Warlock WWS Help and Analysis

• dragon12 · 11/26/08, 4:40 AM

Now that everyone's back raiding again it might be useful to have a thread where we can ask for specific help when looking at a WWS report. Rather than the old one which dealt with all of the raid, this one should focus on just warlock's dps and how to improve it.

I'll start with my own 10-man Patchwerk kill from a few days ago: WWS (WWS seemed to mangle parts of it, but all of my data should be ok).

I have a couple of things in the WWS that I need some help on:

Missing 5% of spells seems weird to me. I had ~9% hit from gear, 3% from talents to both destro and affliction, 1% from Draenei aura, 3% from Misery. I know it's a small sample size, but I would have expected to miss less than that. The same general percentages hold true for Loatheb earlier in the night as well.
Apart from that I think the main reason my dps is low compared to some other WWS floating around is because my dot uptime wasn't so good. Should have been time for ~98-99 dot ticks from everything but UA and immolate fell a fair bit short of that.

Any other comments are appreciated!

fallenman · 11/26/08, 10:53 AM

I'm going to copy and paste a portion of my WOTLK affliction raiding guide here. Basically, it's a synapse of how to determine your DoT uptime. I'd hope this is useful for anyone looking to dissect a warlock WWS report.

The sample below references a WWS brutallus report.

Let's figure out what my DoT uptime was. To start, we need to know what the total combat length of the boss fight was in seconds. At the top of a WWS report, you'll see the date, time, and length of fight in minutes/seconds. In my example, the fight was 2 minutes and 39 seconds long. So, that's 159 seconds.

Next, to figure out DoT uptime, we need to determine what 100% uptime would be for each DoT. This is done by taking the length of the fight and dividing it by the interval of a DoTs tick. For example, corruption, UA, siphon life, and immolate all tick every 3 seconds. 159 / 3 = 53. So, if I had 53 ticks of each of those DoTs, that would be 100% uptime. To see how many times your DoTs ticked, look under each spell, and look under the column that says "Dots".

I had as follows:
-Corruption: 48 ticks
-UA: 42 ticks
-Immolate: 39 ticks
-Siphon Life: 46 ticks

As you can see, in that fight my UA and Immolate uptime was not quite up to speed. Also, remember that 100% uptime is not realistic. Especially if the mechanics of the fight stress execution over DPS via moving around, doing other things, etc.

For CoA, which ticks every 2 seconds, that would be 159 / 2 = 79 (round down). I had 68 ticks, so that's not too bad. To determine uptime, take the number of ticks you had and divide it by the number of ticks you would have had with 100% uptime. So, for CoA: 68/79 = .86 or, 86% uptime. 85-90% uptime is a realistic goal in a stand-up tank and spank single target fight.

• Nicarras · 11/26/08, 12:27 PM

The problem with tracking DoT uptime, something I've debated tracking for myself now, is that on any fight where you arent on the boss 100% of the time your DoT uptimes will suffer with that calculation. So keep in mind if you have to fight adds, etc, during the fight when doing this.

It is nice to compare week to week if you track it historically so that you can see if you are getting better or worse.

• dragon12 · 11/26/08, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Nicarras

The problem with tracking DoT uptime, something I've debated tracking for myself now, is that on any fight where you arent on the boss 100% of the time your DoT uptimes will suffer with that calculation. So keep in mind if you have to fight adds, etc, during the fight when doing this.

It is nice to compare week to week if you track it historically so that you can see if you are getting better or worse.

Well really there will be only a couple of fights per tier that are useful for looking at WWS anyway. Like Gorefiend in BT, Brutallus in SWP, and now PW in Naxx. By looking at those fights in WWS you can get the basics right and hope to apply them to the fights where there is movement/adds etc.

• Nicarras · 11/26/08, 1:14 PM

Yeah I agree for a pure 'uptime' analysis. What is nice is to try your performance over a course of weeks, instead of just always looking at your latest parse and trying to remember how you did last week/etc. I try and pull that data out of WWS and put it into a spreadsheet for tracking purposes.

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I also see Warlocks claiming 4500+ dps on Patchwerk, can someone link a WWS of this on Naxx25 PW. thx

Stryker · 11/26/08, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by Nicarras

I also see Warlocks claiming 4500+ dps on Patchwerk, can someone link a WWS of this on Naxx25 PW. thx

I came in second last night (to a mage by 6k total dmg) at 4,300 DPS as 0/41/30, with quite a bit of computer lag at the start of the fight. At the time I had 2-pc t7 (both hero version), 4 pc t6 and a mix of WotLK blues/epics. I looked up our reports to link, but our wws shows the entire night, not individual boss parses. Anyone know if there's a different way to sort the data?

For the record, the priority I used was Immolate>CoA>incinerate, making sure not to clip CoA. MC uptime seemed quite decent with only CoA contributing (why corr when you can incin for upwards of 11k? :P )

Our melee had been doing very strong, but a couple died (?!?!?!) on this particular kill. Was nice to feel as dominant as we used to feel in sunwell

And don't forget your flame caps!

fallenman · 11/26/08, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by Nicarras

Yeah I agree for a pure 'uptime' analysis. What is nice is to try your performance over a course of weeks, instead of just always looking at your latest parse and trying to remember how you did last week/etc. I try and pull that data out of WWS and put it into a spreadsheet for tracking purposes.

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I also see Warlocks claiming 4500+ dps on Patchwerk, can someone link a WWS of this on Naxx25 PW. thx

Patchwerk : Maalakai

Haunt/Ruin warlock doing almost 4900dps.

Fearsalot · 11/26/08, 3:47 PM

Patchwerk:Fearsalot

4800-4900dps using Immo/CoA/Corruption glyphs. Might try a different trinket than [Item not found!] next week.

• Nicarras · 11/26/08, 4:03 PM

@Maalakai

He snuck an infernal in, didnt cast DS at all, and still managed to do all that? Hmm, apparently he had a ton of haste gear at that time as well. Interesting.

dcpwns · 11/26/08, 8:43 PM

I don't see any of the locks doing DS. At a certain point is just SP spam better? Or is it because no one is use to DS yet?

tusaki · 11/27/08, 10:03 AM

I don't see any of the locks doing DS. At a certain point is just SP spam better? Or is it because no one is use to DS yet?

Drain Soul rocks. I did 13K drain souls yesterday at patchwerk. (no WWS i'm afraid). Altough it could be both my trinkets procced at that time ([Dying Curse] and [Sundial of the Exiled]). But 10k drain souls are not uncommon. On average though I would say it ticks for 8k, which is like my average shadowbolt crit, only 100% of the time.

But I don't know what is better... dont refresh your dots and just DS.. or refresh your dots (which do more damage below 25% as well and shadowbolt to keep up DE). Or, like I did, a mix of both :S ... (shadowbolt twice, haunt, put up dots, drain soul)

Another thing: I've also just decided to forget about keeping 4pc t6 ... the stats are just too good on other items. And spirit is the way to go: 1/3 spirit in spelldamage, +extra lifetap scaling? yes please.

rutiene · 11/27/08, 4:01 PM

Does anyone know how often DS ticks?

Deviattor · 11/27/08, 5:10 PM

Every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, bringing it to a total of 5 ticks. The first tick is at 3 seconds, so you will have to wait until just after 3 seconds before you break it if you need to renew DoTs.

tusaki · 11/28/08, 11:15 AM

I said before that there was no WWS, but appearantly someone made one from that night

Here is a WWS from the 13546 Soul Drain ticks (Raid dps was low due to severe lag issues that evening though (at some points it was just unplayable))
Wow Web Stats

here is the filter of just Soul Drain
Wow Web Stats

21:43'17.735	Plusminus gains Drain Soul.
21:43'17.969	Patchwerk is afflicted by Drain Soul.
21:43'20.797	Patchwerk suffers 7484 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul. (1505 Resisted)
21:43'23.360	Patchwerk suffers 9355 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:43'25.813	Patchwerk suffers 9355 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:43'28.688	Patchwerk suffers 8419 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul. (753 Resisted)
21:43'36.797	Plusminus gains Drain Soul.
21:43'37.703	Patchwerk is afflicted by Drain Soul.
21:43'41.391	Patchwerk suffers 9187 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:43'43.985	Patchwerk suffers 8268 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul. (774 Resisted)
21:43'46.797	Patchwerk suffers 9188 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:43'57.235	Plusminus gains Drain Soul.
21:43'58.172	Patchwerk is afflicted by Drain Soul.
21:44'03.172	Patchwerk suffers 13546 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:44'05.563	Patchwerk suffers 12901 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:44'08.610	Patchwerk suffers 12901 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:44'11.625	Plusminus gains Drain Soul.
21:44'12.188	Patchwerk is afflicted by Drain Soul.
21:44'14.782	Patchwerk suffers 7643 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul.
21:44'17.938	Patchwerk suffers 6114 Shadow damage from Plusminus Drain Soul. (1288 Resisted)

I'm actually dissapointed it only ticks three or four times during the channel, but I can't complain about the damage.

The question remains though: whats the best strategy for <25%?

nikitabanana · 12/01/08, 9:40 AM

Ruin/Haunt, 5332 dps (patchwerk)

Wow Web Stats

I actually don't line up immolate to anything. It's a spell that takes priority over only shadowbolt for uptime and is not reapplied sub 20%, hence less ticks then other dots.