I noticed the same thing. The WorldofWarcraft.com talent calc says 6%, but the game says 3%

What would be the better spec for someone with ~1700 spell power with Fel Armor (+Demo Aegis 3/3)? Atm I am hybrid 0/41/30 and I'm mainly doing 5 man Heroics, looking to move into 10 man stuff when the guild is geared a little better. Quite tempted to try out 0/50/21 or would that be a dps loss? I'm guessing I couldn't do all that well with an Affliction or Destro build right now.

0/41/30 i guess.

I need to know how much Demonic Knowledge buffs our spell power since 3.0.8, with a FG preferably. I really like 0/41/30 raiding and raided FG thru most of MH/BT..

This is only true if you have 0% crit and don´t factor in ISB.

That very much depends on your stats from gear. I tried meta/ruin for the first time ever tonight and I was overall looking at around 3.1k SP in my character sheet (managed to break 4k at one time, but that was with a trinket). As Aff I am usually around 2.2k with FA up. I was really surprised to see that my SP increased by almost 100 just by getting Kings. It scales ridiculously now

Once your spell power (minus what's gained from spirit through Fel Armor) goes over 2800 you start to hit a point where you spike raid damage up through demonic pact. At what point that raid dps will outperform the dps you bring as 0/41/30 is hard to say and would have a lot to do with raid make up (caster heavy raids benefit more from this).

If you don't raid with an elemental shaman then the break point is a lot lower (1440 and higher).

As far as on paper dps goes it really depends on the length of the fight and how well you can abuse meta. Because it's a three minute cooldown fights that last long enough for you to blow meta once early and then once again during bloodlust can spike your dps quite a bit. Four minutes would be about optimal. Even fights under three minutes seem to favor meta because, assuming you'll be bloodlusted, you'll be bloodlusted while Meta is up.

There's also FG micro to consider Full meta builds most often have Fel Synergy and possibly Demonic Resilience as well, this means that a full Meta's FG is more forgiving of player mistakes and takes less attention then the 0/41/30s FG.

All of this aside, on a stand and nuke fight with zero need for pet micro over an infinite duration 0/41/30 wins out for personal dps, as shown by most simulationcraft posts you'll see.

Fel Firestone = 42 crit rating.
Grand Spellstone = 60 haste rating.

Should i use Spellstone for haste? I use Firestone, but, maybe haste is better.

Noticed that someone mentioned that FG/Ember scales better with haste. I atleast switched from Firestone to Spellstone.

I'm not sure what the point of your post is but Fel Firestone is not the highest rank of firestones.

Does spellstone still come out ontop even with the 1% damage bonus to DD on the firestone? For demo that is?

I'm pretty sure thats no longer the case; ie: I'm sure i heard bliozzard said that both stones no logner increase the damage of our spells, they just add either haste or crit, so that 1% damage is a nonissue.

No the 1% dmg increase is still there all that was done was the tool tip was change to say only the haste/crit portion of the stones was increased by talents.

For me, Full Demo Meta/Ruin spec, Lluelier's spreadsheet says that spellstone is the larger increase over firestone. I have 2 points in master conjurer and use CoA, Immolate and Corruption so all 3 of those take advantage of the 1% to DoTs. Try out the spreadsheet and see what it says is best for you. Unfortunately the pet part of the damage is lower than it should be as he hasn't properly scaled the pets with buffs etc as well as he could but that shouldn't matter at all for this question, just your gear and which spells you use and your talents. If you really want a definite answer, trying it in the spreadsheet is my best suggestion to you.

Every spread sheet has shown haste to be better then crit. Im not sure why which stone to use is even a debate.

Even with ISB I can't imagine spellstones aren't better. Point for point, haste is pretty much always on par with crit in most specs. So if you get more haste than crit from the stones....

is it just me or are people totally ignoring a 1% boost to DD spells?
That alone would be somewhere in the region of a 30DPS boost from incinerate spams.

Awful Napkin maths -

average incin 7k
cast time 2 sec
7000/100 = 70

70/2 = 35

Now i have no idea what 1% dot damage means to a 41/30 for example. Its obviously more dificult to compute.
but i dont think that it would amount to that much.

I personaly favor a balance of haste and crit on my gear. Using a Firestone for crit just means I would stack Haste elsewhere in my gear.

According to Leulier as a full meta/ruin spec CoD gives more dps then CoA, is this correct? If so is a CoD- Corr - Immo - SB "rotation" the best for me? Only just speced meta/ruin yesterday, and must say I am very pleased with it, and so is my raid (sitting at over 3,3k SP fully buffed).

And best glyphs? I think with a CoD rotation it's Immo/FG/Corruption, is this correct?

Thanks

Hi,

Ye this is the goods glyph for meta/ruin
Just thinks to switch CoD/CoA at the end of mobs life.

And for firestone/spellstone, the both buff (CC and haste) are not ok in 25 raid (bommkin debuff and totem debuff are best)
So the 1% Direct damage and 1% Dots damage are only available (1.3 with the talent, i think)

For those looking at demonic pact versus TOW and Flametongue, I believe the extra spell damage provided by demonic pact does not take into account (a) the extra spell power gained from spirit (by way of fel armour) -- upwards of 300 spell damage for a well geared lock -- or (b) flask and food buffs -- 171 spell damage. Running 2800 spell damage without the approximately 450 damage from these two things is tough.

This was reported pre-patch, but it was apparently not fixed last week (haven't had a chance to test it myself). Maybe it made it in today -- still waiting on some form of patch notes.

Respecced and tested it, Demonic Pact is still not factoring in the spirit based spell power from Fel Armor.