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Old 01/22/09, 4:15 PM   #286
Amandajg
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Feathermoon
Originally Posted by Bacon oClock View Post
I did the math on your up-times (Actually made an excel spreadsheet so I don't have to do them by hand anymore).

Total fight time: 225

DoT % uptime
UA - 0.826666667
Immo - 0.706666667
Corr - 0.933333333
SL - 0.72
CoA - 0.871111111

# haunts total uptime
Haunt 17 204 0.906666667

Thanks Bacon for the valuable input. I will work on the things you suggested and comeback for a second look. Also is there a link anywhere to that wonderful Spreadsheet? The math getting to there is sometimes beyond my abilities. Thanks again.

Last edited by Amandajg : 01/27/09 at 2:27 PM.

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Old 01/22/09, 5:14 PM   #287
Descendbot
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
Detheroc
Could anyone help me out with my WWS? I feel like i should be doing slightly more dps at my gear level.

WWS Report

Armory

The problem might be with my rotation at <25%. Is it typically better to refresh every dot at this point or just DS the whole time?

Thanks for the help.

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Old 01/22/09, 5:36 PM   #288
Trickykid
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Gnome Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Descendbot View Post
Is it typically better to refresh every dot at this point or just DS the whole time?
Sub 25 is only different because your Drain Soul DPCT goes above Shadow Bolt. It's still best to keep all shadow DoTs going for DPCT reasons as well as keeping Affliction debuffs up to make DS hit harder.

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Old 01/22/09, 8:08 PM   #289
Warlocomotif
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Emerald Dream (EU)
I ran 0/20/51 today, and must say I'm quite pleased.

Esspecially mana seems to be exceptional in this spec. I made a good bunch of mistakes still, but here's the WWS:
Wow Web Stats

Note that, the other Warlock used a doomguard, otherwise he'd be pretty far above me (at about 6.4k).
He has slightly better gear than me though (I seriously need to get rid of some hit). The potion I used was crazy alch pot, the random potion effect I got was mana potion. Honestly Alchemy is pretty overpowered right now.

I'm esspecially interested in seeing a comparable 2/13/56 wws.

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Old 01/22/09, 8:28 PM   #290
Xanzoken
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Aman'Thul
Originally Posted by Warlocomotif View Post
I ran 0/20/51 today, and must say I'm quite pleased.

Esspecially mana seems to be exceptional in this spec. I made a good bunch of mistakes still, but here's the WWS:
Wow Web Stats

Note that, the other Warlock used a doomguard, otherwise he'd be pretty far above me (at about 6.4k).
He has slightly better gear than me though (I seriously need to get rid of some hit). The potion I used was crazy alch pot, the random potion effect I got was mana potion. Honestly Alchemy is pretty overpowered right now.

I'm esspecially interested in seeing a comparable 2/13/56 wws.

I've been running 2/13/56 since WoTLK started.

WMO

I could tighten up my cooldowns a bit, I missed a few conflags. Interesting that you run Glyph of Immolate as opposed to CoA Warlocomotif, why is that?

5/5 FnB seems to be weaker than the glyph anyway if you compare our Immolate damage, although your fight did last slightly longer (10s). Do you Conflag every cd or only once per Immo?

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Old 01/22/09, 8:52 PM   #291
Liania
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Mazrigos (EU)
Originally Posted by Xanzoken View Post
I've been running 2/13/56 since WoTLK started.

WMO

I could tighten up my cooldowns a bit, I missed a few conflags. Interesting that you run Glyph of Immolate as opposed to CoA Warlocomotif, why is that?

5/5 FnB seems to be weaker than the glyph anyway if you compare our Immolate damage, although your fight did last slightly longer (10s). Do you Conflag every cd or only once per Immo?

Glyph of Immolate is one of the best glyphs you can have as fire destro?

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Old 01/22/09, 8:59 PM   #292
Warlocomotif
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Emerald Dream (EU)
Originally Posted by Xanzoken View Post
I've been running 2/13/56 since WoTLK started.

WMO

I could tighten up my cooldowns a bit, I missed a few conflags. Interesting that you run Glyph of Immolate as opposed to CoA Warlocomotif, why is that?

5/5 FnB seems to be weaker than the glyph anyway if you compare our Immolate damage, although your fight did last slightly longer (10s). Do you Conflag every cd or only once per Immo?
It's been a while since I did this numbercrunch, and quit frankly I havent done the numbercrunch in a while- so I'll do some napkinmath on-the-go here:

I did 94970 damage with immolate, ~59486 of that is dot damage, 35484 is direct damage.
Before Glyph of immolate that is (59486/1.2=)49572 and (35484/0.9=)39427 respectively.
Which totals 88998 damage before the glyph.

Difference: 5972 Damage. In 170 seconds, that's 35 DPS (Okay Glyph of CoA is looking a lot nicer right now).

As for Glyph of CoA, your CoA does an average 537 per tick vs my average 483. Thats 27 DPS assuming 100% uptime.

As for the duration extension, in a 170 second fight you can fit a maximum of 85 ticks.
If you had no glyph, that would cost you 7.08 casts, with glyph it costs you 6.07.
With 600 haste, and 8% from raid buffs, that means you gain:
(7.08-6.07) * (1.5 / (1.08 + (600/32.79))) = 1.1995s
When doing 5534 DPS, with 771 DPS coming from my imp, that 1.1995 would translate into:
1.1995*(5534-771=4763)=5713 Damage, which in the 170 second fight is 33.6 DPS.

Totalling the glyphs value at 60.6 DPS when assuming 100% uptime.

100% uptime however isn't reasonable to assume, still Glyph of CoA quite clearly comes out on top. I'm changing glyphs before tomorrow

[edit] Would love if anyone has some correction to these numbers[/edit]

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As for my conflag behaviour. I mostly just improvise. If conflag is off cooldown, but there's 3 seconds left before immolate runs out while chaos bolt is up- i'll probably wait. If there's 4 seconds and chaos bolt has 3 seconds cooldown left, ill probably be able to squeeze in 2 incinerates, and spend the third charge on Chaos bolt.

So, the short anwser is 2 conflags per immo-- but very much improvised.

[edit 2]

So, I was just having a snack- and all sorts of mistakes in the above math came up in my mind. For starters I should really use the real CoA uptime I had; 72 out of a possible 85 ticks means 85% uptime.

Second, I dont have the CoA talent. I assumed that because my min CoA damage was quite close to your min coa damage- we'd have similar spellpower and that I could compare the 2 reasonably. However if Y reduce your CoA damage by 10% the average damage from my CoA pretty much matches the average damage from your CoA.

I'll post an edit 3 with better napkinmath.

[edit 3]

So I calculated the new average dot damage by looking at the log file and adding 33% to the largest dot, adding it all together and deviding by 14-- turns out it's a dps gain of ~19.16 assuming 100% uptime, or 16.23 DPS assuming the actual uptime.

Adding the uptime to the cast time saved part of the formula is a lot easier:
(5713/85*72)/170=28.9 DPS

Totalling the glyph at roughly 48 DPS. Still better than glyph of Immolate by about 13 dps.

Last edited by Warlocomotif : 01/22/09 at 10:12 PM. Reason: See post.

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Old 01/23/09, 10:20 AM   #293
Bacon oClock
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Bloodhoof
Originally Posted by Amandajg View Post
Thanks Bacon for the valuable input. I will work on the things you suggested and comeback for a second look. Also is there a link anywhere to that wonderful Spreadsheet? The math getting to there is sometimes beyond my abilities. Thanks again.

Amandajg
I'll post a link to the spreadsheet later, I'll clean it up a bit first so its easier to use.

The math is fairly straightforward though.
To calculate uptime:
open up your WWS and look at the total time for the kill in seconds. In this case its 225 seconds.
From this we need to figure what 100% uptime is.

Take 225 / 3 = 75. 100% uptime for UA,corr,immo,SL is 75 ticks for the fight.
Take 225 / 2 = 111 rounded. 100% uptime for CoA is 111 ticks.

Divide the number of ticks you had on the patchwerk fight by the 100% uptime ticks. For example, you had 62 UA ticks.
62/ 75(100% uptime) = .8266 or 82.7% uptime.

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Old 01/23/09, 10:36 AM   #294
NinjaSquirrel
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Gnome Warlock
 
Kel'Thuzad
I'd like to see if I could have done anything better with my last Patchwerk fight.

http://wowwebstats.com/gyc2co22sdiwa?s=87008-127708

Glyphs:
Glyph of Immolate
Glyph of Siphon Life
Glyph of Curse of Agony

I decided to test out my succubus because we had a disp priest and a warrior tank. The timing on my infernal seemed about right since he died within a couple of seconds of Patchwerk going down. The latency last night was fairly high and the fps was fairly low.

I read about people breaking 5/6k dps and having 15k drain soul ticks. Is my limitation my gear or am I doing something wrong?

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Old 01/23/09, 10:46 AM   #295
brashar
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Feathermoon
Originally Posted by NinjaSquirrel View Post
I'd like to see if I could have done anything better with my last Patchwerk fight.

Wow Web Stats

Glyphs:
Glyph of Immolate
Glyph of Siphon Life
Glyph of Curse of Agony

I decided to test out my succubus because we had a disp priest and a warrior tank. The timing on my infernal seemed about right since he died within a couple of seconds of Patchwerk going down. The latency last night was fairly high and the fps was fairly low.

I read about people breaking 5/6k dps and having 15k drain soul ticks. Is my limitation my gear or am I doing something wrong?
I've been struggling to break 5700DPS on patch with optimal group comp.
Moonkin / Ele Shaman / Disc priest PI'ing me Exclusively / Shadow priests/ Dropping infernal / etc.

I believe my best so far has been 5780-ish.
I don't have all best in slot yet, but pretty damn close.

Edit for typo.

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Old 01/23/09, 1:39 PM   #296
NinjaSquirrel
Von Kaiser
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by brashar View Post
I've been struggling to break 5700DPS on patch with optimal group comp.
Moonkin / Ele Shaman / Disc priest PI'ing me Exclusively / Shadow priests/ Dropping infernal / etc.

I believe my best so far has been 5780-ish.
I don't have all best in slot yet, but pretty damn close.

Edit for typo.
I hope to get to that level myself, we had a good group last night (Moonkin, Ele Shaman, Disc Priest, Shadow Priest) so I was just wondering if I should have surpassed the 4.3k that I did with the gear that I have.

Also, was I doing something wrong that my Drain Soul ticks didn't go over 10k? (Again, I am wondering if my dps is a gear limitation or if I was doing something wrong)

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Old 01/23/09, 2:01 PM   #297
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Human Warlock
 
Dragonmaw
Did you and the other lock have all your dots/debuffs up? We have similar stats and I get 11-13k DS ticks.

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Old 01/23/09, 2:15 PM   #298
UnderbogWarlock
Glass Joe
 
Human Priest
 
Aegwynn
WWS Analysis

Hello, this is a repost but I feel I didn't offer enough input, which is why I believe I didn't get any help.

http://wowwebstats.com/6lspvgvmihsq5...961&a=x16dee68

This is a link to a WWS of my guilds 25 man Malygos kill. Now I know this fight isn't the best to look at but its the only one we have started to WWS (Since I am the only guild member willing to record the parses). Now that whenever I raid we have WWS I believe it will push us all to be better, but on with what I am looking for.

I looked into my WWS, and did some number crunches on my DoT uptime.

3 min
180 sec
60 TPF 100%- UA/Corr/Immo/SL (48, 30, 44, 53) (80%, 50%, 73%, 88%)
90 TPF 100%- CoA (85) 94%

(TPF=Ticks per fight)

This is the math that I came up with, if anyone see's anything wrong can you please correct me.

Now my question is, how in the world did I get only 50% corruption uptime? The only thing I can think of is haunt not refreshing it (Because of the off-time ticks after refreshing corruption via haunt) and causing it to drop off, and me not realizing it. At the time I was 55/0/16 but I recently re-specced to see what kind of damage FG/Emberstorm could bring, due to all the haunt/SE bugs (Now fixed, I know). If anyone see's anything else that I did wrong please feel free to let me know, only upgrade I didnt have then that I am currently using is the Helm of Rationality, which I got on this kill

Another question I have is about pets. I generally use my felpup but in a lot of recent parses I am seeing a One Minute infernal outdpsing three minutes of fel pup, I was wondering when I should summon it, and even if I should.

Edit: Keep in mind this is Malygos and I couldn't DS (Obvious I know, but just forewarning )

Thanks for your help, I hope to hear back soon.

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Old 01/23/09, 2:40 PM   #299
Trickykid
Don Flamenco
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Warlocomotif View Post
As for the duration extension, in a 170 second fight you can fit a maximum of 85 ticks.
If you had no glyph, that would cost you 7.08 casts, with glyph it costs you 6.07.
With 600 haste, and 8% from raid buffs, that means you gain:
(7.08-6.07) * (1.5 / (1.08 + (600/32.79))) = 1.1995s
When doing 5534 DPS, with 771 DPS coming from my imp, that 1.1995 would translate into:
1.1995*(5534-771=4763)=5713 Damage, which in the 170 second fight is 33.6 DPS.
It's slightly less than that since you can't multiply it by your average DPS, you should be using the filler's expected DPS. Your incinerates hit for 7030 on average. 2.25/ (1.08+(600/32.79))=1.766. DPCT is 3981. 3981*1.11995=4775. Divide by 170 = 28.1 DPS.

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Old 01/23/09, 4:56 PM   #300
Warlocomotif
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Human Warlock
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Originally Posted by Trickykid View Post
It's slightly less than that since you can't multiply it by your average DPS, you should be using the filler's expected DPS. Your incinerates hit for 7030 on average. 2.25/ (1.08+(600/32.79))=1.766. DPCT is 3981. 3981*1.11995=4775. Divide by 170 = 28.1 DPS.
You're completely correct. When adding edit 3 of that post into this (real world uptime) that makes it:
(4775/85*72)/170=23.8 DPS, totalling the glyph at 40 DPS. Still ahead of Glyph of Immo, now only by 5 DPS though.

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