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Old 02/04/09, 2:44 AM   #351
Leibniz
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Gorgonnash
Originally Posted by tigreth View Post
One question that cropped up based on this comment: When drain soul time rolls around, does it make sense to re-up DoTs? I'm assuming this is a yes . . . just the tick timer on Drain Soul seems to take FOREVER!!
Yes, with a couple of caveats. Each affliction effect on target buffs your drain soul by 4%, so you want to maintain all your affliction effects to maximize damage of drain soul ticks. If the time left before the boss is dead is less than a large fraction of the DoT duration you're better off dropping it and keeping up DS.

In regards to the glyph: CoA is better. The extended duration also makes the rotation a bit simpler.

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Old 02/04/09, 3:44 AM   #352
Eugenic
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Greymane
WWS Help

Here's my guild's latest patchwerk kill, was looking for some feedback on my performance.

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My rotation is SB --> Haunt --> UA --> Immo --> CoA --> Corr --> SL, SB spam refresh when needed. At about 34-35% I pop my infernal, and below 25% I obviously drain soul. Any input would be appreciated.

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Old 02/04/09, 2:45 PM   #353
Aeji
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by Eugenic View Post
Here's my guild's latest patchwerk kill, was looking for some feedback on my performance.

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My rotation is SB --> Haunt --> UA --> Immo --> CoA --> Corr --> SL, SB spam refresh when needed. At about 34-35% I pop my infernal, and below 25% I obviously drain soul. Any input would be appreciated.
You're gear is pretty decent (although I noticed you aren't hit capped for 25-mans for Destruction spells. I didn't notice any misses in the WWS you linked but it could be a problem on future attempts.) Just your trinkets really need replacing.

1. I'd recommend dropping that 1 point you have in Improved FelHunter. In my experience the Fel Puppy never runs out of mana in a 25-man and the 5% increase to Fel Intelligence is minuscule. Trading it for at least 1 point in Molten Core would be a definite dps increase.
2. Popping a Potion of Speed or Wild Magic sub 25% should give you a bit of a boost.
3. Make sure your raid is maximizing Bloodlust uptime sub 35% as much as possible. This makes a noticeable difference.
4. I got 11 ticks of Drain Soul on my last Patchwerk while you only got 8, and mine was 20 seconds shorter than yours. Do you have your cast bar set up so you can see when Drain Soul ticks will occur? Clipping your channeling right before a tick so you can refresh dots can waste a good chunk of damage.
5. You don't appear to have had a Moonkin for 13% dmg debuff and none of the Warlocks appeared to be using CoE.
6. Use a Doomguard for the fight if you really want to push out every last bit of dps. He easily does more than twice the dps of a FelHunter.

Edit: Nvm you had an Unholy DK spec'ed for Ebon Plague.

Last edited by Aeji : 02/04/09 at 3:12 PM.

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Old 02/04/09, 2:49 PM   #354
Eugenic
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Greymane
Yeah, I know about the trinkets, I've been working on it but it seems that others in the guild need it alot more than I do. I almost never miss with my shadow bolts with the spriest +3%, i'll definitely look into the one point in molten core. I don't have a cast bar that does that, any suggestions would be very welcome? I feel I should be doing higher dps.

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Old 02/04/09, 3:11 PM   #355
Aeji
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by Eugenic View Post
I don't have a cast bar that does that, any suggestions would be very welcome? I feel I should be doing higher dps.
There are a couple of methods. The easiest for me is using the FortXorcist mod. You can disable all the misc. stuff you don't need and configure the cast bar to only show up for channeled spells. It will map out your ticks on it's cast bar.

Overall I'd say don't sweat it. Your dps looks fine for your gear level in my opinion. Using the Doomguard alone would have put you in the 5.4k dps range.

Last edited by Aeji : 02/04/09 at 3:25 PM.

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Old 02/04/09, 3:47 PM   #356
duhwhat
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warlock
 
Area 52
Wow Web Stats I had Azure Cloth Bindings with 23 sp for this fight.

The questions I had were:

1. What kind of DPS increase is seen with shorter fight times, for example, for each 30 seconds shaved off?
2. I've been of the "no clipping ever, and I'm just plain lazy" mindset, favoring a SB at times when multiple DoTs are falling off simulaneously rather than trying to juggle 4 DoTs refreshes with potential SB casts between all of them. Are my DoTs uptimes adequate considering this?
3. When are you using potions with respect to your casts/channels (I'm not asking about during Bloodlust/sub 25% etc)? Although potion use doesn't cause a GCD, I feel like I'm often stumbling and wasting at least a GCD to activate the potion and get back to casting. The thought I had was to use it at the end of a longish DS channel immediately before a DoTs or Haunt refresh.

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Old 02/04/09, 4:46 PM   #357
Heeno
Piston Honda
 
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Gnome Warlock
 
Alterac Mountains
1. The DPS increase with shorter fights is not significant but noticeable, I would approximate it at 100 dps per 30 seconds shaved off. Remember that our dps in comparison to other classes is remarkably consistent over long fights and the burst classes can keep up for shorter fights.
2. You should always as much as possible make sure to keep up DoTs without clipping them as long as possible, I noticed your DoT uptimes could improve, especially your immolate.
3. It isn't a bad idea to keybind your potions if you feel you are struggling to get it off quickly, also it is best to use it during the GCD of an instant-cast DoT to prevent any downtime.

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Old 02/04/09, 6:24 PM   #358
Bspa
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Exodar
If you guys have time I'd love to have my rotation/spec/gear analyzed. I didn't use Doomguard on this attempt but I'm certain there is still plenty of room for improvement in my playstyle.

Here is my WWS:
http://wowwebstats.com/rudzadih3rp4e?s=55149-91255

And my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

Two things worth noting. Like I said I wasn't using my doomguard. I also did not have Mutated Robes or The Turning Tide (got those both last night). For robes I was using Heroes' Plagueheart Robes and for my mainhand I was using Haunting Call. I also had to swap in Mark of the War Prisoner for Sundial of the Exiled, since the robe and weapon swapping dropped my hit below what I needed.

Any advice would be wonderful, thanks ahead of the time for helping me.

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Old 02/04/09, 6:27 PM   #359
tigreth
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Elune
Originally Posted by Leibniz View Post
From your WWS: you need to work on your dot uptimes. Haunt - 75%, UA - 72%, Immo - 71% and it appears you clipped it or triggered the bug a few times.
You referred to clipping or triggering "the bug" a few times. Can you please explain this more?

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Old 02/04/09, 6:49 PM   #360
duhwhat
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warlock
 
Area 52
Originally Posted by Heeno View Post
2. You should always as much as possible make sure to keep up DoTs without clipping them as long as possible, I noticed your DoT uptimes could improve, especially your immolate.
3. It isn't a bad idea to keybind your potions if you feel you are struggling to get it off quickly, also it is best to use it during the GCD of an instant-cast DoT to prevent any downtime.
I am dropping Immolate after 25%, is it still comparatively low compared to UA? I always cast them together.

I do have my potion keybound, and I will try to practice your suggestion, although I wonder how many instant casts I will be doing sub 25% (where I would typically be using my speed pot) since SL and CoA are around 30 seconds. It typically should be around 1, but I would also like to try to get the pot active during Bloodlust, so that may limit me further.

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Old 02/04/09, 8:26 PM   #361
Xeephran
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Warlock
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
A question pertaining to wws:

I was trying to analyze our last patchwerk tries/kills and noticed the doomguard doesnt show up in the wws parses. This might just be me being rather new to wws. Am i being blind for not finding doomguard numbers, or does wws just simply not support it? It rather surprised me not to find the doomguard the same way the infernal is summarized in the warlock numbers.

thanks.

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Old 02/04/09, 8:29 PM   #362
Trickykid
Don Flamenco
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Xeephran View Post
A question pertaining to wws:

I was trying to analyze our last patchwerk tries/kills and noticed the doomguard doesnt show up in the wws parses. This might just be me being rather new to wws. Am i being blind for not finding doomguard numbers, or does wws just simply not support it? It rather surprised me not to find the doomguard the same way the infernal is summarized in the warlock numbers.

thanks.
This has been mentioned multiple times in the thread. WWS has never added in Doomguards because the combatlog does not report the association between him and the player.

You'll need to manually add a line to your logs. This post goes into more detail:
Wow Web Stats • View topic - [Feature request] Doomguard summoned by Ritual of Doom

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Old 02/04/09, 8:34 PM   #363
Bspa
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Exodar
If you guys have time I'd love to have my rotation/spec/gear analyzed. I didn't use Doomguard on this attempt but I'm certain there is still plenty of room for improvement in my playstyle.

Here is my WWS:
Wow Web Stats

And my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

Two things worth noting. Like I said I wasn't using my doomguard. I also did not have Mutated Robes or The Turning Tide (got those both last night). For robes I was using Heroes' Plagueheart Robes and for my mainhand I was using Haunting Call. I also had to swap in Mark of the War Prisoner for Sundial of the Exiled, since the robe and weapon swapping dropped my hit below what I needed.

Any advice would be wonderful, thanks ahead of the time for helping me.
I kind of got knocked out of the picture by all these other questions....

Thanks again.

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Old 02/05/09, 12:23 AM   #364
Cigni
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Magtheridon
I managed to pull 5700 on patchwerk, just wondering what kind of changes I could make to break 6k dps.
WWS: Patchwerk

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Old 02/05/09, 4:52 AM   #365
Stosh
Von Kaiser
 
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Gnome Warlock
 
Draenor
Here is my WWS from last night's Patchwerk kill. A few rogues and a paladin died very early, extending the fight duration, but I still think I can squeeze some more DPS out of myself. Any suggestions or glaring errors to help me improve my performance in general?

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Old 02/05/09, 5:08 AM   #366
volcomm
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Blackhand
Originally Posted by Stosh View Post
Here is my WWS from last night's Patchwerk kill. A few rogues and a paladin died very early, extending the fight duration, but I still think I can squeeze some more DPS out of myself. Any suggestions or glaring errors to help me improve my performance in general?

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im a little new at this but i noticed (correct me if im wrong) that your immolate dot uptime as 65%. im betting you clipped it atleast once

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Old 02/05/09, 5:21 AM   #367
bambatsa
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Arathor (EU)
Originally Posted by Warlocomotif View Post
I ran 0/20/51 today, and must say I'm quite pleased.

Esspecially mana seems to be exceptional in this spec. I made a good bunch of mistakes still, but here's the WWS:
Wow Web Stats

Note that, the other Warlock used a doomguard, otherwise he'd be pretty far above me (at about 6.4k).
He has slightly better gear than me though (I seriously need to get rid of some hit). The potion I used was crazy alch pot, the random potion effect I got was mana potion. Honestly Alchemy is pretty overpowered right now.

I'm esspecially interested in seeing a comparable 2/13/56 wws.
Been comparing my wws and yours and can't seem to find what i do wrong. We have similar gear and same spec (0/20/51).
Though i am using coa glyph and i put cor in my rotation.
Here is my wws Wow Web Stats .
Would appreciate any feedback that can help me increase my dps.
Think i used too many life taps on this try and i forgot to use flame cap at heroism. But in any case the best i have gotten is 4k+. I also use firestone since my crit is way low.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 02/05/09, 5:44 AM   #368
Phearbot
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Spirestone
The average ticks of my dots are so much lower than they were last week and I cannot figure it out for the life of me! They are all like 200 off while gear remains constant. If anything I had more buffs in this weeks raid than last. Here are the two WWS reports, any help is appreciated.

Last weeks Wow Web Stats
This weeks Wow Web Stats

Thank you in advance.

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Old 02/05/09, 6:39 AM   #369
bambatsa
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Arathor (EU)
Originally Posted by Phearbot View Post
The average ticks of my dots are so much lower than they were last week and I cannot figure it out for the life of me! They are all like 200 off while gear remains constant. If anything I had more buffs in this weeks raid than last. Here are the two WWS reports, any help is appreciated.

Last weeks Wow Web Stats
This weeks Wow Web Stats

Thank you in advance.
From a quick look i gave it i saw that mitigated% damage is much higher on your second report.
For example in first report you got 3824 of your cor damage from resisted while in your second 4543.

Didn't thoroughly examine it tbh...so there could be something else too.

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Old 02/05/09, 6:55 AM   #370
Phearbot
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Spirestone
Originally Posted by Phearbot View Post
The average ticks of my dots are so much lower than they were last week and I cannot figure it out for the life of me! They are all like 200 off while gear remains constant. If anything I had more buffs in this weeks raid than last. Here are the two WWS reports, any help is appreciated.

Last weeks Wow Web Stats
This weeks Wow Web Stats

Thank you in advance.
I figured it out, no Ebon Plaugebringer/Earth and Moon/CoE. New guild and I assumed at least one of the DK's would have it. It's amazing what a difference that makes!

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Old 02/05/09, 10:05 AM   #371
achille
Banned
 
Human Warlock
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Originally Posted by Galanna View Post
I think it should be 50579,32 divided by 11,65s = 4341,57 DPCT
Thanks for pointing it out, was a silly typing mistake from my part. I also redid the math increasing the affliction debuffs from 5 to 7, still the result is obviously clear to me that Immolate is still worth casting.

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Old 02/05/09, 11:49 AM   #372
Chillin!
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Draenor
WWS Loading...

I was lagging(who doesn't?), and I didn't use any raid consumables. My lowest dot uptime is 86% with immolate, and the rest are 90-92%, so I'm kind of stumped as to why lesser geared locks I've seen beat me by a pretty good margin. Does anybody have any insight why my DPS is so low for my gear level?

Edit: Read a few posts up and saw the mitigation comment. We have a boomkin and dk, but I honestly don't trust either of them to keep buffs/debuffs up. Is my mitigation abnormally high?

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Old 02/05/09, 1:01 PM   #373
Emolate
Bald Bull
 
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Goblin Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis
My raid runs with a lot of physical DPS[1] and rarely, if ever, has a Scorch mage. I'm the RL and find that the attention demands make Affliction prohibitive much of the time.

I decided, if I can't beat 'em, join 'em, and spec'ed into 0/41/30 Felguard & Emberstorm. Glyphs are CoA, Immolate, and Felguard. This was a noticeable DPS increase against 0/30/41 Imp Imp Shadow Fury and 0/40/30+1 Imp spam specs for me. I gained around 1000 DPS from the switch.

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5100 DPS on Patchwerk without Doomguard or Infernal. Just ran Felguard the whole time.

[1] Having a Boomkin *and* a Shadow Priest is uncommon for us.

Originally Posted by Zeln View Post
I'm pretty sure the only reason you're on this planet is the phone rang and startled your dad.

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Old 02/05/09, 1:43 PM   #374
oresteez
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Gurubashi
Nevermind all these locks wondering why they can't break 6k!! I'm trying to figure out why I can't break 5k!!

I was easily #1 in the raid on Patchwerk, and had my doomguard out, but still fell short of 5k

WWS WWS Loading...

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I definitely was not perfect. I'm not sure why but I only had a Haunt uptime of about 85%. I didn't miss any...it's quite strange. My immolation was better than I expected, despite the bug. Siphon life was between 80-85%. Everything else was pretty good. I don't think I hit with enough drain souls, but that's because the tank died at the end and Patch went a little out of control, and whoever picked up aggro decided to run and drag Patch out of my range so my channelling stopped. Could those things I just mentioned really have contributed to me only hitting 4.8/4.9k?

I was flasked and even used a wild magic potion during the fight.

Thanks in advance!

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Old 02/05/09, 2:29 PM   #375
Chronepsis
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Kul Tiras
I am pretty pleased with my DPS lately, but I was wondering if there were any glaring mistakes that I don't see. I was late on starting Drain Soul, and my dot up-time could use work(Not clipping Immolate mostly). Averaged ~90% overall.

Armory: Chronepsis
I didn't have the set pants or the Embrace of the Spider during the fight.

WWS: Patchwerk, Feb 4th 2009

Used Doomguard, clicked a Wild Magic pot during Bloodlust. Using Flask of the Frost Wyrm, 35 SP Food, Spellstone.

Since I am using the DG I take it using an Infernal would be a DPS loss when used post 35%? Was afraid of dropping him because of this.

Also curious to see how my damage would rise in a 25 Man setting, should be able to run them starting next week.

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