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02/17/09, 7:46 PM
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#426
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King Hippo
Gnome Warlock
Spinebreaker
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Originally Posted by botan88
hi guys
here is my WMO
how can i improve my dps? and i wonder why DG have only 800 dps, instead of last week's 1100 WMO
my stats unbuffed: 1993 spd, 362 hit, 13.9 crit, 614 haste, 425 spirit, 4t7
oh, i forgot to get food buff...but it couldn't give those 300 dps for me to hit 6k.
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In the 1100 dps parse it did 109 attacks in 2:48, it also hit for an average of 1610 and had average crit of 3517.
In the 800 dps parse it did 99 attacks in 3:08, it also hit for an average of 1555 and crit for 3272.
I am not familiar enough with wowmeter to get right into the details but my guess would be a combination of luck and a missing melee buf. One possibility is the doomguard missout on heroism due to being under some obstruction when it was activated but since it should have been attacking patchwerk when heroism was hit that seems unusual.
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02/18/09, 1:34 AM
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#427
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Glass Joe
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I'm out of ideas and could use some help, I don't think I'm doing as well as I should.
WWS: Wow Web Stats
Arm: The World of Warcraft Armory
For these WWS logs I'm not using any consumables because I just got done power levelling blacksmithing to 375 and fuck I'm afraid to spend anymore money, also I'm a cheap-ass and nax doesn't need em. So yeah, any help would be much appreciated. My stats on armory are unbuffed, no stone or fel armor, any other info I'd be happy to provide. Oh yeah, I'm Cambo. (don't make fun of me for crossing charges on thaddius, mcaffee installed a update randomly and I locked up)
Last edited by Clambo : 02/18/09 at 1:44 AM.
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02/18/09, 3:11 AM
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#428
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Glass Joe
Хелл
Human Warlock
Non-US/EU Server (EU)
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Originally Posted by Darkmantle
In the 1100 dps parse it did 109 attacks in 2:48, it also hit for an average of 1610 and had average crit of 3517.
In the 800 dps parse it did 99 attacks in 3:08, it also hit for an average of 1555 and crit for 3272.
I am not familiar enough with wowmeter to get right into the details but my guess would be a combination of luck and a missing melee buf. One possibility is the doomguard missout on heroism due to being under some obstruction when it was activated but since it should have been attacking patchwerk when heroism was hit that seems unusual.
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ofc he got heroism, cause i popped him out before fight...
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02/18/09, 4:40 AM
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#429
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warlock
The Venture Co (EU)
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Originally Posted by Clambo
I'm out of ideas and could use some help, I don't think I'm doing as well as I should.
WWS: Wow Web Stats
Arm: The World of Warcraft Armory
For these WWS logs I'm not using any consumables because I just got done power levelling blacksmithing to 375 and fuck I'm afraid to spend anymore money, also I'm a cheap-ass and nax doesn't need em. So yeah, any help would be much appreciated. My stats on armory are unbuffed, no stone or fel armor, any other info I'd be happy to provide. Oh yeah, I'm Cambo. (don't make fun of me for crossing charges on thaddius, mcaffee installed a update randomly and I locked up)
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I'll only comment your gear and talents since I'm not that good at judging WWS.
First of all you have way too much hit rating. I don't know the particularities of your raid but it's safe to assume a shadow priest or a balance druid are present in a 25 mans raid just like a draenei. So there's no reason to be at 424 hit rating. Have a look on Spell Hit Discussion to see how much you should have.
Also, don't look to the socket bonuses. Just pick a Ember Skyflare Diamond and replace everything with Runed Scarlet Rubies.
As for talents: you don't need fel concentration. Put those points in Suppresion or at least one if you still need hit. As well as switching from ISB one/two points into Cataclysm.
Last edited by Opposite : 02/18/09 at 5:54 AM.
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02/18/09, 4:46 AM
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#430
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Glass Joe
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Yeah, I only recently got dying curse which bumped me way over hit cap, and am looking to replace all my hit gear, just haven't gotten the drops yet.
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02/18/09, 6:50 AM
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#431
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Kirin Tor (EU)
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Dear Warlocks,
I would like to have your opinion on this template 00/21/50; a template which uses the demonic sacrifice.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...h=120204000000
Previously I have tried many other destruction or hybrid templates such as 00/41/30, 00/19/52 or 00/31/40.
I tried yesterday the 00/21/50 and I have to say that this template was pretty efficient:
- Your are independent from your imp
- You have a permanent increase of the fire damage by 10%
- Your damage cycle is pretty easy and flexible
PVEmaster gives me an average DPS of 5157 …far more than the other hybrid templates.
I wish I could have your opinions and advises,
Warlocky,
A
(Sorry for my English)
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02/18/09, 7:46 AM
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#432
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Von Kaiser
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Your Imp is >10% of your total damage in a 0/20/51 or 2/13/56 spec (not counting EmpImp feedback ~5% more crit for you)
So what you are basicly doing with that spec is spending 7 points in Demo on nothing as the Demon gets sacked and 1 Point in Destro goes to Searing Pain for no DPS increase and no Chaos Bolt.
DS can currently be considered a situational Talent for deeper Demo Builds, to be used when pets are not viable at all or you have something worthwhile to enslave.
If you want a simple 1 spell spam spec, i'd suggest Deep Demo instead of Deep Destro but don't expect it to outperform more complex setups.
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02/18/09, 10:40 AM
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#433
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Glass Joe
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Recently theres been a serious lack in DPS on my part. I havn't done any major changes to anything but i've lost near 500 dps. I havn't done any major changes, i do need to go back in a glyph though, i replaced siphon life glyph with Voidwalker cause i was trying the VW tank setup. =P (curiosity)
I highly doubt that it's going to amount to a 500 dps loss though.
My gear: Armory
Recent WWS: Wow Web Stats
Rotation is SB - Haunt - UA - Immolate - CoA - Corr - SL
I don't clip often, but i do sometimes miss a refresh of a dot by a second or so.
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02/18/09, 5:20 PM
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#434
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
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hmm
Dps 6535
http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/...tm_3fbf9a6.jpg
Combat time 2:29
Bit annoyed that i actually forgot to use doomguard lolz and my food buff had ran out and hadnt even noticed.
So i got that without a food buff or using doomguard. Impressive imo.
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02/19/09, 4:26 AM
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#435
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Nordrassil (EU)
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Originally Posted by gne
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Nice one - I got 5992 DPS on patchwerk last nite without using doomguard or flask
Armory - The World of Warcraft Armory
Glyph choice - CoA, SL, Immol
Pet Choice - Imp
Rotation - SB -> Haun -> UA -> Immol -> CoA -> Corr -> SL then obviously Drain soul at 25%
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02/19/09, 5:37 AM
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#436
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Fatsummoner
Recently theres been a serious lack in DPS on my part. I havn't done any major changes to anything but i've lost near 500 dps. I havn't done any major changes, i do need to go back in a glyph though, i replaced siphon life glyph with Voidwalker cause i was trying the VW tank setup. =P (curiosity)
I highly doubt that it's going to amount to a 500 dps loss though.
My gear: Armory
Recent WWS: Wow Web Stats
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in that patchwerk kill, as pets only an infernal is listed in your damage dealt split. considering the amount of dps a raid buffed felhunter or succubus can deliver, i assume you had your pet on passive during the fight. could that have been the reason for the dps loss?
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02/19/09, 9:16 AM
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#437
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Xeephran
in that patchwerk kill, as pets only an infernal is listed in your damage dealt split. considering the amount of dps a raid buffed felhunter or succubus can deliver, i assume you had your pet on passive during the fight. could that have been the reason for the dps loss?
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I started the fight with a Doomguard, and finished the last minute with an infernal.
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02/19/09, 9:59 AM
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#438
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Looking at your dot uptime, you could improve on CoA and UA (84% / 81% respectively). Also, apparently you only got 42% of your Drain Soul ticks (8 done vs. 19 possible), so there is also chances for improvement. You possibly (unintentionally) clipped DS ticks while reapplying your dots.
Also, seeing as your fellow warlock used CoD 2 times during the fight, it might be an idea to make sure that warlock uses Corruption and CoA at that time to increase your DS damage somewhat.
That's all i can come up with right now.
Last edited by Xeephran : 02/19/09 at 10:00 AM.
Reason: typos
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02/19/09, 10:02 AM
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#439
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Spinebreaker (EU)
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Originally Posted by Fatsummoner
I started the fight with a Doomguard, and finished the last minute with an infernal.
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If you're using a doomguard, is it really worth switching to infernal for the last minute? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that, post patch, a buffed DG does higher DPS than the Infernal?
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02/19/09, 12:00 PM
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#440
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Tarren Mill (EU)
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Spec: 2/17/52
Patchwerk wws: Wow Web Stats
Glyphs: Conflag, imp and immo.
Including flask, food, weapon enchant and a wild magic potion.
I think I could have squeezed in a few more CB's, anything else I could have done better? Around what DPS should I do with this spec and with my gear, which is pretty good? I don't see many destruction wws around here.
Also, I know it's a bit RNG, but around how much more DPS would I gain if I switched to the standard affliction spec?
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02/19/09, 1:48 PM
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#441
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Piston Honda
Gnome Warlock
Alterac Mountains
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Originally Posted by Xera81
If you're using a doomguard, is it really worth switching to infernal for the last minute? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that, post patch, a buffed DG does higher DPS than the Infernal?
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Switching to the infernal should actually increase your dps, as the infernal was also buffed in the same way the doomguard was after the patch. But I would not recommend it, you are much better off saving the infernal for another boss fight/attempt where you would benefit much more from it.
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02/19/09, 1:54 PM
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#442
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Kilrogg (EU)
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Originally Posted by Heeno
Switching to the infernal should actually increase your dps, as the infernal was also buffed in the same way the doomguard was after the patch. But I would not recommend it, you are much better off saving the infernal for another boss fight/attempt where you would benefit much more from it.
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Fully buffed Doomguard murders the DPS of a newly summoned infernal. My experience shows that a fully raid buffed succubus does more DPS than a fresh Infernal, unless you manage to get the infernal down before the bloodlust hits.
Remember, things like horn of winter won't be on a pet summoned during a fight (at least not on a fight like Patchwerk).
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02/19/09, 7:04 PM
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#444
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Glass Joe
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I am getting so frustrated when I hear 6-7k dps on Patchwerk from posters. I can't seem to get near these values.
http://wowwebstats.com/l4j6z2mzh3uuw...2283&a=x4f8526 Patchwerk last night, I was using doomguard but it didn't record him, I'm not the one who records WWS so I haven't bothered to ask the one who does to fiddle with it. My recount said he did about 1k dps.
But without pet at all my personal dps is only 4890. When I hear people pulling 6k personal dps I tend to wonder what I am doing wrong.
I have 717 haste self buffed (spellstone), 2593 spellpower with fel armor, frost wyrm, food, 12.87% crit, and am hit capped in raids.
I use the rotation that has been listed here and try to not clip dots (looks like i clipped my immo during hero once for this fight).
My dot uptime was 98% corr, 92% ua, 78% immo, and 91% coa.
I just have no idea why I am almost 1k dps away from the top claims on these forums>> Any ideas?
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02/19/09, 7:33 PM
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#445
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Banned
Blood Elf Paladin
Destromath
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I thought I did pretty well last night on Thaddius in my nax pug, but I feel there is room for improvement and besides the dot uptime and length of fight (6minutes), how else can I improve my dps? The pug I was in did not have a Spriest or Elemental Shaman but we had a Moonkin w/ improved faerie fire.
I'm seeing parses of warlocks doing over 10k on Thaddius and am just wondering how to reach that.
UA: 89.28571428571429
Cor: 97.78911564625851
SL: 91.83673469387756
COA: 87.25212
Here's the WMO log:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish
Here's my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory
And lastly my rotation:
SB, Haunt, UA, Immo, Cor, SL, COA
Thanks!
Last edited by dotcow : 02/19/09 at 8:25 PM.
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02/19/09, 8:51 PM
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#446
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by gne
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Really dont like pics of dps.Can you show a WWS? For all we know you could have gotten ToT spammed on you or a 70% crit chance with shadow bolt.
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02/19/09, 8:54 PM
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#447
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Sergius
Fully buffed Doomguard murders the DPS of a newly summoned infernal. My experience shows that a fully raid buffed succubus does more DPS than a fresh Infernal, unless you manage to get the infernal down before the bloodlust hits.
Remember, things like horn of winter won't be on a pet summoned during a fight (at least not on a fight like Patchwerk).
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You sure on that statement? Last I did patch with a succubus out it was around 400 dps and even without buffs an infernal hits around 800.
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02/19/09, 9:20 PM
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#448
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Don Flamenco
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Lots of people throw their logs up here, quoting the high end DPS numbers asking how they can match up to them. Most of these posts go ignored or get a simple, stock answer. I thought it might be a good idea to lay down a few easy steps you can take to analyze your own results without even posting (which will likely get you a quicker, more thorough answer).
Three Easy Steps for Analyzing Your Own Parse
1) Look at your own numbers! Most of the people here are going to say a couple obvious things after idly looking at your log: A) "Your DoT uptimes are low", B) "You didn't get enough filler spells in", C) "You didn't use consumables at all or at the right time". See how many of these you can figure out on your own. It should be remarkably easy to find how to do that on this forum, but in order to prevent subsequent posts asking how to calculate the uptimes, I'm going to use up all the fun of searching for you: Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread. Now that we have a starting point for what your own numbers look like, we should probably see what others are doing, no? That leads us to:
2) Research! Go to WWS or WMO and look at the top parses. Grab some from the fights you're interested in increasing your DPS (or all if you're comprehensive). I recommend comparing yourself to a similarly specialized warlock. Now that we have top lock parses in addition to our own we can:
3) Compare! Why is that lock doing 1k more DPS than you? Why, let's look! WMO makes side-by-side comparisons startlingly easy. In your own parse just hit "Compare to Other" and you can select the top 2 locks for that same fight. Now the fun part! Compare all the factors that make up warlock DPS:
a) Fight Length
b) DoT uptimes
c) Average DoT tick amounts.
d) Number of filler spells used between DoTs (treat it like an "uptime" SB per second, DS per second, Incinerate per second, etc)
e) Pet damage comparison (was his buffed more?)
f) Look at your own buffs. Did the top lock get Tricks of Trade? Power infusion? Innervate? Did he have moonkin aura or an Elemental shaman in the raid? Did you forget to use a potion?
Once you've exhausted the above options, there's little else this community can offer in the way of advice. You'll get your answers quicker, faster and learn valuable analytic skills that will help you for the rest of your life.
Last edited by Trickykid : 02/20/09 at 2:18 PM.
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02/19/09, 11:45 PM
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#449
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warlock
Bloodhoof (EU)
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This probably isn't the best place to post this, however it appears my account does not have sufficient privileges to create new threads. So I suppose a reply here is better than anywhere else.
I've written a small app to fix log files so WWS will correctly parse any doomguards that were used. It requires the .NET framework, version 3.5 so you'll need to make sure that's installed beforehand. It's pretty well optimised and fixes naxx logs in about 5 seconds on my machine. I figured this would come in handy to the warlock community.
Anyway, without further ado, here's a link to the app:
http://www.joebrock.co.uk/software/DoomLog-1.0b3.zip
If you find any bugs, please let me know.
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02/20/09, 8:56 AM
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#450
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Steamwheedle Cartel
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Originally Posted by Trickykid
Lots of people throw their logs up here, quoting the high end DPS numbers asking how they can match up to them. Most of these posts go ignored or get a simple, stock answer. I thought it might be a good idea to lay down a few easy steps you can take to analyze your own results without even posting (which will likely get you a quicker, more thorough answer).
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Good post, Tricky. I think that the main problem with this thread is that, while the EJ forums in general have a very well-defined "no handholding" stance, this thread is pretty much a "hey-come-hold-my-hand" invitation. Everything you need to know is in the other threads - read those, apply the tips posted by Tricky, solve your issues on your own.
And to add to what Tricky said - very very often, the biggest intangible factor is simply lag. 100ms can make a very noticeable difference in DPS. Do not expect to reach 6k or more if you have 400ms or worse.
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