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01/20/09, 2:40 PM
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#276
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Syrrah
Just lookin for general help on how to improve. I'm only posting Sarth +3 WWS since it's really the only thing that matters at this point, Naxx is more of an alt thing at this point.
25 man sarth+3
Gwen Stefani Sarth+3
Spec is 53/3/15
Glyphs: Immo, CoA, SL
my amazing and beautiful armory!
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If you go in portals, WWS will cut the pulls up further, so it's a bit hard to see on this. However I'd say you need to work on your Tenebron/Shadron damage. You were 10th and 8th respectively in damage done (which is not even including the hunters since their pets probably push them past you). You make up for it on the final stretch of just DPSing Sartharion, but honestly the fight is over at that point.
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01/21/09, 5:27 AM
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#277
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Glass Joe
Orc Death Knight
Arathi (EU)
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Originally Posted by Syrrah
Just lookin for general help on how to improve. I'm only posting Sarth +3 WWS since it's really the only thing that matters at this point, Naxx is more of an alt thing at this point.
25 man sarth+3
Gwen Stefani Sarth+3
Spec is 53/3/15
Glyphs: Immo, CoA, SL
my amazing and beautiful armory!
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Some basics:
- 6% SB miss. Work on your hit gear... Or maybe you rely on some Moonkin/SPriest and they didn't work as intended?
- Death Coil: 3 casted... Why on earth should you use such piece of crap in a PvE fight? It really lowers your overall DPS mate. If you have aggro, run in AoE and use a Soulshatter while dotting other drakes.
True, Naxx is more an Alt thing those days, and is not representative of real DPS as fights are fast and people are burning their CDs. But Sarth is the worth fight for Affli because you need to avoid lava waves, even if you handle them as a pro, preventing you from having a proper and maximized DoT Cycle. And looking at your number of DoTs ticks, it is true.
Last edited by Esfernum : 01/21/09 at 5:28 AM.
Reason: Typo
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01/21/09, 1:31 PM
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#278
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Banned
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I'd like a review. I do pretty well considering the relative strengths of my guild, and the gear involved but I've never really gone over 3500 dps and I wonder if im missing something or if its just gear limitations. I've been trying to get Dying curse for awhile and i should have it within a week or so, per dkp, but other then that and my boots, im not sure what else i could do to max out.
25 man naxx, full spider wing, plauge wing to thaddius, a few attempts on him.
Wow Web Stats
Armory:
53/0/18 Shodan (Affliction)
The World of Warcraft Armory
Last edited by Shodan30 : 01/21/09 at 1:45 PM.
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01/21/09, 3:31 PM
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#279
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Glass Joe
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I tried out destro after 3.0.8 and I am not sure if am a fan or not. The guild is for the most part better geared than I am but being at the bottom really hurts the old ego. It was my first time trying destro and found that working with the conflag/CB cooldowns was not easy. I actually find it easier to manage affliction than destro. But, before writing destro off I would like to get some feedback.
Stats at the time of the parse:
Spec - 0/20/51 (all the imp talents)
SP - 1910 w/shield no raid buffs
Hit - 180
Crit - 20%
Haste - 220
I got a fair number of upgrades after the raid (Shoulders, boots, off-hand, pants)
http://wowwebstats.com/fpepbmjhr25we
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01/21/09, 3:50 PM
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#280
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Don Flamenco
Gnome Warlock
Alterac Mountains
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Originally Posted by Dagaves
I tried out destro after 3.0.8 and I am not sure if am a fan or not. The guild is for the most part better geared than I am but being at the bottom really hurts the old ego. It was my first time trying destro and found that working with the conflag/CB cooldowns was not easy. I actually find it easier to manage affliction than destro. But, before writing destro off I would like to get some feedback.
Stats at the time of the parse:
Spec - 0/20/51 (all the imp talents)
SP - 1910 w/shield no raid buffs
Hit - 180
Crit - 20%
Haste - 220
I got a fair number of upgrades after the raid (Shoulders, boots, off-hand, pants)
Wow Web Stats
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Why in gods name is your hit lower than it should have been 10 levels ago? you're more that 100 hit below the accepted cap.
Here's why your dps is in bad sahpe:
You missed, 2.8% of your incinerates, 7.7% of your conflags and immolates alike, and I'm sure if you could miss with chaosbolt you would have missed there too (talking about patchwerk specifically).
Oddly enough you missed very few curse of agony's which is good luck for you I supose.
I miss 0 of my spells when casting except for CoA.
Also you need to add in corruption to your rotation.
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The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.
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01/21/09, 4:13 PM
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#281
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Feathermoon
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Feedback
This is my latest WWS report. I am wondering if I am on par with other warlocks in roughly the same gear and spec. I am seeing many warlocks saying they are doing over 5k and I havent reached that goal as of yet. This is last nights report of 4 wings on Naxx.
Wow Web Stats
I have recently put DS into my rotation at 25% but as you can see from the report it is very new and I sometimes get caught up in my timers still and forget.
My rotation is SB UA Immo CoA Corr Sl and Haunt with SB filler. We usually have a SP and a DK in Group so I don't have to run CoE anymore and I get the 3% hit from Misery. I have been reading the forums and am unsure if I am on par with others.
Just a little useful feedback would be great if you notice and big discrepancies especially.
Link to current Armory Profile
The World of Warcraft Armory
I have a few upgrades to make still and am aware of them. Which include my main hand weapon, Bracers, Gloves, Pants and Rings.I am also working towards the Tierset bonus. So my gear itemization is still in the works as well as my hit rating moving frequently. I plan to be hard hit capped soon then I can remove the talent points from Suppression to something more useful as well as Cataclysm.
Last edited by Amandajg : 01/27/09 at 2:44 PM.
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01/22/09, 12:00 AM
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#282
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Glass Joe
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http://wowwebstats.com/6lspvgvmihsq5?a=x16dee68
So I was looking at this, and I'm just not sure why my DPS is so low. I'm not missing, and I feel as if I have my rotation down fairly well.. Could it be my spec? I have been trying to figure out possibilities but I can't. Should I try destro and see how it is?
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01/22/09, 1:36 PM
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#283
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Glass Joe
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Wow Web Stats
im thinking that im doing the dps that i should be doing with the gear and spec that i am currently. Can someone verify that or tell me what im not doing right.
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01/22/09, 2:14 PM
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#284
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Gorgonnash
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Originally Posted by Valyrian
Wow Web Stats
im thinking that im doing the dps that i should be doing with the gear and spec that i am currently. Can someone verify that or tell me what im not doing right.
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You could be doing more DPS than you did. You need to work on your Haunt uptime, it was 79% even if you never clipped the debuff. Haunt should be your priority debuff to maintain. Additionally, your CoA uptime was only 83%, you could probably push that a little higher as well. Finally, you didn't use drain soul at all during the final 25%. You should drop immolate from your rotation at that point and use DS as filler instead of SB, trying to break after ticks to refresh dots (especially haunt) as needed.
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01/22/09, 2:39 PM
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#285
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Amandajg
This is my latest WWS report. I am wondering if I am on par with other warlocks in roughly the same gear and spec. I am seeing many warlocks saying they are doing over 5k and I havent reached that goal as of yet. This is last nights report of 4 wings on Naxx.
Wow Web Stats
I have recently put DS into my rotation at 25% but as you can see from the report it is very new and I sometimes get caught up in my timers still and forget.
My rotation is SB UA Immo CoA Corr Sl and Haunt with SB filler. We usually have a SP and a DK in Group so I don't have to run CoE anymore and I get the 3% hit from Misery. I have been reading the forums and am unsure if I am on par with others.
Just a little useful feedback would be great if you notice and big discrepancies especially.
Link to current Armory Profile
The World of Warcraft Armory
I have a few upgrades to make still and am aware of them. Which include my main hand weapon, Bracers, Gloves, Pants and Rings.I am also working towards the Tierset bonus. So my gear itemization is still in the works as well as my hit rating moving frequently. I plan to be hard hit capped soon then I can remove the talent points from Suppression to something more useful as well as Cataclysm.
Thanks
Amandajg
Belf Warlock
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You might be a bit overkill on the hit as-is. You have roughly 14% untalented, with the extra 3% to hit from raid you're already at cap, not even taking into account talents (3/3 suppression, 1/3 cataclysm for you). I would either change your talents around, or swap out some of your +hit gems for +sp dmg.
I did the math on your up-times (Actually made an excel spreadsheet so I don't have to do them by hand anymore).
Total fight time: 225
DoT % uptime
UA - 0.826666667
Immo - 0.706666667
Corr - 0.933333333
SL - 0.72
CoA - 0.871111111
# haunts total uptime
Haunt 17 204 0.906666667
You might want to work on the Siphon life and immolation uptimes. Immolation might be a bit low due to dropping it out during DS, if you don't drop it during DS you need to work on your uptime for that then.
Best advice is to work on your uptimes and drain soul a bit. DPS should go up. Best of luck.
EDIT: graph formatting was getting messed up, removed other columns.
Last edited by Bacon oClock : 01/22/09 at 2:44 PM.
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01/22/09, 5:15 PM
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#286
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Feathermoon
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Originally Posted by Bacon oClock
I did the math on your up-times (Actually made an excel spreadsheet so I don't have to do them by hand anymore).
Total fight time: 225
DoT % uptime
UA - 0.826666667
Immo - 0.706666667
Corr - 0.933333333
SL - 0.72
CoA - 0.871111111
# haunts total uptime
Haunt 17 204 0.906666667
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Thanks Bacon for the valuable input. I will work on the things you suggested and comeback for a second look. Also is there a link anywhere to that wonderful Spreadsheet? The math getting to there is sometimes beyond my abilities. Thanks again.
Last edited by Amandajg : 01/27/09 at 3:27 PM.
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01/22/09, 6:14 PM
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#287
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Glass Joe
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Could anyone help me out with my WWS? I feel like i should be doing slightly more dps at my gear level.
WWS Report
Armory
The problem might be with my rotation at <25%. Is it typically better to refresh every dot at this point or just DS the whole time?
Thanks for the help.
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01/22/09, 6:36 PM
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#288
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Descendbot
Is it typically better to refresh every dot at this point or just DS the whole time?
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Sub 25 is only different because your Drain Soul DPCT goes above Shadow Bolt. It's still best to keep all shadow DoTs going for DPCT reasons as well as keeping Affliction debuffs up to make DS hit harder.
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01/22/09, 9:08 PM
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#289
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Don Flamenco
Human Warlock
Emerald Dream (EU)
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I ran 0/20/51 today, and must say I'm quite pleased.
Esspecially mana seems to be exceptional in this spec. I made a good bunch of mistakes still, but here's the WWS:
Wow Web Stats
Note that, the other Warlock used a doomguard, otherwise he'd be pretty far above me (at about 6.4k).
He has slightly better gear than me though (I seriously need to get rid of some hit). The potion I used was crazy alch pot, the random potion effect I got was mana potion. Honestly Alchemy is pretty overpowered right now.
I'm esspecially interested in seeing a comparable 2/13/56 wws.
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01/22/09, 9:28 PM
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#290
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Warlocomotif
I ran 0/20/51 today, and must say I'm quite pleased.
Esspecially mana seems to be exceptional in this spec. I made a good bunch of mistakes still, but here's the WWS:
Wow Web Stats
Note that, the other Warlock used a doomguard, otherwise he'd be pretty far above me (at about 6.4k).
He has slightly better gear than me though (I seriously need to get rid of some hit). The potion I used was crazy alch pot, the random potion effect I got was mana potion. Honestly Alchemy is pretty overpowered right now.
I'm esspecially interested in seeing a comparable 2/13/56 wws.
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I've been running 2/13/56 since WoTLK started.
WMO
I could tighten up my cooldowns a bit, I missed a few conflags. Interesting that you run Glyph of Immolate as opposed to CoA Warlocomotif, why is that?
5/5 FnB seems to be weaker than the glyph anyway if you compare our Immolate damage, although your fight did last slightly longer (10s). Do you Conflag every cd or only once per Immo?
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01/22/09, 9:52 PM
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#291
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Banned
Blood Elf Warlock
Mazrigos (EU)
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Originally Posted by Xanzoken
I've been running 2/13/56 since WoTLK started.
WMO
I could tighten up my cooldowns a bit, I missed a few conflags. Interesting that you run Glyph of Immolate as opposed to CoA Warlocomotif, why is that?
5/5 FnB seems to be weaker than the glyph anyway if you compare our Immolate damage, although your fight did last slightly longer (10s). Do you Conflag every cd or only once per Immo?
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Glyph of Immolate is one of the best glyphs you can have as fire destro?
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01/22/09, 9:59 PM
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#292
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Don Flamenco
Human Warlock
Emerald Dream (EU)
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Originally Posted by Xanzoken
I've been running 2/13/56 since WoTLK started.
WMO
I could tighten up my cooldowns a bit, I missed a few conflags. Interesting that you run Glyph of Immolate as opposed to CoA Warlocomotif, why is that?
5/5 FnB seems to be weaker than the glyph anyway if you compare our Immolate damage, although your fight did last slightly longer (10s). Do you Conflag every cd or only once per Immo?
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It's been a while since I did this numbercrunch, and quit frankly I havent done the numbercrunch in a while- so I'll do some napkinmath on-the-go here:
I did 94970 damage with immolate, ~59486 of that is dot damage, 35484 is direct damage.
Before Glyph of immolate that is (59486/1.2=)49572 and (35484/0.9=)39427 respectively.
Which totals 88998 damage before the glyph.
Difference: 5972 Damage. In 170 seconds, that's 35 DPS (Okay Glyph of CoA is looking a lot nicer right now).
As for Glyph of CoA, your CoA does an average 537 per tick vs my average 483. Thats 27 DPS assuming 100% uptime.
As for the duration extension, in a 170 second fight you can fit a maximum of 85 ticks.
If you had no glyph, that would cost you 7.08 casts, with glyph it costs you 6.07.
With 600 haste, and 8% from raid buffs, that means you gain:
(7.08-6.07) * (1.5 / (1.08 + (600/32.79))) = 1.1995s
When doing 5534 DPS, with 771 DPS coming from my imp, that 1.1995 would translate into:
1.1995*(5534-771=4763)=5713 Damage, which in the 170 second fight is 33.6 DPS.
Totalling the glyphs value at 60.6 DPS when assuming 100% uptime.
100% uptime however isn't reasonable to assume, still Glyph of CoA quite clearly comes out on top. I'm changing glyphs before tomorrow
[edit] Would love if anyone has some correction to these numbers[/edit]
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As for my conflag behaviour. I mostly just improvise. If conflag is off cooldown, but there's 3 seconds left before immolate runs out while chaos bolt is up- i'll probably wait. If there's 4 seconds and chaos bolt has 3 seconds cooldown left, ill probably be able to squeeze in 2 incinerates, and spend the third charge on Chaos bolt.
So, the short anwser is 2 conflags per immo-- but very much improvised.
[edit 2]
So, I was just having a snack- and all sorts of mistakes in the above math came up in my mind. For starters I should really use the real CoA uptime I had; 72 out of a possible 85 ticks means 85% uptime.
Second, I dont have the CoA talent. I assumed that because my min CoA damage was quite close to your min coa damage- we'd have similar spellpower and that I could compare the 2 reasonably. However if Y reduce your CoA damage by 10% the average damage from my CoA pretty much matches the average damage from your CoA.
I'll post an edit 3 with better napkinmath.
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So I calculated the new average dot damage by looking at the log file and adding 33% to the largest dot, adding it all together and deviding by 14-- turns out it's a dps gain of ~19.16 assuming 100% uptime, or 16.23 DPS assuming the actual uptime.
Adding the uptime to the cast time saved part of the formula is a lot easier:
(5713/85*72)/170=28.9 DPS
Totalling the glyph at roughly 48 DPS. Still better than glyph of Immolate by about 13 dps.
Last edited by Warlocomotif : 01/22/09 at 11:12 PM.
Reason: See post.
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01/23/09, 11:20 AM
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#293
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Amandajg
Thanks Bacon for the valuable input. I will work on the things you suggested and comeback for a second look. Also is there a link anywhere to that wonderful Spreadsheet? The math getting to there is sometimes beyond my abilities. Thanks again.
Amandajg
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I'll post a link to the spreadsheet later, I'll clean it up a bit first so its easier to use.
The math is fairly straightforward though.
To calculate uptime:
open up your WWS and look at the total time for the kill in seconds. In this case its 225 seconds.
From this we need to figure what 100% uptime is.
Take 225 / 3 = 75. 100% uptime for UA,corr,immo,SL is 75 ticks for the fight.
Take 225 / 2 = 111 rounded. 100% uptime for CoA is 111 ticks.
Divide the number of ticks you had on the patchwerk fight by the 100% uptime ticks. For example, you had 62 UA ticks.
62/ 75(100% uptime) = .8266 or 82.7% uptime.
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01/23/09, 11:36 AM
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#294
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Von Kaiser
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I'd like to see if I could have done anything better with my last Patchwerk fight.
http://wowwebstats.com/gyc2co22sdiwa?s=87008-127708
Glyphs:
Glyph of Immolate
Glyph of Siphon Life
Glyph of Curse of Agony
I decided to test out my succubus because we had a disp priest and a warrior tank. The timing on my infernal seemed about right since he died within a couple of seconds of Patchwerk going down. The latency last night was fairly high and the fps was fairly low.
I read about people breaking 5/6k dps and having 15k drain soul ticks. Is my limitation my gear or am I doing something wrong?
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01/23/09, 11:46 AM
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#295
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Feathermoon
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Originally Posted by NinjaSquirrel
I'd like to see if I could have done anything better with my last Patchwerk fight.
Wow Web Stats
Glyphs:
Glyph of Immolate
Glyph of Siphon Life
Glyph of Curse of Agony
I decided to test out my succubus because we had a disp priest and a warrior tank. The timing on my infernal seemed about right since he died within a couple of seconds of Patchwerk going down. The latency last night was fairly high and the fps was fairly low.
I read about people breaking 5/6k dps and having 15k drain soul ticks. Is my limitation my gear or am I doing something wrong?
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I've been struggling to break 5700DPS on patch with optimal group comp.
Moonkin / Ele Shaman / Disc priest PI'ing me Exclusively / Shadow priests/ Dropping infernal / etc.
I believe my best so far has been 5780-ish.
I don't have all best in slot yet, but pretty damn close.
Edit for typo.
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01/23/09, 2:39 PM
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#296
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by brashar
I've been struggling to break 5700DPS on patch with optimal group comp.
Moonkin / Ele Shaman / Disc priest PI'ing me Exclusively / Shadow priests/ Dropping infernal / etc.
I believe my best so far has been 5780-ish.
I don't have all best in slot yet, but pretty damn close.
Edit for typo.
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I hope to get to that level myself, we had a good group last night (Moonkin, Ele Shaman, Disc Priest, Shadow Priest) so I was just wondering if I should have surpassed the 4.3k that I did with the gear that I have.
Also, was I doing something wrong that my Drain Soul ticks didn't go over 10k? (Again, I am wondering if my dps is a gear limitation or if I was doing something wrong)
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01/23/09, 3:01 PM
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#297
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Glass Joe
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Did you and the other lock have all your dots/debuffs up? We have similar stats and I get 11-13k DS ticks.
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01/23/09, 3:15 PM
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#298
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Glass Joe
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WWS Analysis
Hello, this is a repost but I feel I didn't offer enough input, which is why I believe I didn't get any help.
http://wowwebstats.com/6lspvgvmihsq5...961&a=x16dee68
This is a link to a WWS of my guilds 25 man Malygos kill. Now I know this fight isn't the best to look at but its the only one we have started to WWS (Since I am the only guild member willing to record the parses). Now that whenever I raid we have WWS I believe it will push us all to be better, but on with what I am looking for.
I looked into my WWS, and did some number crunches on my DoT uptime.
3 min
180 sec
60 TPF 100%- UA/Corr/Immo/SL (48, 30, 44, 53) (80%, 50%, 73%, 88%)
90 TPF 100%- CoA (85) 94%
(TPF=Ticks per fight)
This is the math that I came up with, if anyone see's anything wrong can you please correct me.
Now my question is, how in the world did I get only 50% corruption uptime? The only thing I can think of is haunt not refreshing it (Because of the off-time ticks after refreshing corruption via haunt) and causing it to drop off, and me not realizing it. At the time I was 55/0/16 but I recently re-specced to see what kind of damage FG/Emberstorm could bring, due to all the haunt/SE bugs (Now fixed, I know). If anyone see's anything else that I did wrong please feel free to let me know, only upgrade I didnt have then that I am currently using is the Helm of Rationality, which I got on this kill
Another question I have is about pets. I generally use my felpup but in a lot of recent parses I am seeing a One Minute infernal outdpsing three minutes of fel pup, I was wondering when I should summon it, and even if I should.
Edit: Keep in mind this is Malygos and I couldn't DS (Obvious I know, but just forewarning  )
Thanks for your help, I hope to hear back soon.
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01/23/09, 3:40 PM
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#299
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Warlocomotif
As for the duration extension, in a 170 second fight you can fit a maximum of 85 ticks.
If you had no glyph, that would cost you 7.08 casts, with glyph it costs you 6.07.
With 600 haste, and 8% from raid buffs, that means you gain:
(7.08-6.07) * (1.5 / (1.08 + (600/32.79))) = 1.1995s
When doing 5534 DPS, with 771 DPS coming from my imp, that 1.1995 would translate into:
1.1995*(5534-771=4763)=5713 Damage, which in the 170 second fight is 33.6 DPS.
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It's slightly less than that since you can't multiply it by your average DPS, you should be using the filler's expected DPS. Your incinerates hit for 7030 on average. 2.25/ (1.08+(600/32.79))=1.766. DPCT is 3981. 3981*1.11995=4775. Divide by 170 = 28.1 DPS.
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01/23/09, 5:56 PM
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Don Flamenco
Human Warlock
Emerald Dream (EU)
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Originally Posted by Trickykid
It's slightly less than that since you can't multiply it by your average DPS, you should be using the filler's expected DPS. Your incinerates hit for 7030 on average. 2.25/ (1.08+(600/32.79))=1.766. DPCT is 3981. 3981*1.11995=4775. Divide by 170 = 28.1 DPS.
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You're completely correct. When adding edit 3 of that post into this (real world uptime) that makes it:
(4775/85*72)/170=23.8 DPS, totalling the glyph at 40 DPS. Still ahead of Glyph of Immo, now only by 5 DPS though.
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