53/18 build for a few weeks now (Buzzkill's Armory). I was thinking about trying his spec out, but I'm not sure how it will match up to my current spec of 53/0/18 (My Armory).
I'm very tempted to try the demo build, since I miss shadow bolt spamming and seeing big numbers
If anyone can provide me with a WWS or any logical explanation of which spec is better and why, that would be much appreciated. Thank you.
Last edited by Vondem : 02/18/09 at 5:49 PM.
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02/18/09, 11:42 PM
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#658
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Spinebreaker
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WWS link
Wow Web Stats
I went 0/53/18 meta/ruin demonicpact.
I enjoyed it a lot more and pulled about 600dps than i usually do on patch but that's using a doomguard ect..
All in all maybe they did a ninja coeff buff! heh idunno.
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02/19/09, 12:24 AM
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#659
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Laughing Skull
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Thanks Nnayr, your post as well as other research, made me decide to respec to 0/53/18 haha. Just wondering though, what rotation would be ideal for the initial DoTs that are still cast in the rotation?
My guess is Immo,Corr,CoA; Then SB as a filler obviously. Can anyone tell me otherwise, or does this sound about right?
Also, which glyphs are you using? I was thinking the best 3 would be Felguard, Corruption, and Immolate. Not sure if CoA would be better than Corr or Immolate though...
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02/19/09, 1:54 AM
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#660
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Spinebreaker
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Originally Posted by Vondem
Thanks Nnayr, your post as well as other research, made me decide to respec to 0/53/18 haha. Just wondering though, what rotation would be ideal for the initial DoTs that are still cast in the rotation?
My guess is Immo,Corr,CoA; Then SB as a filler obviously. Can anyone tell me otherwise, or does this sound about right?
Also, which glyphs are you using? I was thinking the best 3 would be Felguard, Corruption, and Immolate. Not sure if CoA would be better than Corr or Immolate though...
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Yeah i use Immolate, CoA, Felguard glyphs.
Rotation: throw up immolate, CoA, Corruption. sbolt fillers demo empowerment every CD. I meta during BL. I don't usually immo aura. I'm also just there to give the raid 350 spelldamage. Doing the DPS is just a plus i guess.
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