Is it only possible to achieve greater than 15K drain soul ticks if you are in top of the line gear, have the optimal raid make up, pop a potion and have another affliction lock in the raid? This last part is the main part that I am concerned with as I am currently the only raiding lock in my guild.
I was felguard spec and doing ok in raids and after reading dots and you on this forum I decided to change - I wanted to go from being a tap tap girl to being a dps goddess! I arrived at the raid late (been at uni doing an exam) but my dps seems to have dived rather than gone up... Im guessing this is either a not pressing the buttons issue or a wrong items / enchants problem
You have entry level gear for Naxx10 and Naxx25. A lot of Heroic stuff, whatever. You have good Emblem acquisitions and rep rewards.
But you're not using Drain Soul when the target is < 25%, and you're not using a Pet. Or, you're using a Doomguard, and your DPS is actually 1000 DPS higher than what you will see on the WWS due to WWS not assigning the Doomguard to you. Regardless, if you're not using a minion, that's a DPS loss.
Originally Posted by Zeln
I'm pretty sure the only reason you're on this planet is the phone rang and startled your dad.
Just did 25 man Naxx for my first time last night, I'm reading all the time about locks getting 4k and up on Patchwerk, and I just dont understand how.
I'm FG/Emberstorm (I know people are going to say that's my problem and that I should switch to affliction, but this has worked for me) with 15.35% (including talents) hit, about 30% crit in the raid, and 490 haste. I think my spellpower was in the range of 2.8 for the raid.
I know the up time on my Immolate could have been a little better, and I realized after that I had forgotten to use my doomguard. I put extra effort on Patchwerk to see how high I can get my DPS, I even through in a 15 second haste potion that I had on me. Is there anything I can do to get my DPS higher then that short of speccing Affliction and getting better gear.
Heres 2 of my latest WWS from naxx. Im usually the only lock in the raids, but im wondering if there's a way I can increase my dps on these fights, mainly Patchwerk and Razuvious. Im not using doomguard or infernal (forget usually) in these, but do they make THAT much of a difference from these 6k+ WWS I see from other locks?
You have entry level gear for Naxx10 and Naxx25. A lot of Heroic stuff, whatever. You have good Emblem acquisitions and rep rewards.
But you're not using Drain Soul when the target is < 25%, and you're not using a Pet. Or, you're using a Doomguard, and your DPS is actually 1000 DPS higher than what you will see on the WWS due to WWS not assigning the Doomguard to you. Regardless, if you're not using a minion, that's a DPS loss.
Thanks Emolate - your right I did just have my pet on passive. I will make sure he is attacking the boss next time. I did try to do the drain soul thing but found that while I was doing that most of my dots dropped off. I will attempt to fix that for the next raid.
I was trying out affliction tonight in Naxx, but didn’t really get the result I wanted. Seeing how people manage to make 6.5-7k dps on Patchwerk stuns me, as I was only able to squeeze out 5.6k with a doomguard. My gear is quite top-notch, hitcapped with 2300 spelldmg and 726 haste. I’ve studied people’s rotations in here and came to the conclusion that SB -> Haunt -> UA -> Immolate -> Corr -> CoA -> SL would be a good solution.
Could anyone comment on that and tell me how it should be/what % the perfect breakdown is at? Only thing that looks a bit too low to me is the drain soul ticks, which I persume should have been higher (the number of ticks that is).
As for the other fights I’d appreciate some feedback too, if any, since I feel some of them turned out quite lackluster. The Doomguard was used on 4 fights (Patchwerk, Grobbolus, Razuvious and Kel’thuzad). However, while I think Doomguard is a nice little gimmick, I don’t feel it’s a reliable tool. It felt more like covering up for some obvious shortcomings.
And please, disregard Sapphiron, it ended up really messy due to one of the ever-present lagspikes.
Just did 25 man Naxx for my first time last night, I'm reading all the time about locks getting 4k and up on Patchwerk, and I just dont understand how.
I'm FG/Emberstorm (I know people are going to say that's my problem and that I should switch to affliction, but this has worked for me) with 15.35% (including talents) hit, about 30% crit in the raid, and 490 haste. I think my spellpower was in the range of 2.8 for the raid.
I know the up time on my Immolate could have been a little better, and I realized after that I had forgotten to use my doomguard. I put extra effort on Patchwerk to see how high I can get my DPS, I even through in a 15 second haste potion that I had on me. Is there anything I can do to get my DPS higher then that short of speccing Affliction and getting better gear.
1) Couple gear upgrades still available 10man nax etc. You have too much hit 289 is your target(with sp), throw a cheap perfect bloodstone in those boots till you get a upgrade. Belt too
2) No demonic empowerment ? its not even on the gcd, I break with people as I never get master summoner, if your pet dies you messed up just take the hit and promise yourself to be better, or know your going into a pet unfriendly fight and sac and run doomguard/infernal or something
3) Dps is a average over the duration of the fight, alot of these guys runing high dps have really short fights.
example
Premeditation did a 2 healer 25man nax on all but sap/kt where they ran 4 healer I belive had like 54 second anubrekan fight and that is basically a lust/speed pot full fight so ya their individual dps will be insane.
ps, I really don't like that spec personally. I haven't ran the numbers to see which is better for your gear level, I would advise you to go download simcraft (simulationcraft - Google Code) plug in your stats for the default values/spec/buffs and then run at least 10k simulations, I prefer to run 100k personally but I have dual quad core so it doesn't take anytime
Just did 25 man Naxx for my first time last night, I'm reading all the time about locks getting 4k and up on Patchwerk, and I just dont understand how.
I'm FG/Emberstorm (I know people are going to say that's my problem and that I should switch to affliction, but this has worked for me) with 15.35% (including talents) hit, about 30% crit in the raid, and 490 haste. I think my spellpower was in the range of 2.8 for the raid.
I know the up time on my Immolate could have been a little better, and I realized after that I had forgotten to use my doomguard. I put extra effort on Patchwerk to see how high I can get my DPS, I even through in a 15 second haste potion that I had on me. Is there anything I can do to get my DPS higher then that short of speccing Affliction and getting better gear.
You dont want to use Doomguard if you have a felguard.
Hi there,
I am posting on behalf of a fellow guild member. We are not a very advanced guild. We are 3/4 the way through Naxx 10 and have done OS and VOA heroic with some help from friends etc.
My friend has worked really hard on her gear but i can't help but think her dps is not as good as it should be. Not knowing locks i don't know about her spec, spell rotation etc so thought i would post here, ask for a little help, and then i can make some suggestions to her as i know she is keen to improve and i want to help if i can.
the lock in question is Fordawin. She has 1700 unbuffed spell damage but only put out 1300 dps.
Hi there,
I am posting on behalf of a fellow guild member. We are not a very advanced guild. We are 3/4 the way through Naxx 10 and have done OS and VOA heroic with some help from friends etc.
My friend has worked really hard on her gear but i can't help but think her dps is not as good as it should be. Not knowing locks i don't know about her spec, spell rotation etc so thought i would post here, ask for a little help, and then i can make some suggestions to her as i know she is keen to improve and i want to help if i can.
the lock in question is Fordawin. She has 1700 unbuffed spell damage but only put out 1300 dps.
1) Terrible uptimes. (53% corruption, 79% CoA, 38% immolate, 59% siphon life, 42% or lower haunt, 15% UA). Even with those low uptimes, she only cast 5 shadow bolts over the entire fight.
2) Didn't use Drain Soul
3) Didn't use a pet
I bet if you watched her on that fight she was not casting for 50% or more of the fight. If you ignore rain of fire for a minute, she only spent 50 seconds out of 200 second-long fight casting. Far more than 25% of her time should be on casting DoTs and Shadow bolts.
Sit her by a training dummy for 30 minutes and tell her to keep her rotation going while moving around now and then.
Hi, this is my first post on EJ though I've been reading here for 18 months or so. I'm looking for help with my destro rotation, and really would like people's thoughts on how/if I could push more DPS given the gear I have. Here is my last Patchwerk parse:
I'm 2/13/56 and my rotation is usually Immo, CoA, Chaos Bolt, Incin, Incin, Conflag, Incin, Incin, (maybe Immo or Incin, depends if Heroism is up). I don't use Corruption and even though I have Glyph of Conflag I don't go for 2 Conflags during one Immolate cycle. I tried this but Conflag (even followed by Backdraft) seemed to result in a DPS loss unless it is within the last 5 seconds of of Immolate when I get the increased crit chance from Fire and Brimstone.
So any thoughts? I would be willing to respec if people could suggest tweaks I can make to increase my DPS. I'm actually a little disappointed because a few weeks ago I was pushing 4.5k on Patch and then I got my [Valorous Plagueheart Circlet] to replace [Cowl of Winged Fear] and I seemed to lose a bit of DPS.
(Btw, I didn't have [Life and Death] enchanted at the time of the WWS, it dropped earlier that night)
EDIT: I'm thinking of trying a 0/41/30 build but I'm not sure how it will fair with my gear
This might not be the right thread to write this in but since it was wws that made my wonder over this I´ll use this thread.
I switched to a 0/41/30 specc when the latest patch was released. All in all I am very satisfied. I have descent gear but nothing extraordinary but I dish out some descent damage. I am doing almost 5k on patch/raz and widow and I know for a fact that with my current gear 5500 dps would be the obtainable with this specc since I work on Greenland atm and play with 1200 constant ms which makes my dps suffer alot especially since I dissconnect during heroism almost every time.
Now what strikes me every time I analyse my wws is the miss rating of my felguard. When just analyzing bossfights for our last 3 raids my felguard has done 19-21% of my total damage which is alot. The annoying thing is his missrate. For these raids he had a missrate of 7-8% for both melee and cleave and that is alot. At some bosses he was up at a stunning 13% miss. Now first raid I played softcapped with 270 hit (I´m alliance). Next raid I switched some gear so I had 327 hit just to see if it made any difference. And it did not....
So my question is how much hit do I need to cap my pet? And also I am not a math wizard and I know for a fact that this site is full of them so would someone with the knowlede calculate if it is a dps gain to keep stacking hit even tough I am softcapped just to get my pet capped.
So my question is how much hit do I need to cap my pet? And also I am not a math wizard and I know for a fact that this site is full of them so would someone with the knowlede calculate if it is a dps gain to keep stacking hit even tough I am softcapped just to get my pet capped.
Crossposting from the main Demonology thread:
The pet requires 8% hit rating to avoid misses (as per 2H weapon in melee combat), but has zero expertise. This means that normal parry and dodge apply in the melee hit table. Please when reading a WWS parse, don't read dodge/parry as miss, you'll only look foolish when complaining here about pet misses.
I am having alot of trouble getting decent DPS. I seem to be averaging 3k a boss fight, which, to me, seems subpar. I figured I could post our WWS from last night for analysis.
I am having alot of trouble getting decent DPS. I seem to be averaging 3k a boss fight, which, to me, seems subpar. I figured I could post our WWS from last night for analysis.
That does seem a bit low. Your uptimes are in the low 80s(84-86% with the exception of immo), which means you should be able to up the DPS by working on those there. Immolate uptime was a bit low at 78%, this could be accounted for by if you dropped it out of your rotation under 25%. If not then focus on that, always cast it next to UA, and never clip it.
You also have a TON of hit(~16% untalented) which might be overkill depending on your raid makeup. Since you have a boomkin they should have imp FF(+3%). As it stands you have 16% + 3%(imp FF) +(3% affl talents) = 22% which is way over the 17% cap needed to not miss a raid boss.
I would replace those + Hit gems with the blue +sp dmg ones(or spdmg/whatever to get the socket bonus). Also on patchwerk pop a doomguard. They can pull 900-1100 is DPS.
There are 3 locks in my guild and we are all afflic. The one lock is always number 1 or 2 on the meters every night. I have looked at his spec and gear and feel he doesn't have better gear and the same spec. I can't figure out how he does so much more dps then us other two.
Can you please look over the WWS and let me know if you can see any errors or things I'm missing.
I have been trying to figure this out but just can not, any help would be greatly appreciated.
Did you try looking at the WWS you posted? You know how they say 90% of the time if something isn't working it isn't plugged in? Works for affliction warlocks and DoT uptimes. Kinda broken record-y, but well, here goes.
Looking at patchwerk:
1) You aren't casting immolate. Cast it.
2) His DoT uptimes are anywhere from 5-33% higher than yours.
3) Even with higher uptimes, he casts 26.5% more shadow bolts than you and has 50% more drain soul ticks. This means you wasted a huge amount of DPS time.
4) I imagine your corruption just fell off and you didn't notice. Get some addons to track this better.
After that, I don't think there's much point in checking the other fights, I bet I'd find the same thing! Practice on the dummy for a while until it's second nature if you're getting flustered during raids.
There are 3 locks in my guild and we are all afflic. The one lock is always number 1 or 2 on the meters every night. I have looked at his spec and gear and feel he doesn't have better gear and the same spec. I can't figure out how he does so much more dps then us other two.
Can you please look over the WWS and let me know if you can see any errors or things I'm missing.
I have been trying to figure this out but just can not, any help would be greatly appreciated.
I took a quick look at your Patchwerk kill, and here are the dot uptimes:
Kasama: Corruption 93% UA 86% SL 88% CoA 87% Immolate: 57%
Tukar: Corruption 70% UA 79% SL 86% CoA 84% Immolate: 0%
You didn't cast a single immolate during the fight, and despite this Kasama was able to cast 14 more shadowbolts than you.
The bottom line is you need to do a much better job of managing your GCD's, you need to get or pay more attention to your DoT timer and you need to cast Immolate.
Going back and looking at the date of the kill, I'm going to assume you improved a whole lot already, as you have the 3 minute Patchwerk achievement from 1/29/09 and this WWS was from 1/13/09 and the 1/13 kill took 4:26.
Posting again since no one helped me out, cause Im honestly not sure what limiting my dps by so much. I see these 6k-7k+ WWS, and im not sure why im not even close to that high. I understand my guilds overall raid dps is a lil low, and thats contributing, but I don't even jump to those numbers during heroism.
Heres 2 of my latest WWS from naxx. Im usually the only lock in the raids, but im wondering if there's a way I can increase my dps on these fights, mainly Patchwerk and Razuvious. Im not using doomguard or infernal (forget usually) in these, but do they make THAT much of a difference from these 6k+ WWS I see from other locks?
02/05/09, 7:15 PM
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