• dragon12

Now that everyone's back raiding again it might be useful to have a thread where we can ask for specific help when looking at a WWS report. Rather than the old one which dealt with all of the raid, this one should focus on just warlock's dps and how to improve it.


I'll start with my own 10-man Patchwerk kill from a few days ago: WWS (WWS seemed to mangle parts of it, but all of my data should be ok).

I have a couple of things in the WWS that I need some help on:

• Missing 5% of spells seems weird to me. I had ~9% hit from gear, 3% from talents to both destro and affliction, 1% from Draenei aura, 3% from Misery. I know it's a small sample size, but I would have expected to miss less than that. The same general percentages hold true for Loatheb earlier in the night as well.
• Apart from that I think the main reason my dps is low compared to some other WWS floating around is because my dot uptime wasn't so good. Should have been time for ~98-99 dot ticks from everything but UA and immolate fell a fair bit short of that.

Any other comments are appreciated!

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• fallenman

I'm going to copy and paste a portion of my WOTLK affliction raiding guide here. Basically, it's a synapse of how to determine your DoT uptime. I'd hope this is useful for anyone looking to dissect a warlock WWS report.

The sample below references a WWS brutallus report.

Let's figure out what my DoT uptime was. To start, we need to know what the total combat length of the boss fight was in seconds. At the top of a WWS report, you'll see the date, time, and length of fight in minutes/seconds. In my example, the fight was 2 minutes and 39 seconds long. So, that's 159 seconds.

Next, to figure out DoT uptime, we need to determine what 100% uptime would be for each DoT. This is done by taking the length of the fight and dividing it by the interval of a DoTs tick. For example, corruption, UA, siphon life, and immolate all tick every 3 seconds. 159 / 3 = 53. So, if I had 53 ticks of each of those DoTs, that would be 100% uptime. To see how many times your DoTs ticked, look under each spell, and look under the column that says "Dots".

I had as follows:
-Corruption: 48 ticks
-UA: 42 ticks
-Immolate: 39 ticks
-Siphon Life: 46 ticks

As you can see, in that fight my UA and Immolate uptime was not quite up to speed. Also, remember that 100% uptime is not realistic. Especially if the mechanics of the fight stress execution over DPS via moving around, doing other things, etc.

For CoA, which ticks every 2 seconds, that would be 159 / 2 = 79 (round down). I had 68 ticks, so that's not too bad. To determine uptime, take the number of ticks you had and divide it by the number of ticks you would have had with 100% uptime. So, for CoA: 68/79 = .86 or, 86% uptime. 85-90% uptime is a realistic goal in a stand-up tank and spank single target fight.

 

Nicarras

The problem with tracking DoT uptime, something I've debated tracking for myself now, is that on any fight where you arent on the boss 100% of the time your DoT uptimes will suffer with that calculation. So keep in mind if you have to fight adds, etc, during the fight when doing this.

It is nice to compare week to week if you track it historically so that you can see if you are getting better or worse.

 

• dragon12

Well really there will be only a couple of fights per tier that are useful for looking at WWS anyway. Like Gorefiend in BT, Brutallus in SWP, and now PW in Naxx. By looking at those fights in WWS you can get the basics right and hope to apply them to the fights where there is movement/adds etc.

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Nicarras

Yeah I agree for a pure 'uptime' analysis. What is nice is to try your performance over a course of weeks, instead of just always looking at your latest parse and trying to remember how you did last week/etc. I try and pull that data out of WWS and put it into a spreadsheet for tracking purposes.

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I also see Warlocks claiming 4500+ dps on Patchwerk, can someone link a WWS of this on Naxx25 PW. thx

 

Stryker

I came in second last night (to a mage by 6k total dmg) at 4,300 DPS as 0/41/30, with quite a bit of computer lag at the start of the fight. At the time I had 2-pc t7 (both hero version), 4 pc t6 and a mix of WotLK blues/epics. I looked up our reports to link, but our wws shows the entire night, not individual boss parses. Anyone know if there's a different way to sort the data?

For the record, the priority I used was Immolate>CoA>incinerate, making sure not to clip CoA. MC uptime seemed quite decent with only CoA contributing (why corr when you can incin for upwards of 11k? :P )

Our melee had been doing very strong, but a couple died (?!?!?!) on this particular kill. Was nice to feel as dominant as we used to feel in sunwell And don't forget your flame caps!

 

• fallenman

Patchwerk : Maalakai

Haunt/Ruin warlock doing almost 4900dps.

 

Fearsalot

Patchwerk:Fearsalot

4800-4900dps using Immo/CoA/Corruption glyphs. Might try a different trinket than next week.

 

Nicarras

@Maalakai

He snuck an infernal in, didnt cast DS at all, and still managed to do all that? Hmm, apparently he had a ton of haste gear at that time as well. Interesting.

 

dcpwns

I don't see any of the locks doing DS. At a certain point is just SP spam better? Or is it because no one is use to DS yet?

 

tusaki

Drain Soul rocks. I did 13K drain souls yesterday at patchwerk. (no WWS i'm afraid). Altough it could be both my trinkets procced at that time ([Dying Curse] and [Sundial of the Exiled]). But 10k drain souls are not uncommon. On average though I would say it ticks for 8k, which is like my average shadowbolt crit, only 100% of the time.

But I don't know what is better... dont refresh your dots and just DS.. or refresh your dots (which do more damage below 25% as well and shadowbolt to keep up DE). Or, like I did, a mix of both :S ... (shadowbolt twice, haunt, put up dots, drain soul)

Another thing: I've also just decided to forget about keeping 4pc t6 ... the stats are just too good on other items. And spirit is the way to go: 1/3 spirit in spelldamage, +extra lifetap scaling? yes please.

 

rutiene

Does anyone know how often DS ticks?

 

Deviattor

Every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, bringing it to a total of 5 ticks. The first tick is at 3 seconds, so you will have to wait until just after 3 seconds before you break it if you need to renew DoTs.

 

tusaki

I said before that there was no WWS, but appearantly someone made one from that night

Here is a WWS from the 13546 Soul Drain ticks (Raid dps was low due to severe lag issues that evening though (at some points it was just unplayable))
Wow Web Stats

here is the filter of just Soul Drain
Wow Web Stats

I'm actually dissapointed it only ticks three or four times during the channel, but I can't complain about the damage.

The question remains though: whats the best strategy for <25%?

 

nikitabanana

Ruin/Haunt, 5332 dps (patchwerk)

Wow Web Stats

I actually don't line up immolate to anything. It's a spell that takes priority over only shadowbolt for uptime and is not reapplied sub 20%, hence less ticks then other dots.

 

nikitabanana

I'm not convinced haste is bad for affliction. I ran like, 500something haste and did fine dps wise. Maybe if I reallocated the stats I'd do slightly more - but I'm not entirely convinced since affliction rotations tend to be tight and I get that "extra" shadowbolt in, it feels like.

I think maalakai did 5200something this week as well (I'm not sure if he dropped all his haste, I'll check).

 

Nicarras

Nice work, grats!

When are you casting your infernal, what % do you target? Also what do your priority/decision tree look like for casting your spells? I want to see how that lines up with the numbers I have.

TIA

 

• Bethink

Initially, I assumed haste to be a waste for affliction since it only lowers the cast time and GCD of the dots, but does not shorten the period of time over which the damage is inflicted.

When I ran some initial what-if calculations over a Patchwerk fight to determine the DPS values of stats, I found haste to be quite competitive with an itemization equivalent of damage or crit. This is indeed surprising this early in the expansion. And it makes me wonder if mana management is becoming a much more dominant issue than it used to be. If so, this would increase the value of spirit as a base stat even further.

 

Fulgurite

Wait, so why did the time between ticks vary so much?

Counting only time in between "ticks" (not application->first tick), I get these intervals:
2.563s, 2.453s, 2.875s, 2.594s, 2.812s, 2.391s, 3.047s, 3.156s

That's a difference of 0.765 seconds between the max and min, just in between TICKS (times 5 is a "total duration" variance of 3.8 seconds).

 

◊ Melbuframa

Haste. I'm gonna assume either bloodlust fell off or eradication proced and then fell off. I cant see WWS at work

 

Darkstarrz

Anyone have any 0-20-51 parses they could share?

 

◊ Melbuframa

Wow Web Stats

4400 as 54/0/17 - Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I did not have 4Pc then, i or the staff, I was using Armice of the Convoker, the rep dagger + badge offhand and some gloves from heroic Nexus.

I know I messed up the rotation a few times as well.

 

JBT

When you use Drain Soul on a fight (<25%) are you just using it for the duration that you would normally be shadow bolting and stopping to reapply the dot? or do you drain until it ends letting dots fall off.

I only tried to put it into my <25% rotation once (VoA) and I quickly fell from 1st place to 4th

 

• dragon12

The original intent of this thread was for people to post their WWS (for something like Patchwerk) for questions or comments on how they could improve. I'd love to see more people use it as such.

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Nve

Wow Web Stats
- 0/41/30 (FG/emberstorm) in 25-man Naxx
- Hitcapped destruction, paperdoll 33% crit, ~2300 spellpower in raid w/o procs, 352 haste rating w/o buffs/procs.
- Glyphs: Felguard, Immolate, CoA
- 3.9k - 4k sustained DPS on Razuvious. WWS displays a lower number because of killing adds after the boss.
- Did not cast corruption except during the pull
- Did not pop trinket during bloodlust (it wasn't called properly) but did pop it every available CD
- Used a mana potion at some point, probably during bloodlust.

I definitely feel that given my gear/stats I could push more than 4k DPS on this fight, but I'm probably being throttled by the 0/41/30 spec since I think I'm approaching the point where the Felguard is a lower percentage of my total damage than he used to be (although seeing those huge crits from him is still nice). Probably going to give a shot at a destruction build soon.