So, I'm testing destruction now that they changed the conflag glyph and now I'm just looking for general advices on how to improve my dps. Didn't use any type of extra consumables (Speed Pot, Infernal) because it'd be a waste to use those on Razuvious (And Naxx in general, to be honest). Wrath WWS
Hi - i am looking for some help for my wife who is an affliction warlock. Whenever we raid 10 man naxx or Sartaharion (the only raids we do ATM) she is low on the Meters - like 5th or 6th and because she is a sensitive soul she is getting very upset by it.
She does not understand Theory Crafting (nor do i for that matter) and so i have spent the last 2 hours reading these forums in the hopes that i can pick up some help for her to cheer her up.
Here is the wws of our Naxx run tonight - She is Mirren - the only warlock.WWS of Naxx 24/1/09
Hi - i am looking for some help for my wife who is an affliction warlock. Whenever we raid 10 man naxx or Sartaharion (the only raids we do ATM) she is low on the Meters - like 5th or 6th and because she is a sensitive soul she is getting very upset by it.
She does not understand Theory Crafting (nor do i for that matter) and so i have spent the last 2 hours reading these forums in the hopes that i can pick up some help for her to cheer her up.
Here is the wws of our Naxx run tonight - She is Mirren - the only warlock.WWS of Naxx 24/1/09
Any pointers would be very useful and thanks in advance
Look at a couple of the WWS from the last page of this thread before this one.
While the other 2 affliction locks I am looking at have shadowbolt as their top DPS its a matter of 20% to 19% for corruption and then other dots.
I see no immolate at all on your wife's WWS thats a huge dps hit right there, her presence in the raid says 3:53 while the top two guys have a presence of 3:59 this means she was afk/incapacitated or otherwise doing nothing for 6 minutes of dps this is going to hurt her ranks on the meters also.
Look at the affliction warlock dots and you thread and have her try using one of the posted rotations which I believe is more or less SB, Haunt, immo, UA, corr, coa, SL then maintain, SBs are filler
Hi - i am looking for some help for my wife who is an affliction warlock. Whenever we raid 10 man naxx or Sartaharion (the only raids we do ATM) she is low on the Meters - like 5th or 6th and because she is a sensitive soul she is getting very upset by it.
She does not understand Theory Crafting (nor do i for that matter) and so i have spent the last 2 hours reading these forums in the hopes that i can pick up some help for her to cheer her up.
Here is the wws of our Naxx run tonight - She is Mirren - the only warlock.WWS of Naxx 24/1/09
Any pointers would be very useful and thanks in advance
As the previous poster mentioned she needs to be working immolate in.
Also looking at Razuvious - Her haunt was up at most for 168 seconds while other dots are indicating at least 225 of the 251 seconds of combat where she was dpsing. giving her 67-75% uptime with the debuff from Haunt.
She needs to do a better job of keeping Haunt up and dot uptime in general. It seems like she could have gotten a few more ticks in. If she isn't using a specific dot addon I suggest Nugrunning or something similar that allows her to watch dots more easily.
There are also a few adjustments to the affliction talent tree that can be done to pickup Ruin in the destruction talent tree.
Last edited by deathmancer : 01/24/09 at 10:53 PM.
Hi - i am looking for some help for my wife who is an affliction warlock. Whenever we raid 10 man naxx or Sartaharion (the only raids we do ATM) she is low on the Meters - like 5th or 6th and because she is a sensitive soul she is getting very upset by it.
She does not understand Theory Crafting (nor do i for that matter) and so i have spent the last 2 hours reading these forums in the hopes that i can pick up some help for her to cheer her up.
Here is the wws of our Naxx run tonight - She is Mirren - the only warlock.WWS of Naxx 24/1/09
Any pointers would be very useful and thanks in advance
Regarding her gear and spec:
With that meta gem she should put pure spell damage gems in all sockets. The spec is terrible (for many reasons, mainly because she doesn't have ruin), World of Warcraft Europe -> Talents would be a better choice if she wants to stay Affliction.
Regarding her rotation: Immolate and DOT uptime has already been mentioned.
She should use the Felhunter instead of the Imp as it does more DPS, and also buffs spirit and int to the raid. If these buffs are covered by other raid members the Succubus seems to do slightly more damage and would then be the best pet to use (on fights where a melee pet can be kept up obviously). Doomguard and Infernal should be used when they are off cooldown.
She should use Drain Soul as a filler when the boss is below 25% instead of Shadowbolt, as it's a huge dps increase, I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet. I think most of this is covered in the Affliction topic so I suggest you get her to read it.. but I think she should try some kind of Demo/Destruction hybrid like 31/40 as they are alot easier to play.
She may find that the 41/30 felguard build also returns a lot of DPS for the less attentive / skilled of us.
Thats why I play it most of the time :P (That and that its physiolocically impossible for me to be hungover and play Affliction at the same time.) - I pushed out 4.2k on patchy the other day, which while not as spectacular as some of the guys on here breaking 5 - 6k, its pretty respectable and I topped the meter.
If however she wants to stick with affliction, then follow the tips as the guys above have said, get Immolate in there and get that spec changed a bit.
Once she has that done (and some complimentary Glyphs) get her to a target dummy to practice the rotation for a bit. It really does take some practice. Its quite relaxing actually just practicing it. half an hour or so on the dummy and you will get a real feel for the rotation.
I use Timerbuttons to help me keep track of dots - Personally i find the way it has separate static bars for each dot really helpful to me.
I did actually write a guide to affy for a guild member who was struggling with it a bit. Posted it on our guild forums.
If you want to send me a PM i can send you a copy if you like.
(its a bit toungue in cheek humor wise and there might be a few guild "in" jokes in there. But your welcome to it if it might help your wife )
First i want to thank the people that took time to look at Mirren's WWS and Spec. The game needs more people like you that take the time to help another player out.
We changed her Spec to build in Ruin and we changed her rotation to build in the missing immolate.
As you can see quite a drastic change. Now as far as rotations go we were on Grobby for a while (as a group we are still learning Naxx) and then went onto Gluth and finally Thaddius. Apart from the fact that she missed the Thaddius jump the 1st go round and Grobbulus is a mobile fight her DoT uptime worked out as:
CoA : 52%
Corruption : 67 %
UA: 42%
SL: 63%
Immo: 38% (still getting used to it)
Is this the sort of numbers one would expect from a mobile fight? Has anyone got any tips on fitting them all in? (she was saying that she had a problem getting them all in on time) Obviously (to me) Immo and UA are low % to what i would expect. And if Corruption refreshes itself, why is it only 67%?
Could someone tell me how i calculate her uptime for Haunt? and what does that Mitigation column mean? (i understand mitigation as regards tanking but for casters? meh! XD)
Unless she was getting the injection alot on grobbulus, her dot uptimes are still very low. CoA / SL on mobile fights should still have very high uptimes being instant casts.
Even for grob you still have plenty of time to stop and reapply haunt / UA / immolate. She needs to work on her dot uptimes still.
If she is still having trouble with immolate, have her cast it right after UA. The timers will be the same so she can just repeat that the whole fight.
She should be using Drain Soul sub 25% instead of shadowbolt as well.
I got so happy for a second thinking you were on my server, was gonna suggest you send me an ingame message. But alas, your on the European server. XD
Frist off, corruption doesnt reset itself, it's haunt that resets corruption. For movement fights I've found the best thing to do is to figure out a pattern and play the anticipation game. Remember one thing about casting and in game lag is that you can actually cast the next spell about 2/3rd into your current cast (with GCD up). Back in BC, I would chain cast shadowbolt spam by casting a new one well into my current cast. Of course everything else about warlock dps has changed, but that has not. The lag you see on your screen will be slightly different than in game lag. Anytime she has a moment to stop she should be recasting her dots, assuming they aren't up already. Haunt>Shadowbolt>UA>Immolate by order of preference in these situations. Siphon life, agony, and corruption I don't think should really be an issue, but ptuting up haunt would be.
It would be better if we knew how her lag is, if she's ok with lag, or really suffering, because she should have higher uptime.
If she has trouble trying to seam in immolate, I suggest a sequence macro. It works really fine for me, but has its disadvantages:
If she misses on immolate by chance, than the macro will reset itself and you will lose ur UA by reapplying it. So..use this with cuation and always have immolate binded by itself.
Another thing with talents: I noticed two minor things: She isn't hit capped and would do wel to spec 3/3 into supression. Also..lose improved drain soul and darkpact. Both are nonissues.
Grobbulus is very random and probably not what you want to work with (though it is a good exercise for a mobile fight, you want to get 'trained up' on stationary ones and get comfortable with your rotation).
A couple of thoughts, looking at her gear and talents:
Talents:
Compared to a few days back, her unbuffed hit looks very nice (364), good enough that if you know you reliably have a SP or boomkin to provide the other 3%, you can free up the single points remaining in Suppression and Cataclysm. Where to put them is flexible on the Affliction side (since most of it ends up in junk), but for Destruction you could move your one Cataclysm point over to Molten Core and get that buff up on your Immolate roughly 50-60% of the time (I think). You might even consider moving your one 'free' point at the end of Affliction from Dark Pact over to 2/3 Molten Core.
Gear:
- Do Heroic Oculus and get her the [Cuffs of Winged Levitation].
- Try to get the Wyrmrest exalted boots. Their stats are mighty fine.
- If you can get [Band of Guile], that is almost an exact duplicate of [Annhylde's Ring].
- If you can find a few more +hit pieces (Wand of Blinding Light if you kept it, maybe a ring upgrade), you can get rid of the Mark of the War Prisoner and swap it for a damage-equip trinket--even if it's something like Will of the Red Dragonflight.
- Gems are mostly okay. I'd spend the money on perfect runed bloodstones, they're only about 15g. If you get a perfect purified shadow crystal for your pants and change her spellthread to +50sta/+20 or +30 spirit, you can squeeze out just a little more spell power.
This may have been done already, but i have thrown together a very rough and ready XLS spreadsheet to automate working out DoT% from a WWS report.
You can find it here
Hope it helps someone like me
You can overwrite the 1st 4 entries, these are mirren's stats from the last 4 raids.
My first Patchwerk as Affliction. All in all I'm pretty satisfied.
Sadly I had to swap from a fully buffed and frightening Doomguard to a silly dog at the last minute. Comparing this wws I see that a Doomguard is capable of pulling around 1.1k dps, while my Felhunter made a mere 435 dps. Sure, I'd have lost some spirit points, but they are hardly worth the 665dps difference between the two pets, so I think it's safe to say that if I could have gone for the Doomguard it'd have been closer to 6500dps.
About the fight itself, I had no moonkin, and it was relatively short. Relatively is in italics because it wasn't as short as say this one, which resulted in inflated numbers, reduced by 50% the amount of lifetaps needed etc (funnily enough his max shadowbolt is 11820 and mine was 11821!).
About uptimes, my fight lasted 161 seconds, minus around 3.5 seconds for the initial shadowbolt and haunt, which makes 157 seconds approximately. This means around 52 ticks for all but CoA, which should be closer to 78ish instead.
My ticks were as follow:
51 Corruptions
44 Unstable Affliction (85% of the fight)
45 Immolate (86.5%)
49 Siphon Life (94%)
69 Curse of Agony (88.5%)
My aim though was never to get close to 100% uptime, as it would end up in a dps loss. Dots have a higher DPCT as long as you don't clip them, and as long as they tick for their full length. From my point of view, uptime after a certain % is mostly up to luck. If you happen to kill patchwerk right at the end of a dot cycle, good. If a dot ends when you have a feeling that if you reapply it once more, only half of it will tick and then patchwerk will die, it's better not to reapply it at all.
10 Haunts are ideally 2 less, or more realistically for the reason mentioned above, 1 less than they should have been.
Next time I'll try to improve it further, any tips are welcome of course.
The only thing I noticed after a quick peek was that you seem to have used Immolate all through the fight. If you drop it after 25% (since it doesn't buff Drain Soul) you'll probably notice a gain in DPS.
The only thing I noticed after a quick peek was that you seem to have used Immolate all through the fight. If you drop it after 25% (since it doesn't buff Drain Soul) you'll probably notice a gain in DPS.
I don't expect to play flawlessly untill I've done more raids with this spec, and as stupid as it might sound, with the gear setup as well. For example I did a rookie mistake, I forgot i swapped back in 4pt7 after the night before and I didn't lifetap right before the pull. On the other hand I think I did well tapping more in the first portion of the fight, and less during the drain soul phase so to speak.
Anyway, quoting the affliction warlock thread,
Immolate itself HAS higher DPCT than Drain Soul and should therefore be cast, but it does not contribute to Drain Soul's damage. Not casting Immolate below 35%/25% is a common (small) mistake. Immolate's DPCT is very good and always worth it, especially when you have the Glyph of Immolate equipped, but even without it.
s it just me, or are you counting the moonkin aura twice? You have the base chance to crit here increased by 5% with buffs, yet you add in the moonkin 5% buff again later in your DPCT calculations.
And I mention this, because it makes it look like immolate should be cast below 25% when it really shouldn't. If you adjust your DPCT for immolate and remove the extra 5% crit, the DPCT falls to roughly 150 more than drain soul. But what's not factored in to your calculations is that immolate does not affect soul siphon, and with the mechanics of having to refresh dots along with using a 3 second base tick channel filler spell, immolate becomes more of a dps loss than a help at that point.
I recommend to locks in my guides and in forum posts that they drop immolate below 25% for the above reasons. The DPCT is much closer than what you calculated due to the 5% crit error.
Also, I see you're using a 90% uptime for molten core, so I have to ask what spec you're using? The top dps specs will not have more than 1 point in molten core, which would be closer to a 68% uptime. This is also artificially inflating the number to favor immolate. Factor that in, and I'm willing to bet the DPCT comes almost even with drain soul.
I see, sadly the post wasn't there before yesterday's raid.
Anyway, from the first post that is now apparently fixed, I'll take the green lines since I should definitely be closer to them than to the black ones.
Immolate: damage / cast time = 6368.29 DPCT
Drain Soul: damage / cast time = 5929.59 DPCT
It also reads:
Note that this is based on 15 affliction debuffs on the target (meaning there are at least two other affliction warlocks), a target below 25% and the fact that the factor 4 is really a total damage factor.
Something that is obviously not even close to true at the moment, and definitely wasn't for me in that raid anyway.
I can count 5 self applicable affliction debuffs. The other warlock probably used corruption and definitely used curse of agony, so make it 7. It would become:
So with 1 affliction warlock in the raid, the figures above look more like:
Immolate: damage / cast time = 6368.29 DPCT
Drain Soul: damage / cast time = 55183,917332544109824/11.65 = 4736,82 DPCT
Molten Core might be excessively high in the immolate computation, but it ignores immolate glyph. I'm not at all convinced that dropping immolate would be a noticable increase of dps, if at all.
I've been raiding as affliction for a while now and while Ive gotten used to the rotation I'm still struggling to break the 6k dps mark on Patchwork.
This was my most recent attempt, i was flasked and used a doomguard for the whole thing. we only had 20 people as we where doing that wing with less for the achievement.
rotation is: sb, haunt, ua, immo, corr, coa, siphon
Thats a far cry from the folks with similar gear doing almost 6.5k to 7k dps even w/out a doomguard. Should i be refreshing haunt every time its off CD? or every time the debuff runs out? Also any tips to help minimize clipping dots? i still have issue with clipping immolate hence the fact that im always plagued with an 80% immolate uptime.
I've been raiding as affliction for a while now and while Ive gotten used to the rotation I'm still struggling to break the 6k dps mark on Patchwork.
This was my most recent attempt, i was flasked and used a doomguard for the whole thing. we only had 20 people as we where doing that wing with less for the achievement.
rotation is: sb, haunt, ua, immo, corr, coa, siphon
Thats a far cry from the folks with similar gear doing almost 6.5k to 7k dps even w/out a doomguard. Should i be refreshing haunt every time its off CD? or every time the debuff runs out? Also any tips to help minimize clipping dots? i still have issue with clipping immolate hence the fact that im always plagued with an 80% immolate uptime.
To answer some of your questions:
- You want to cast Haunt so that WITH travel time it WILL clip itself. It's better to clip Haunt than let it wear off. However "right as it comes off cd" is far too early. You need to find the balance.
- Minimize clipping dots by memorizing your cast times. If it takes you .9 seconds to cast Immolate, don't recast it until your dot timer is under .9 seconds. Make sure you know how fast you cast normally, and with Heroism. Generally speaking most spells will be around 1 second, so I tend to recast at under 1 second duration left on UA, Immo, and Haunt I will recast anywhere from 2-3 seconds left.
To answer some of your questions:
- You want to cast Haunt so that WITH travel time it WILL clip itself. It's better to clip Haunt than let it wear off. However "right as it comes off cd" is far too early. You need to find the balance.
I've been doing a lot of theorycrafting and testing on Haunt lately and unfortunatly, it all seems to go towards 'recast haunt as soon as possible'. The travel time can get more than 2,5 seconds if you are far away. After the spell hits the debuff gets on almost immediatly, however the corruption refresh will take about half a second more. Meaning: even if your Haunt hits before the last tick of Corr occured, Corr can still fall off.
Casting Haunt 2-3 seconds before the debuff runs out is too late. You need to calculate the casttime + traveltime + refreshtime for Corr. Remember if you have a travel time of 2,5 seconds, your Haunt will be off cooldown when the debufftimer has 6,5 seconds left. I'd say to be sure, cast it when you have about 4 seconds left on the timer, not less (4 sec is quite safe because I did not calculate haste here and when you are closer, your travel time will be a bit lower ofcourse).
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