Glyph Choice - Page 3

PSGarak · 11/26/08, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Neron

Hi, long time reader, first time poster here...

Being Affliction-specced myself, i am using Agony, Corruption and Shadowbolt as Glyphs...

now reading this, I find myself wondering about the effectiveness of the Shadowbolt Glyph... anybody have an idea of how to calculate it's effectiveness in comparison to the alternatives?

Get recount, find your damage spread. Figure out about how much of your mana usage, as a percent, is from shadowbolt (as a first order approximation, this won't be much different than the % of spells that are shadowbolt, but DoTs are a little more expensive on average). Take this percent, multiply by .1. This is the percent of lifetaps you will save, asymptotically. Saved lifetaps get converted to shadowbolts based on cast time, in theory. You can calculate a haste equivalence if you want.

There's a lot of numbercruching and there's some simplifying assumptions in there. For one, I'm discounting regen (I can't decide if that doesn't change anything or has a huge effect =P). But it's straightforward and gives a starting point.

Havik0 · 11/27/08, 12:05 AM

@rutiene: I understand what you are saying, I see how it could be interpreted either way.

I think it is safe to say that the Corr glyph either way is better than most of the alternatives as an Aff lock. I agree, as you stated earlier with the lack of spamming SBs now that Aff seems to be the best spec the SB glyph seems more than a waste of a slot. imo the best glyphs are Immo/Corr/CoA

krilz · 11/27/08, 2:37 AM

On a side-note: Am I the only who thinks there is a shortage of good glyphs for destruction? Imp, CoA and Conflagrate are the only ones I've found and needless to say, the last one is pretty sucky.

Cepha · 11/27/08, 2:48 AM

I did some math at home and also asked Malaakai what he is using in his destro build and the result was:
Glyph of Immolate is good for destro.
With my personal values and assuming that I am clipping the last immolate tick with Conflagrate it is still a damage win of about 350 damage.

Only problem is nobody on my server seems to be able to create this glyph.

DiamondTear · 11/27/08, 5:34 AM

Originally Posted by rutiene

I just tested the CoA glyph and in the last 4 seconds it ticks 4 times at the escalated damage.

Are you trying to spread misinformation on purpose? CoA glyph adds 2 ticks of the average damage in the middle of the curse, (Proof: Full Screenshot) giving the curse a 0.1 dps increase. The time you save recasting it means an extra shadow bolt every 2.8 minutes or so.

Axarium · 11/27/08, 6:20 AM

As for me I use Corr|Immo|SL in 56|0|15 (1 talent MC)

No i am thinking about changing SL for CoA but can't count wil i get more dps or i will lose.
CoA gives 2 aditional ticks for me. so maybe DiamondTear is right 2+ SB for the fight.

krilz · 11/27/08, 6:47 AM

Glyph of Corr + Immo are pretty much set in stone for me, but does anyone have some math on which of CoA or SL is best? Most people tend to use CoA but seeing as it has a very low increase in DPS and the fact as Affliction you might be designated to CotE duty SL might be a better choice.

Lorelai · 11/27/08, 9:31 AM

Edit: Deleted due to lack of sleep and bad eye vision causing flawed math. Point stands though, SL adds alot more total damage than CoA.

rutiene · 11/27/08, 9:37 AM

Originally Posted by DiamondTear

Are you trying to spread misinformation on purpose? CoA glyph adds 2 ticks of the average damage in the middle of the curse, (Proof: Full Screenshot) giving the curse a 0.1 dps increase. The time you save recasting it means an extra shadow bolt every 2.8 minutes or so.

Please don't accuse me of lying, I'm only saying what I saw, which was definitely not what your SS shows. I had a progression of 200 -> 300 -> 400. I'll retest again tonight in case I had gone temporarily insane or something, already picked up a 2nd glyph of CoA from a friend. I'll also take SS's.

Aeetes · 11/27/08, 1:58 PM

Well, I cant do any of the fancy math work, but when i first picked up SL, i noticed it's returns jumped considerably. It probably is the easiest dot to track because of it's heal effect, and mine is now up around 800 or so ticks with 1800 SP. Even if CoA does a little more damage with its glyph, i personally think the heal effect helps to outweigh it. This effect combined with haunt returns makes it possible to throw a lifetap into you're rotation without losing much if any health. I find it helps my mana efficiency a lot.

Devourment · 11/29/08, 2:52 PM

56/0/15 affliction

Running glyph of shadowbolt, corruption, and UA. Big surprise! My haste is at less than 5% so I have no concerns with the UA gcd. I also don't plan on running so much haste that it hits the GCD outside of bloodlust anyway. These are the best glyphs for affliction.

Woggle · 11/29/08, 3:15 PM

Originally Posted by Devourment

56/0/15 affliction

Running glyph of shadowbolt, corruption, and UA. Big surprise! My haste is at less than 5% so I have no concerns with the UA gcd. I also don't plan on running so much haste that it hits the GCD outside of bloodlust anyway. These are the best glyphs for affliction.

The global casting gcd without haste is 1.5s, only the cap is 1.0s. Your gcd will be at 1.5s minus haste, and your cast of UA will be at 1.5s minus haste minus 0.2s, providing no extra casttime, as you will have to wait for the gcd to finish.

Devourment · 11/29/08, 3:39 PM

Duly noted. There still isn't a better third glyph for affliction, sadly.

DiamondTear · 11/29/08, 5:21 PM

Originally Posted by Devourment

Duly noted. There still isn't a better third glyph for affliction, sadly.

Immolate and Siphon Life glyphs are better than Shadow Bolt and Unstable Affliction glyphs for affliction.

Inovindil · 11/29/08, 6:53 PM

On a 0/41/30 spec, apart from the corruption glyph, what 2 others would be best? Agony, immolate, or felguard?