Warlock WWS Help and Analysis - Page 24

Leibniz · 02/03/09, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by tigreth

I'm glyphed with Siphon Life, Immolate and Corruption.

From your WWS: you need to work on your dot uptimes. Haunt - 75%, UA - 72%, Immo - 71% and it appears you clipped it or triggered the bug a few times. For a fight that long you also should have been able to fit in a few more drain soul ticks. Final point: if you want to maximize DPS use a Doomguard for Patchwerk.

From your armory: Replace the Darkmoon: Death trinket. Even the Egg of Mortal Essence would be better if only for the static spellpower. A better option would be to get the Mark of the War Prisoner trinket for more +hit and respec to drop a point out of Suppression and Cataclysm and pick up a point in Eradication and Molten Core. Drop the Glyph of Corruption for Glyph of Curse of Agony.

tigreth · 02/03/09, 8:35 PM

Originally Posted by Leibniz

From your WWS: you need to work on your dot uptimes. Haunt - 75%, UA - 72%, Immo - 71% and it appears you clipped it or triggered the bug a few times. For a fight that long you also should have been able to fit in a few more drain soul ticks. Final point: if you want to maximize DPS use a Doomguard for Patchwerk.

From your armory: Replace the Darkmoon: Death trinket. Even the Egg of Mortal Essence would be better if only for the static spellpower. A better option would be to get the Mark of the War Prisoner trinket for more +hit and respec to drop a point out of Suppression and Cataclysm and pick up a point in Eradication and Molten Core. Drop the Glyph of Corruption for Glyph of Curse of Agony.

I have mark of the War Prisoner, I hadn't considered that as a respec option. Regarding re-glyphing I was considering that for the the Curse of Agony Glyph after the 3.0.8 patch rolled, but wasn't sure about it.
Regarding the DoT ticks, I'm pretty sure I kept them up almost constantly until he hit 25% then I wasn't as pro-active about re-upping DoTs, though I did periodically. What Bug are you referring to?
Doomguard is an interesting idea ... I don't know that I've ever actually used one in a raid environment.

One question that cropped up based on this comment: When drain soul time rolls around, does it make sense to re-up DoTs? I'm assuming this is a yes . . . just the tick timer on Drain Soul seems to take FOREVER!!

Xanzoken · 02/03/09, 9:29 PM

Theres a bug with Immolate where if you time it incorrectly the spell will hit as the last tick of the old spell goes off, and will then drop off.

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dasweb · 02/03/09, 11:01 PM

WMO
WWS

WWS didn't show DG.

So there are those two, any tips on increasing? My dot uptime seems to be "Meh". I ALWAYS get stuck mid SB when a dot falls off, or all of them will fall off at once leaving 4-5 seconds before I can get each one back up.

volcomm · 02/04/09, 1:30 AM

Originally Posted by Darkchrono

Big thing most of you are missing on two i saw - randallone and volcomm - you guys are tapping a ridiculous amount, keep in mind you still want to end at zero mana, regardless of 4 piece bonus(which i dont think you two have) or not.

Two minute fight: Both locks Tapped only twice AND we messed up cuz we ended up with about 25% mana
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Also wild magic > speed our gear has so much haste on it either way that with lust popped, its more beneficial for the 200 sp(especially when drainsoul)

i had another attempt and pulled 5300ish with an infernal that dropped slightly early and no DG.

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i had the same amount of life taps but only life tapped when i didnt have the mana to cast another spell...im not sure if the life tapping is the only issue plagueing my dps (but im probably wrong).
armory again:
The World of Warcraft Armory

i also went with a wild magic potion and upgraded my chest from heroes t7 -> heigan's putrid

Leibniz · 02/04/09, 1:44 AM

Originally Posted by tigreth

One question that cropped up based on this comment: When drain soul time rolls around, does it make sense to re-up DoTs? I'm assuming this is a yes . . . just the tick timer on Drain Soul seems to take FOREVER!!

Yes, with a couple of caveats. Each affliction effect on target buffs your drain soul by 4%, so you want to maintain all your affliction effects to maximize damage of drain soul ticks. If the time left before the boss is dead is less than a large fraction of the DoT duration you're better off dropping it and keeping up DS.

In regards to the glyph: CoA is better. The extended duration also makes the rotation a bit simpler.

Eugenic · 02/04/09, 2:44 AM

Here's my guild's latest patchwerk kill, was looking for some feedback on my performance.

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My rotation is SB --> Haunt --> UA --> Immo --> CoA --> Corr --> SL, SB spam refresh when needed. At about 34-35% I pop my infernal, and below 25% I obviously drain soul. Any input would be appreciated.

Aeji · 02/04/09, 1:45 PM

Originally Posted by Eugenic

Here's my guild's latest patchwerk kill, was looking for some feedback on my performance.

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My rotation is SB --> Haunt --> UA --> Immo --> CoA --> Corr --> SL, SB spam refresh when needed. At about 34-35% I pop my infernal, and below 25% I obviously drain soul. Any input would be appreciated.

You're gear is pretty decent (although I noticed you aren't hit capped for 25-mans for Destruction spells. I didn't notice any misses in the WWS you linked but it could be a problem on future attempts.) Just your trinkets really need replacing.

1. I'd recommend dropping that 1 point you have in Improved FelHunter. In my experience the Fel Puppy never runs out of mana in a 25-man and the 5% increase to Fel Intelligence is minuscule. Trading it for at least 1 point in Molten Core would be a definite dps increase.
2. Popping a Potion of Speed or Wild Magic sub 25% should give you a bit of a boost.
3. Make sure your raid is maximizing Bloodlust uptime sub 35% as much as possible. This makes a noticeable difference.
4. I got 11 ticks of Drain Soul on my last Patchwerk while you only got 8, and mine was 20 seconds shorter than yours. Do you have your cast bar set up so you can see when Drain Soul ticks will occur? Clipping your channeling right before a tick so you can refresh dots can waste a good chunk of damage.
5. You don't appear to have had a Moonkin for 13% dmg debuff and none of the Warlocks appeared to be using CoE.
6. Use a Doomguard for the fight if you really want to push out every last bit of dps. He easily does more than twice the dps of a FelHunter.

Edit: Nvm you had an Unholy DK spec'ed for Ebon Plague.

Eugenic · 02/04/09, 1:49 PM

Yeah, I know about the trinkets, I've been working on it but it seems that others in the guild need it alot more than I do. I almost never miss with my shadow bolts with the spriest +3%, i'll definitely look into the one point in molten core. I don't have a cast bar that does that, any suggestions would be very welcome? I feel I should be doing higher dps.

Aeji · 02/04/09, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by Eugenic

I don't have a cast bar that does that, any suggestions would be very welcome? I feel I should be doing higher dps.

There are a couple of methods. The easiest for me is using the FortXorcist mod. You can disable all the misc. stuff you don't need and configure the cast bar to only show up for channeled spells. It will map out your ticks on it's cast bar.

Overall I'd say don't sweat it. Your dps looks fine for your gear level in my opinion. Using the Doomguard alone would have put you in the 5.4k dps range.

duhwhat · 02/04/09, 2:47 PM

Wow Web Stats I had Azure Cloth Bindings with 23 sp for this fight.

The questions I had were:

1. What kind of DPS increase is seen with shorter fight times, for example, for each 30 seconds shaved off?
2. I've been of the "no clipping ever, and I'm just plain lazy" mindset, favoring a SB at times when multiple DoTs are falling off simulaneously rather than trying to juggle 4 DoTs refreshes with potential SB casts between all of them. Are my DoTs uptimes adequate considering this?
3. When are you using potions with respect to your casts/channels (I'm not asking about during Bloodlust/sub 25% etc)? Although potion use doesn't cause a GCD, I feel like I'm often stumbling and wasting at least a GCD to activate the potion and get back to casting. The thought I had was to use it at the end of a longish DS channel immediately before a DoTs or Haunt refresh.

Heeno · 02/04/09, 3:46 PM

1. The DPS increase with shorter fights is not significant but noticeable, I would approximate it at 100 dps per 30 seconds shaved off. Remember that our dps in comparison to other classes is remarkably consistent over long fights and the burst classes can keep up for shorter fights.
2. You should always as much as possible make sure to keep up DoTs without clipping them as long as possible, I noticed your DoT uptimes could improve, especially your immolate.
3. It isn't a bad idea to keybind your potions if you feel you are struggling to get it off quickly, also it is best to use it during the GCD of an instant-cast DoT to prevent any downtime.

Bspa · 02/04/09, 5:24 PM

If you guys have time I'd love to have my rotation/spec/gear analyzed. I didn't use Doomguard on this attempt but I'm certain there is still plenty of room for improvement in my playstyle.

Here is my WWS:
http://wowwebstats.com/rudzadih3rp4e?s=55149-91255

And my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

Two things worth noting. Like I said I wasn't using my doomguard. I also did not have Mutated Robes or The Turning Tide (got those both last night). For robes I was using Heroes' Plagueheart Robes and for my mainhand I was using Haunting Call. I also had to swap in Mark of the War Prisoner for Sundial of the Exiled, since the robe and weapon swapping dropped my hit below what I needed.

Any advice would be wonderful, thanks ahead of the time for helping me.

tigreth · 02/04/09, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by Leibniz

From your WWS: you need to work on your dot uptimes. Haunt - 75%, UA - 72%, Immo - 71% and it appears you clipped it or triggered the bug a few times.

You referred to clipping or triggering "the bug" a few times. Can you please explain this more?

duhwhat · 02/04/09, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by Heeno

2. You should always as much as possible make sure to keep up DoTs without clipping them as long as possible, I noticed your DoT uptimes could improve, especially your immolate.
3. It isn't a bad idea to keybind your potions if you feel you are struggling to get it off quickly, also it is best to use it during the GCD of an instant-cast DoT to prevent any downtime.

I am dropping Immolate after 25%, is it still comparatively low compared to UA? I always cast them together.

I do have my potion keybound, and I will try to practice your suggestion, although I wonder how many instant casts I will be doing sub 25% (where I would typically be using my speed pot) since SL and CoA are around 30 seconds. It typically should be around 1, but I would also like to try to get the pot active during Bloodlust, so that may limit me further.