As promised here are some numbers from my Meta/Ruin Spec. Excuse my dust, it was a sloppy night as we had to take 3 people (Kurion, Gieornette, Necrophobe) that aren't a part of our normal raid group. With my current gear set, it is my assertion that this spec is extremely competetive. I've also got a parse at home of PUG VoA 10/25 and Obsidian Sanctum 10 that I will upload and edit into this post. Please feel free to question/comment an PM.

1st half Naxx 10

EDIT: WWS from Vault of archavon 10/25 and Obsidian Sanctum 10

WWS VOA OS

I ran a felguard test for 3 minutes on the ?? dummy in org on the PTR and on live. You can check my gear from the left.
No buffs on the felguard, I had fel armor up. 0/41/30 spec. On PTR the FG had his base dmg buff and 10% more from the glyph.

Live: A hair under 400 dps
PTR: 650 dps

So it seems like a nice buff. However the sample is small, just one 3 minute test on each. I don't think he'll scale any better in raids, a tad maybe.

You didn't mention one way or the other, but I'm assuming RNG difference didn't affect your test (i.e. miss rate and crit rate were relatively close from one test to another).

If that's the case a buff of 250 dps is in the neighborhood of a 25% increase in FG dmg, and a 4-5% dps increase overall, assuming 5k as a reasonable benchmark for 0/41/30. The buff to meta spec may be greater overall in total, due to a higher pet crit rate through imp DT and less personal dps from the warlock.

5k dps as 41/30 is doable now, I for one am very excited with the little bit of changes coming. COA / FG glyphs are yummy. Tonite on 25 man Patch as 41/30 I cracked the 5k barrier I was very pumped as I enjoy playing my current spec. I unfortunately did not happened to have a WWS report for the night. I do have a WWS from last weeks 10 man Naxx I did 4.5k on Patch not bad for missing a couple raid buffs. Wow Web Stats

Cheers

What is the FG glyph on the PTR now? I saw that it was going up to 20% a while back but it hasn't been mentioned in the last few patch notes anymore. Did it revert back to 10%?

Its still 20%.

I havent seen very many Meta/Ruin wws parses.

I just thought id post mine so ppl can see whats possible with the 3.0.8 FG buffs.

Wow Web Stats

Keep in mind, this was BEFORE the felguard HP fix, which in term was before a small buff to demonology via demonic knowledge.

I'm impressed, might give it myself a try, just to experience it.

Holy jesus. What is it, exactly, that is allowing you to do 6k DPS as a Meta spec? Was it the increase on base Felguard damage? I've never seen a parse even remotely that high as a deep Demo build. My biggest question is that if you are pulling this kind of damage with meta, could you be doing even more damage as an Aff or Destro build, or even 0/41/30. Is this just an example of gear making numbers seem enormous, or is meta becoming a viable spec?

EDIT: Actually, going through your WWS report, I'd just like to ask a few questions. When do you hit Meta, do you use charge to get into base contact to use Immolation aura {And what are your suggestions on using said ability}

Don't know about voodoo, but that FG is doing 1614 dps. That's quite a large increase over pre-patch FG dps.

What HP has the Felguard gone up to? If the Felhunter went from 8k to 18k , does than mean Felguard is over 20k?

How much dmg do you guys gain through demonic knowledge now?

Unbuffed spelldmg: 2061
With Fel Armor: 2458 (420 spirit)
With Felguard + Fel Armor: 2681

Do you remember how much you gained before the felguard stamina boost? Is it significant?

No sorry because I wasn't playing Demonology back then but Affliction.

In add, when it gives 20-21% critical hits for hybrid or destruction build, you'll reach about 28% with a demonology build.

Exemple of powerfull demo build after patch.
(glyph: felguard, CoA[prefered to corruption], SB)

DD Demonology/Devastation 0/50/21

Do you have any log of this?

I was thinking perhaps
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...h=070403000000

would be a better option? Assuming that DP would be up 24/7 in a raiding environment I guess that would be a bigger boost than 3% dmg proc on either one.

Also I would prolly take Glyph of Corr over SB one, since it just plain sucks imo. (at least when you compare to what Mages get for their main nukes)

Hi vpchelko.

In the past, I've choosen Demonic pact to buff the raid. Now, the stuff of the roster, the shaman buff and the total cleaning of wotlk gives me the possibility to test more selfish builds.
Why CoA? because it gives me 28s without refresh.
Why not Immo? Because in this build I did'nt put any points in improved immo, it would be a dps loss with this build. In add, Immo is uselless to spam SB.
Why don't I use CoD? Because curse of doom causes damage after 1 min. 1st, CoA with glyph is more powerfull than CoD, and even if I find better the 28s of CoA than 15s immo or corruption, I need to refresh my curse sometimes to cast Life Tap (mainly for 4-T7 bonus. This build does'nt "eat" a lot of mana).

Have a nice day^^

Drop the healthstone points and throw them into master conjurer for a nice dps boost. I also don't bother with demonic sac anymore and take shadowburn instead for those times when I am good on shards and a little extra quick damage could win the fight, etc. Otherwise your spec is very much like mine. Those are the only differences and I raid with it, have cleared all 10 & 25 man content except for Sarth 3D (have done 2D) which we are currently working on.

If you get your spell power up above 2800 then your demonic pact buff will be better than the shamans. My fully buffed spell power is now well over the 3200 mark. That's 320 spell damage vs 280 from the shaman and demonic pact is up about 90% of the time.

Doesnt Master Conjurer give ~15 crit rating for two talent points? I dont think that is a significant enough dps boost to drop points from improved healthstone.

The same point, too weak bonus for 2 TP, its like +1 crit gem is in gear.

It is needed to calc DPTC of immo CoA and corr for demo, and CoD.

Maybe DS -> MCore to buff immo DOT? Ok, And will swap HS to conj (crap talent).

P.s. currently my build is http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...h=131202000000
MAX dps vs boss dummy 2600-2700 (self buffed + imp). It is hard to keep cycle + lags greatly affects DPS.

P.p.s. Soul Leech - crap