Glyph Choice - Page 11

mikelock · 03/12/09, 5:55 PM

Originally Posted by Bosmonster

In current 3.1 theory, Glyph of Lifetap and Glyph of Haunt are must-haves, so you have 1 spot left. Most likely the CoA glyph is the best one to fill that spot.

I havent done math but possibly the Ua glyph could provide more dps via filler's over x period of time . (in 3.1)

Also consider we are always casting Ua and not always casting Coa .

Kalle · 03/13/09, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Heeno

The UA glyph is pretty good at its current form, almost as good as the CoA glyph, I will likely be using it come 3.1. The SL life glyph would not work with corruption, it just increases the healing effect via siphon life through corruption by 20%, making corruption heal you for 48% of the damage done.

In 3.0.9 GetSpellCooldwon (from the WoW API) reports the same value for the global cooldown with and without the UA glyph. Unless this has changed in 3.1 or somebody has proof that it does lower it I would not use it.

FATALDAMAGE · 03/16/09, 2:26 PM

What are the best glyphs for 41/30? Incinerate, Immolate and Life Tap?

Soulzar · 03/16/09, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by FATALDAMAGE

What are the best glyphs for 41/30? Incinerate, Immolate and Life Tap?

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Talimar · 04/15/09, 10:18 AM

In the absence of lifetap glyph what would be better for 3/13/55, imp or incinerate? Im leaning towards imp but have no numbers on incinerate increase.

Edit:

Life tap glyph has been discovered so I don't really care to know anymore.

Crowcaine · 04/20/09, 2:42 AM

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notimeremains · 05/04/09, 5:57 PM

Hello,

Different posts on this forum are giving different glyph sets, so I'm a bit confused.
I am using the 0/40/31 specc atm. But I'm not using 4T7 set.

In the PVE Raiding Compendium post it says : Life Tap / Conflagrate / Immolate
But in the Simcraft post it says :
Life Tap / Conflagrate / Incinerate

So what is the best glyph set for my specc?
And is Life Tap still the best glyph you can get? Is it still better than going for Conflagrate / Incinerate / Immolate?

Thanks in advanced for the help.

silmarieni · 05/04/09, 7:43 PM

This would be glyph of incinerate.

With no 4T7 it's a close call.

I ran the simcraft with 2T7: the difference would be an insignificant 0.3% better dps with the glyph of life tap than the glyph of immolate, and again the r2288 does not take into account the 3.2 changes.

Originally Posted by notimeremains

Hello,

Different posts on this forum are giving different glyph sets, so I'm a bit confused.
I am using the 0/40/31 specc atm. But I'm not using 4T7 set.

In the PVE Raiding Compendium post it says : Life Tap / Conflagrate / Immolate
But in the Simcraft post it says :
Life Tap / Conflagrate / Incinerate

So what is the best glyph set for my specc?
And is Life Tap still the best glyph you can get? Is it still better than going for Conflagrate / Incinerate / Immolate?

Thanks in advanced for the help.

notimeremains · 05/05/09, 3:53 AM

Originally Posted by silmarieni

This would be glyph of incinerate.

With no 4T7 it's a close call.

I ran the simcraft with 2T7: the difference would be an insignificant 0.3% better dps with the glyph of life tap than the glyph of immolate, and again the r2288 does not take into account the 3.2 changes.

So Life Tap / Conflagrate / Incinerate it is! Thanks a bunch.

Bodileto · 05/24/09, 12:01 AM

I am 0/13/58 (imp/destro). I was wondering if Chaos Bolt was better than the 3 glyphs -immolte, incinerate, conflagerate- on a dps scale.... especially on bosses i wonder if having chaos every 10 sec would be good...
I have about 2500spower, 500haste, 20% crit, capped hit (lets just say this is all true...lol). what would the dps increase be with the 4 glyphs mentioned above.

thetrueavatar · 05/25/09, 3:05 PM

not it's not and math is not mandatory to prove it.
- Chaos bolt GL provide you one more CB every min. On a 5 min fight that's 5 CB instead of 5 incinerate.I would say CB is 20% more damage than inci.
- Conflag GL is mandatory to not wipe your immolation
- Immolation GL boost immolation by 10% AND conflag by 7%
- incinerate GL give you 5% on incinerate during whole de fight

Conflag and immolation are clearly better.
Incinerate is a 5% on a ton of incinerate while CB glyph could be see as a 20% buff for 5 inci.
Incinerate is clearly better.

rutiene · 05/25/09, 3:18 PM

Updated OP to what people should be using with current specs. Will update math later.

Bodileto · 05/26/09, 12:30 AM

thanks, i was just checking, i have immolate and incinerate already and just saw chaosbolt glyph and started to wonder..

zaliisa · 05/26/09, 1:10 AM

Originally Posted by rutiene

Updated OP to what people should be using with current specs. Will update math later.

It may be obvious, but as the OP is providing a quick and handy reference to many, it might be a good idea to qualify that Corruption would be the best replacement for Curse of Agony if the Afflock is appointed to be casting CoE.

TogTogTogTog · 05/27/09, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by zaliisa

It may be obvious, but as the OP is providing a quick and handy reference to many, it might be a good idea to qualify that Corruption would be the best replacement for Curse of Agony if the Afflock is appointed to be casting CoE.

I believe the maths early up stated that UA Glyph was better.

Resynn · 05/27/09, 2:29 PM

as a Deep destro build, 0/13/58, what would you say to the lifetap glyph over the incinerate glyph, sure it takes 5% off of incinerate, but raid buff, the glyph grants me 116 spell power for all of my spells, includes immolate dmg, which would increase conflag dmg as well, also adds to Chaos bolt dmg, and also CoD dmg ( I don't CoE since always a druid/DK in raid.) plus on bosses where you need to move around alot, the 5% increase is not in constant use, where as Lifetap would be since can be casted on the move and say in timing with either a upcoming backlash proc from freya adds or a recast on CoD? just would like to get other peoples input.

Soulzar · 05/27/09, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by Resynn

as a Deep destro build, 0/13/58, what would you say to the lifetap glyph over the incinerate glyph, sure it takes 5% off of incinerate, but raid buff, the glyph grants me 116 spell power for all of my spells, includes immolate dmg, which would increase conflag dmg as well, also adds to Chaos bolt dmg, and also CoD dmg ( I don't CoE since always a druid/DK in raid.) plus on bosses where you need to move around alot, the 5% increase is not in constant use, where as Lifetap would be since can be casted on the move and say in timing with either a upcoming backlash proc from freya adds or a recast on CoD? just would like to get other peoples input.

I am probably going to get slapped for backseat moderating, but "other peoples input" is the reason the EJ threads state which glyphs are best with which builds. If you dont want to take the collective research of the EJ community because you think something else will work better for you, then dont.

If the playstyle of tapping as infrequent as possible and managing mana to save global cooldowns is one you dont like, don't spec Improved Soul Leech and use your lifetap glyph.

rutiene · 05/27/09, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by TogTogTogTog

I believe the maths early up stated that UA Glyph was better.

Refer to the original post.

Torement · 05/28/09, 3:08 PM

Hey everyone,
I am a 1st time poster and it feel's like I've read almost every post in here on us loc's, if I missed it I appologize but I can't find the answer I am looking for. I was wondering if with the 3/13/55 build and no 4T7 set bonus would the follwing Glyphs, Conflagrate / Incinerate / Immolate be better then using the LT glyph especially since we move around so much in Ulduar and can LT on the fly? Thanks for the help in advanced, this site is a Huge help!!

Fnords · 05/28/09, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by Torement

Hey everyone,
I am a 1st time poster and it feel's like I've read almost every post in here on us loc's, if I missed it I appologize but I can't find the answer I am looking for. I was wondering if with the 3/13/55 build and no 4T7 set bonus would the follwing Glyphs, Conflagrate / Incinerate / Immolate be better then using the LT glyph especially since we move around so much in Ulduar and can LT on the fly? Thanks for the help in advanced, this site is a Huge help!!

I'm fairly sure that 3/13/55 lacks the mana regen of 0/13/58 due to no ISL, and so it lifetaps often enough to make the LT glyph worth more than the incinerate glyph. You'll still tap on the fly, but you'll do so far more often.

Maldis · 06/19/09, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by Crowcaine

Of course this is only theory, and remains subject to change based on any additional information anyone would like to add:

Theorycraft:

*Assume 3/52/15
*Assume 2000dps (low, but a round figure for theorycrafting's sake)
*Assume a 3min Patchwerk fight (achievement time limit)
*Assume Immolate DOT = 10% of total dmg (my personal tests on dummies showed Immolate DOT to be just under 10%, but I rounded up to the nearest 1%)
*Assume you will chose Life Tap and Felguard as your other two glyphs leaving you with the choice of Immolate vs Meta for the 3rd slot (I don't care what you really want to choose, just assume this you bastards).

Thus given:
2000dps x 60 sec = 120,000dmg
120,000dmg x 3min (again, achievement time limit) = 360,000dmg

With old Metamorphosis:
***since there is a 3 min cooldown, you'll only get to use it once during Patchwerk***
(2000dps x 30 sec) + (2200dps x 30sec) = 126,000dmg
126,000dmg + (120,000dmg x2) = +366,000dmg (+6000dmg or a 1.666% increase)

Now with the new talent changes:
***you'll get to use it twice per 3 min fight now (at the very beginning and anytime after 2min 6 sec***
(2000dps x 30sec) + (2200dps x 30sec) = 126,000dmg (min1)
+2000dps x 60sec = 120,000dmg (min2)
+(2000dps x30sec) + (2200dps x 30sec) = 126,000dmg (min3)
= +372,000dmg (+12,000dmg or a 3.333% increase)

Now with the new talent changes and the new glyph of Metamorphosis:
***you'll get to use it twice per 3 min fight***
(2000dps x 24 sec) + (2200dps x 36 sec) = 127,2000 (min1)
+2000dps x 60 sec = 120,000dmg (min2)
+(2000dps x 24 sec) + (2200dps x 36 sec) = 127,200 (min3)
= +374,400dmg (+14,400dmg or 4% increase)

Now to compare with Glyph of Immolate (as of 3.1 is just a 10% to the DOT portion, no dmg reduction for the instant):
Glyph of Immolate:
+10% on 10% of total dmg. 10% of 372,000dmg = 37,200dmg
37,200 x .1 = +3,720dmg.
vs
Glyph of Metamorphosis:
374,400dmg - 372,000dmg = +2,400dmg.

But WAIT!

This theory doesn't consider critical strikes on shadowbolts, nor does it consider a slew of other variables which can effect the actual numbers. I've only begun to consider these, and already I am questioning whether or not the glyph of Meta can outperform Immolate. I'm currently sticking with Meta, and will further attempt to justify it's superiority over Immolate, but I'm too tired right now to keep going. To be continued...

Meta is a 20% damage increase. It should be 2400 dps instead of 2200 dps. So the damage would be 388,800 instead of 374,400

Kal Choedan · 06/22/09, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by Fnords

I'm fairly sure that 3/13/55 lacks the mana regen of 0/13/58 due to no ISL, and so it lifetaps often enough to make the LT glyph worth more than the incinerate glyph. You'll still tap on the fly, but you'll do so far more often.

Almost right, except it's the immolate glyph, not the incinerate glyph. The incinerate glyph is always better than the lifetap glyph.

There has been some discussion in the simulationcraft thread that suggests that incinerate/immolate/conflagrate may be the best glyph setup for both specs at present, but if 3.2 goes live with the 40s duration lifetap glyph as at present, lifetap will again beat immolate for 3/13/55.

Whee · 08/01/09, 4:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kal Choedan

but if 3.2 goes live with the 40s duration lifetap glyph as at present, lifetap will again beat immolate for 3/13/55.

What about 0/13/58 ... LT could beat Incin. then!?

angaroth · 08/01/09, 2:12 PM

My Spirit at 14% hit is 688 so I get 137.6 * 1.57 = 216 dps out of 1 GCD per 40 seconds. 1.5/40 = 3.75% of my time.

216 / 8066 (the calculated dps of 0_13_58) is 2.68%

So for me, at least, the boost in Spell Power is not enough to overcome the loss of even 1 GCD every 40 seconds.

Now for situations where you never actually get the perfect timing, it might turn out to be a boost, especially for Affliction in a high movement fight where the SP is boosting your dots even when you aren't casting.