Aggro becomes an issue for me, too, Sergius. With optimizing ones damages, the old problem seems to be returning - rather strange, since I never expected that.

Check my lightweave for another data...

Could someone please check my stats here? I somehow dropped from 1st-3rd dd to 5th yesterday, yet, all checks seemed to be quite nice... some comments? I fear I miss some crucial point...

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Thanks

I just had another thought as well.

If my dying curse procs part way through a fight, is it worth recasting Corruption so the corruption being refreshed by EA now has a higher spellpower value than my original corruption cast (which will normally be outside of a proc).

"Does an everlasting affliction refresh keep the inital spellpower value when corruption was first cast, or does it use your spellpower value at the time of each refresh?"

Cheers,

Same here, everytime im doing more than around 4500 dps i start racing up on tank :S Loatheb for example, had to burn my shatter on 40% when i was at 6500 dps, but still caught and overtook the tank twice having to then stop casting, may go for -threat on cloak to give me a bit more help. Anyone have opinions of the Hand of Sacrifice buff? (think thats the name).

Were you not getting the spore buff on Loatheb or did the tank get hit with it? Done correctly no one should even be close to the tank on that fight.

If you were to get a -threat item i would get the 25 damage and -threat meta and still put Haste or lightweave on cloak.

The latter. It only rolls %-based damage modifiers, such as Ferocious Inspiration or Thaddius charges, but that's going to be fixed when the patch goes live, too.

Heya guys. I'm still having trouble trying to figure out what exactly I'm doing wrong -- or not good enough -- when DPSing as an affliciton lock.

I'm fairly new to raiding as a lock and very new to affliction so I'm still trying to get all of this down. I am still getting outdpsed by another affliction lock I raid with who has a similar spec. We both pop infernal around the same time and are both decently geared, but in some fights he ends up >1000 dps ahead of me.

Here's the WWS from lastnight: Wow Web Stats

I tried analyzing this myself, and I did notice a couple things...
- He uses a fel hunter, I use an imp
- He's got extra dmg (very little) from his tailoring profession enchant proc
- His drain soul accounts for 10% of his patchwerk damage while mine is only 7%
- His immolate damage is 10% higher than mine
---- His immolates are critting 70% of the time while mine are only critting 10% of the time
- His pandemic damage is 67% while mine is 33%

Other than that, our other dots are ticking about the same amount and doing an even amount of damage. I know that what I noticed above from the WWS has to be making that difference... But I'm not sure what part of my rotation I need to change or how to change it.

I Shadowbolt -> Haunt -> UA -> Immolate -> CoA -> Corruption -> SL (then shadowbolt until refreshes are needed) and to my knowledge, I always refresh my dots on time.

Another question -- For drain soul: I attempt to do this at 25% but have a feeling I'm waiting too long to start it. I also keep immolate up (as well as the other dots) while I'm draining soul. Is this correct? I use the best sp dmg food, flasks, etc and upon looking at his buffs last night it seemed that he was just using elixirs. I feel like my DPS should be 6000+ with my gear if I were DPSing properly. Let me know what you think.

Thanks again guys.

Edit: Note about my gear on armory -- Everything is correct except I use 4pc and gloves of the fallen wizard instead of 5pc like it shows

Ohh I gotcha... So shadow embrace can only be applied by one lock? So basically the first lock to shoot up a haunt gets +10% damage?

I wish I knew about this earlier :< I guarantee he did. He would be dishing out a sbolt first instead of a haunt if he wasn't trying to be the first one to apply it.

Yes, SE can only be applied and used by one lock. If he lets it fall off, someone else can put it up again, but only 1 lock can get the benefit on live. However, this *should* be fixed in 3.0.8, as the devs are well aware of the issue and have reported that it should be fixed on the PTR.

So here's my latest WWS from Naxx25: Wow Web Stats
The spec I used for that you can find in my Armory profile.

Here's the spec I tend to use (WWS of it here; the Felhunter was for its MD during 4H): WorldofWarcraft.com Warlock -> Talent Calculator

I'll note that I was just testing to see just how valuable Molten Core was for me compared to previous weeks. In the end, though, it didn't feel like it was worth dropping Improved Shadow Bolt, even with Glyph of Immolate.

The issue: back in this thread, Nukez posted dealing a substantial 5100+ DPS to Patchwerk during his run. After comparing armories and a PM or two, I get the feeling I should be doing a higher amount of DPS, especially during Patchwerk. I'm thinking that in the end I'm using Life Tap way too much, yet I can't think of how to solve that issue, since I generally do not use it unless a) I'm on the move (e.g. - Heigan, Thaddius' ledgejump); and/or b) literally cannot cast anything because I have about 300 mana.

Rotation: Immolate > Corruption > CoA* > Shadow Bolt filler > reapply dots

As for specific abilities: Metamorphosis I tend to save that for Bloodlust usage. Demonic Empowerment (Felguard) I use when up, but mostly just during bosses since trash tends to die too quickly. For Curse of Agony, I took a suggestion that I just drop it altogether (this you can see in the first WWS, specifically Patchwerk), even though it feels very counterintuitive to ignore it as a Demonology spec. For Rain of Fire vs. Seed: I was trying to get numbers on those for personal evaluation. I like using Rain more, though, since I cannot count the number of times that Seed has stopped casting because my target died during the AE madness.

Thanks in advance for any insights.

Hey guys couple some questions here... heres my armoryThe World of Warcraft Armory After reading these an other forums for good 2 hours i realised i did mess up on my spec a bit... would takeing 1 out of eradication and putting it into Imp SB be a dps increase? Take one out of Cataclysm also for Imp SB?

Fully raid buffed in 25m nax on pathcwork i stay at about 3500 dps... (i get 2700 on dummy)From what i can tell i do everything correctly.. my rotation is as fallenman has advised and im pretty good on refreshing... i drop infernal when tehres bout a min left in fight i DID forget to drain soul though... but i doubt if i did i would get above 4k like i read others are getting. I have about 2200 SP fully buffed. I even corrdinate with my shammy so he BL after im done tapping. I use Imp.
How much of a dps decrease would i take if i Did CoE instead of CoA?

Without WWS is there any tips or advice on what i can do? Ill get a WWS up soon so you guys can get a better idea. Thanks for everything!

I seem to be struggling to work out how people seem to easily break 5k DPS. On my latest Patchwerk fight I hit 4491 (I'm Pustule).

I'm not sure what else I can be doing, so any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

(this wasn't one of our best Nax runs, plagued with frequent and often heavy lag)

I think my gear is fairly good now. I do still have a couple of BT/SWP items simply because I've not had better drops come my way yet. I haven't re-gemmed or re-enchanted old gear or things I expect to replace soon. Missing a shoulder enchant currently (still working on rep). I did not have [Signet of Manifested Pain] for that fight, I got that at the end of the run, I was using [Amberglow Signet].

My belt has a +19 spell power gem, armoury doesn't seem to show that.

I think my DoT uptime is respectable. 4491 DPS over 196 seconds.
Unstable Affliction, 84.18%
Immolate. 68.88% (dropped from the rotation when boss hits 25% HP)
Corruption. 97.96*
Siphon Life, 93.37%
Curse of Agony, 90.82%
Haunt, 97.96%

I'm switching to Drain Soul as the filler for the last 25%
I was using the Imp due to Felhound problems.

edit: I'm flasked, and as I'm an alchemist I'm getting extra spell power from it.
edit: I'm using a spell stone.

My glpyhs are: Immolate, Siphon Life, Corruption.

I am geared to 13% hit, taking a further 1% from talents (Affliction and Destro) and assuming I'll get the other 3% from raid buffs as we usually have a spriest and a moonkin (I'm often not in a Draenei group).

Gear I expect to replace soon:
Neck, on our next Malygos kill I'll be getting [Wyrmrest Necklace of Power].
Legs, I'm intending to get [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster].
Hands, hoping to get [Valorous Plagueheart Gloves]. but we've only had 1 token drop in 7 weeks!
Ranged, I intend to get [Gemmed Wand of the Nerubians].

WWS

3 Drake Sartharion Kill in current armory gear.
Latest Naxx w/current armory gear w/ distorted limbs instead of valor legs

Armory

Armory Lite - The WoW Armory Alternative: Kanno of Dark Iron
I believe my haste rating is ~600 if armory doesn't show it.
Glyphs are immo, imp, and CoA


I follow these forums and others pretty well, and I'm just to the point where I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. My spec is 0/31/40 currently, and though I know I could probably eek out more dps as affliction, I just really enjoy playing this better. I was having trouble keeping up the rotations as affliction when I first hit 80, although I've considered going back and just practicing a bit more.

My reason for posting is that I see many warlock WWS's with similar destro specs, rotations, and gear level, and they do about 1000 more dps than I put out. On the heroic dummy, I can only seem to hit about 2400 (2700 on good RNG). As a TBC lock, I was used to having my name at the top of the meters and honestly, this is no fun

Possible concerns:
- Is my crit high enough? From all the research I've done, haste still outweighs crit even for destro locks, and I've geared appropriately. However I've seen many destro locks who seem to focus on crit much more than I do.

- Would 0/33/38 help? By that I mean switching from 1/3 demonic knowledge and 5/5 shadow and flame to 3/3 DK and 3/5 S&F. I'm not sure if there's an unbuffed spell damage number you need to reach for this to improve dps or not.

- Trinkets. I need dying curse to drop, and I probably should have spent my badges on sundial.

- Is my +hit in the right area? I've figured somewhere around 13% from gear would work best for a raiding lock with all the raid given +hit from other classes. I haven't really noticed any problem with misses yet.

Any help is appreciated!

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I have improved with your assistance after our last discussions, I would appreciate a review of this latest WWS. Please point out any issues you see, I would like to be closer to 5500dps and feel the use of the Infernal may be part of my key to success. Thanks for the assistance yet again.

My guild's most recent Nax25: WWS
My armory: Wowarmory

I'm not too sure what's wrong with my dps, but it seems like I should be doing much more than I'm doing right now. My dot up time seem ok. Would it perhaps be raid buffs? I know we don't have a disc priest and ele shaman which would add some more damage. The shadow priest was alive for all the fights except Thaddius where he got distracted and died running to the wrong charged side. BL is used at the whim of the shamans (~60% or some random time).

Edit: Just added some durations to make it easier for people.

Patchwerk duration: 222s
Corruption: 71 ticks (95.9%)
UA: 58 ticks (78.3%)
Immo: 50 ticks (67%)
Coa: 95 ticks (85.5%)
SL: 64 ticks (86.4%)
DS: 11 ticks

I dropped immo below 25% hp. I didn't have shadow embrace, the other warlock nabbed it =\ BL was at like 40% (darn them melee!).

Hullo guise

I've been playing 0/31/40 FG since the beginning of my WotlK raiding career and judging by some other the other locks here my DPS seem subpar considering how geared I'am.

Armory

Armory Profile - World of Warcraft

WWS

Wow Web Stats - Patchwork

I do my reasearch, although I have never been good with numbers I do my best to queeze every last bit of DPS out of my spec. I manage 4400DPS on Patchwork which I feel could be so much better. I'm just not sure where else I could be looking on improving wether it be spec, gems, glyphs or my rotation.

My current rotation is: COE > COR > Immo > Incin spam while squeezing in a LT for the 4 piece bonus and popping SB when Corruption glyph procs. Rinse and repeat.

Glyphs

Glyph of Corruption
Glyph of Imp
Glyph or Immolate

Concerns

1. Should I work on more hit gear?
2. Should I improve on spell power?
3. Is my crit high enough?
4. Is 0/31/40 holding me back should I look at going deeper into Destro?
5. Can I impove on my rotation?

Any suggestions or help on how I could best improve my overall DPS would be greatly appreciated.

No, I hadn't. To be honest, the Infernal has been next-to-useless for so long I'd pretty much forgotten it and hadn't realised it had a far faster casting time than other demons. I'll give this a go next time around.

Yeah, the previous week where we killed Patch in 180 seconds I also had 8 ticks, so I'm not sure why my count was the same in a longer fight. I was actually trying to keep DS up longer in preference to refreshing DoTs as they dropped off.

One thing I've noticed : Its funny that people post / use patchwerk kills as a comparison, but it is only relative to the raid dps since the higher the raid dps is, the higher your dps will be, regardless of 'skill' or 'gear'. (because of the higher relative % of heroism / cooldowns)

Of course, it is the 'best' fight we have to compare DPS, but it is not the end all - be all. Even if you compare your own DPS from this week to last week, if you have a few new people in, an extra healer, more raid-lag, this will affect your DPS more than gear, grlyps or spec ever will.

I'm not sure why it's so funny - can you think of any better measure of our DPS in a raid situation? Of course it's not perfect, but it's much better than any other benchmark I can think of.

Sorry, I maybe phrased it badly. It is indeed the best DPS - meter in wow atm. I only meant to warn people that if you compare your DPS from week to week or to other WWS parses, other factors such as raidmakup/lag play a significant factor to DPS differences, probably even more than your changes in gear / spec or glyphs.

Patchy is probably the best we have to determine stand and nuke DPS.
However, personally I feel fights like Noth, Faerlina, Anub 'rekan or Gluth are more typical of the "tank and spank" + gimmick fights that seem to be the order of the day in WoW, and therfore could provide more realistic numbers for your run of the mill boss fight.
That being said, there is alot to be said for standardization and straight up patchy fights allow people to analyse and breakdown the fights for the purpose of theory crafting.
You have to take patchy reports with a pinch of salt, nobody is going to be busting out 5.5K + on every fight. But its also alluring to see what your capable of
Personally I tend to look at the "all boss fights" option in WWS to give me an idea of my general raid performance.

EDIT: missed the last two posts in the time it took me to get to the Submit button so I have basically just said the same thing again and already been responded to... meh.

Just lookin for general help on how to improve. I'm only posting Sarth +3 WWS since it's really the only thing that matters at this point, Naxx is more of an alt thing at this point.

25 man sarth+3
Gwen Stefani Sarth+3
Spec is 53/3/15
Glyphs: Immo, CoA, SL

my amazing and beautiful armory!

Sarth+3, it is such a dynamic fight that we can't really advice how you can improve dps in that fight since it can depend on a lot of things such as are you moving a lot or being hit by lava waves and such kind of things and the aoe factor...

Here is mine for example.
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I aoe'd like twice more than you.