Hmmm...... I implemented separate melee/spell hit chance inheritance. I wonder if it is taking the max of spell/hit chance OR if the pet inherits Hit Rating instead. I suppose we could use talent-based hit mechanics to discover this......

FYI..... The current SimulationCraft Warlock owner does his development on a Mac so I'll ask him to post binaries whenever I release a new version.

EDIT: Misread WWS, sorry.

I think it is just a case of people not knowing how to read a WWS report or use the search function.

Splot, can you please add info about pet hit & (lack of) expertise to the original post?

If you breakdown the WWS report you would see the 4.8% swings and 12.5% cleave were dodged not missed and since we get no expertise from talents this will always happen.

If one thing, this (unfortunately) becomes another reason to dump 0/41/30 in favour of a improved imp destruction build later on, in my opinion.
Dodge and Parry will always be there as an evasive action in melee, but the imp's attacks will hit 100% of the time, correct?
I know Parry shouldn't be the issue, but unfortunately I get lots of Parrys, 4.2% Swing, 3.3% Cleave, on for example Malygos, due to the nature of tank movement in this fight.

Patchwerk is an ideal fight in respect to movement, but those fights are rare. I doubt we will see improvement in the Felguards scaling when it comes to expertise.

Edit: Interestingly, I get 5-6% Parry (Swing) on the target dummy when I'm naked, and 3-4% Parry at 377 Spell Hit rating. This may be just a statistical phenomenon, but there may be a faint chance that expertise scales as well, but skating on thin ice here. I will run more test series capped at 446 Spell Hit.

Good call. I've never played a melee class, so melee mechanics are a bit foreign to me.

446 untalented
368 with 3% talented + no spriest
290 with 3% talented + spriest
264 talented + spriest + a dranei

'course you might want to go higher depending on how many talent points you allocate for +hit.

I was referring to the master's hit in reference to the amount of misses that his demon made. The master;s hit DOES effect his demon's. No official confirmation is needed when it's clearly noticeable in the pictures and it is easily tested in game.

As a side note, I would really like it if blizz would do something about parry and dodge as well as glancing blows on bosses. It is quite annoying to see my imp never miss but when I use felguard he is not capable of doing his full potential because of these factors.

I try to get my affliction spells capped through raid buffs. i usually have a dranei and a shadowpriest (actually we have a dranei spriest who has yet to miss a raid), so I hang right around the 342 mark (so 368 if you're horde).

I only take cataclysm for the mana cost reduction and the fact that there's nowhere better to put the points that would impact dps in a 0/41/30 build. If my spriests both die i'm also still capped on my destro spells, a small situational benefit to the talent i guess.

So, I've noticed that Demonic Pact doesn't seem to stack with Flametongue Totem (the buffs seem to overwrite each other).

So, in order for having Demonic Pact to be worthwhile over Flametongue Totem you need to have at LEAST 1440 unbuffed spell damage or 1650 unbuffed if they have the talents for Flametongue. If you have an elemental shaman with Totem of Wrath you would need at least 2800 spellpower unbuffed for Demonic Pact to be worthwhile over Totem of Wrath (and that's ignoring the 3% crit and the fact that totems have 100% uptime vs variable uptime of Demonic Pact.

Please correct me if any of that is incorrect. Assuming that's all correct Demonic Pact really seems like a waste of 5 talent points for the most part.

You're correct, except that Demonic Pact uses *buffed* spell power. So Demonic Pact will always be significantly better than Flametongue Totem, and at higher gear levels will beat out Totem of Wrath as well.

Demonic Pact should outscale flametongue totem for even a fresh level 80 lock but 2880+ spell power without including the spirit-> dmg conversion from fel armor (bug?) is probably just out of grasp at the current gear level.

Oh, Demonic Power doesn't count the spell power from spirit? That's news to me. Sounds like a bug if it's true.

That would be in line with other buffs with two effects.

If you look next time you have ToW, you will see mobs within range of the totem get a debuff for the crit effect. This is how the spell dmg buff and crit buff are parsed so that a more powerful dmg buff will overwrite only the dmg piece.

So how would you calculate your bonus. I am currently raiding with 3k sp fully buffed. but I have noticed that I am only geting anwhere between 172-250 on my demo pact? I am not sure why this is. If it is due to spirit I know when we havea priest with imp spirit in grp I tend to have higher sp but it is not being calculated in.

What is the actual number being given off of? Also if I pop a tirnket then send my pet in and he crits does that count to demo pact as well?

You were right in that trinkets do count. You were wrong in that they are temporary. the trinketed DP lasts only as long as the trinket....this is consistent with other refreshing buffs in WOTLK (see everlasting affliction).

I am running a standard 0/41/30 spec, with around 2200 spell damage, 500 haste , 21% crit (character screen) , and 240ish hit raid buffed.

Edit: removed my first question after reading 23 pages of PVE raiding ... sheash.


The other question i have is regarding stat scales for the PAWN addon. Is the stats for +dps +dam for the next stat in the first post of this thread an appropriate way to set up the PAWN addon, or is there another location for the appropriate stat relative values?

Thanks guys,

The stats in the first post are for a T6 equipped warlock. As you most likely have better gear, you better calculate your own values with the spreadsheet found at WoW Warlock DPS Spreadsheet

I'm having issues getting the spreadsheet to work in OpenOffice. Would somebody please be able to message me the same table for T7.25?

edit: got an update thanks.

Can someone confirm that PTR is changed for parts of Demonic Empathy and Felguard Glyph? I just didn't see them in latest patch notes.

I was just on the ptr and the felguard glyph change is still in but DE is the same as live.