Warlock WWS Help and Analysis - Page 27

Valilock · 02/06/09, 4:35 AM

Hi, this is my first post on EJ though I've been reading here for 18 months or so. I'm looking for help with my destro rotation, and really would like people's thoughts on how/if I could push more DPS given the gear I have. Here is my last Patchwerk parse:

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I'm 2/13/56 and my rotation is usually Immo, CoA, Chaos Bolt, Incin, Incin, Conflag, Incin, Incin, (maybe Immo or Incin, depends if Heroism is up). I don't use Corruption and even though I have Glyph of Conflag I don't go for 2 Conflags during one Immolate cycle. I tried this but Conflag (even followed by Backdraft) seemed to result in a DPS loss unless it is within the last 5 seconds of of Immolate when I get the increased crit chance from Fire and Brimstone.

So any thoughts? I would be willing to respec if people could suggest tweaks I can make to increase my DPS. I'm actually a little disappointed because a few weeks ago I was pushing 4.5k on Patch and then I got my [Valorous Plagueheart Circlet] to replace [Cowl of Winged Fear] and I seemed to lose a bit of DPS.

(Btw, I didn't have [Life and Death] enchanted at the time of the WWS, it dropped earlier that night)

EDIT: I'm thinking of trying a 0/41/30 build but I'm not sure how it will fair with my gear

Opustjej · 02/06/09, 10:25 AM

Hi there!

This might not be the right thread to write this in but since it was wws that made my wonder over this I´ll use this thread.
I switched to a 0/41/30 specc when the latest patch was released. All in all I am very satisfied. I have descent gear but nothing extraordinary but I dish out some descent damage. I am doing almost 5k on patch/raz and widow and I know for a fact that with my current gear 5500 dps would be the obtainable with this specc since I work on Greenland atm and play with 1200 constant ms which makes my dps suffer alot especially since I dissconnect during heroism almost every time.

Now what strikes me every time I analyse my wws is the miss rating of my felguard. When just analyzing bossfights for our last 3 raids my felguard has done 19-21% of my total damage which is alot. The annoying thing is his missrate. For these raids he had a missrate of 7-8% for both melee and cleave and that is alot. At some bosses he was up at a stunning 13% miss. Now first raid I played softcapped with 270 hit (I´m alliance). Next raid I switched some gear so I had 327 hit just to see if it made any difference. And it did not....

So my question is how much hit do I need to cap my pet? And also I am not a math wizard and I know for a fact that this site is full of them so would someone with the knowlede calculate if it is a dps gain to keep stacking hit even tough I am softcapped just to get my pet capped.

http://wowwebstats.com/ptjigmlu6v44o?m

There is yesterdays wws and as you can see the miss varies alot for my felguard and it´s been the same for all other raids aswell.

P.S we are a IRL friendsguild so no flaming over the bad results please.. D.S

Faldrath · 02/06/09, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Opustjej

So my question is how much hit do I need to cap my pet? And also I am not a math wizard and I know for a fact that this site is full of them so would someone with the knowlede calculate if it is a dps gain to keep stacking hit even tough I am softcapped just to get my pet capped.

Crossposting from the main Demonology thread:

The pet requires 8% hit rating to avoid misses (as per 2H weapon in melee combat), but has zero expertise. This means that normal parry and dodge apply in the melee hit table. Please when reading a WWS parse, don't read dodge/parry as miss, you'll only look foolish when complaining here about pet misses.

Olla · 02/06/09, 1:08 PM

I am having alot of trouble getting decent DPS. I seem to be averaging 3k a boss fight, which, to me, seems subpar. I figured I could post our WWS from last night for analysis.

Wow Web Stats

Stats:
Spell Dmg: 2306 raid buffed
Spell Hit: 416
Crit: 14.88% + 5% moonkin
Haste 463

Just wondering what limiting me still

Emolate · 02/06/09, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by Olla

Just wondering what limiting me still

Spellpower.

I'd drop most of your hit down to get to 11% and rely on talents to carry 3% and Misery/IFF to carry another 3%.

Most of those 16 hit gems can be 19 dmg gems. Swap the enchant on your gloves to Spellpower from Hit if you still have some room.

Or, get an Illustration/Sundial/Embrace and swap out the Mark of the War Prisoner.

Bacon oClock · 02/06/09, 4:16 PM

Originally Posted by Olla

I am having alot of trouble getting decent DPS. I seem to be averaging 3k a boss fight, which, to me, seems subpar. I figured I could post our WWS from last night for analysis.

Wow Web Stats

Stats:
Spell Dmg: 2306 raid buffed
Spell Hit: 416
Crit: 14.88% + 5% moonkin
Haste 463

Just wondering what limiting me still

Hi Olla,

That does seem a bit low. Your uptimes are in the low 80s(84-86% with the exception of immo), which means you should be able to up the DPS by working on those there. Immolate uptime was a bit low at 78%, this could be accounted for by if you dropped it out of your rotation under 25%. If not then focus on that, always cast it next to UA, and never clip it.

You also have a TON of hit(~16% untalented) which might be overkill depending on your raid makeup. Since you have a boomkin they should have imp FF(+3%). As it stands you have 16% + 3%(imp FF) +(3% affl talents) = 22% which is way over the 17% cap needed to not miss a raid boss.

I would replace those + Hit gems with the blue +sp dmg ones(or spdmg/whatever to get the socket bonus). Also on patchwerk pop a doomguard. They can pull 900-1100 is DPS.

Tukar · 02/06/09, 6:34 PM

There are 3 locks in my guild and we are all afflic. The one lock is always number 1 or 2 on the meters every night. I have looked at his spec and gear and feel he doesn't have better gear and the same spec. I can't figure out how he does so much more dps then us other two.

Can you please look over the WWS and let me know if you can see any errors or things I'm missing.

Wow Web Stats

Our usual raid leader has had internet problems so I do not have anything more recent.

This is the #1 locks gear The World of Warcraft Armory

This is mine The World of Warcraft Armory

And this is the middle locks gear The World of Warcraft Armory

I have been trying to figure this out but just can not, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Trickykid · 02/06/09, 7:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tukar

I have been trying to figure this out but just can not, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Did you try looking at the WWS you posted? You know how they say 90% of the time if something isn't working it isn't plugged in? Works for affliction warlocks and DoT uptimes. Kinda broken record-y, but well, here goes.

Looking at patchwerk:
1) You aren't casting immolate. Cast it.
2) His DoT uptimes are anywhere from 5-33% higher than yours.
3) Even with higher uptimes, he casts 26.5% more shadow bolts than you and has 50% more drain soul ticks. This means you wasted a huge amount of DPS time.
4) I imagine your corruption just fell off and you didn't notice. Get some addons to track this better.

After that, I don't think there's much point in checking the other fights, I bet I'd find the same thing! Practice on the dummy for a while until it's second nature if you're getting flustered during raids.

Stosh · 02/06/09, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tukar

There are 3 locks in my guild and we are all afflic. The one lock is always number 1 or 2 on the meters every night. I have looked at his spec and gear and feel he doesn't have better gear and the same spec. I can't figure out how he does so much more dps then us other two.

Can you please look over the WWS and let me know if you can see any errors or things I'm missing.

Wow Web Stats

Our usual raid leader has had internet problems so I do not have anything more recent.

This is the #1 locks gear The World of Warcraft Armory

This is mine The World of Warcraft Armory

And this is the middle locks gear The World of Warcraft Armory

I have been trying to figure this out but just can not, any help would be greatly appreciated.

I took a quick look at your Patchwerk kill, and here are the dot uptimes:

Kasama: Corruption 93% UA 86% SL 88% CoA 87% Immolate: 57%
Tukar: Corruption 70% UA 79% SL 86% CoA 84% Immolate: 0%

You didn't cast a single immolate during the fight, and despite this Kasama was able to cast 14 more shadowbolts than you.

The bottom line is you need to do a much better job of managing your GCD's, you need to get or pay more attention to your DoT timer and you need to cast Immolate.

Going back and looking at the date of the kill, I'm going to assume you improved a whole lot already, as you have the 3 minute Patchwerk achievement from 1/29/09 and this WWS was from 1/13/09 and the 1/13 kill took 4:26.

zeroavix · 02/06/09, 8:09 PM

Posting again since no one helped me out, cause Im honestly not sure what limiting my dps by so much. I see these 6k-7k+ WWS, and im not sure why im not even close to that high. I understand my guilds overall raid dps is a lil low, and thats contributing, but I don't even jump to those numbers during heroism.

Heres 2 of my latest WWS from naxx. Im usually the only lock in the raids, but im wondering if there's a way I can increase my dps on these fights, mainly Patchwerk and Razuvious. Im not using doomguard or infernal (forget usually) in these, but do they make THAT much of a difference from these 6k+ WWS I see from other locks?

Wow Web Stats

Wow Web Stats

Tukar · 02/06/09, 8:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

I took a quick look at your Patchwerk kill, and here are the dot uptimes:

Kasama: Corruption 93% UA 86% SL 88% CoA 87% Immolate: 57%
Tukar: Corruption 70% UA 79% SL 86% CoA 84% Immolate: 0%

You didn't cast a single immolate during the fight, and despite this Kasama was able to cast 14 more shadowbolts than you.

The bottom line is you need to do a much better job of managing your GCD's, you need to get or pay more attention to your DoT timer and you need to cast Immolate.

Going back and looking at the date of the kill, I'm going to assume you improved a whole lot already, as you have the 3 minute Patchwerk achievement from 1/29/09 and this WWS was from 1/13/09 and the 1/13 kill took 4:26.

First thank you for your response.
Is there any stats that should be improved ie more crit over haste or such?

Kragoth · 02/07/09, 9:14 AM

It's been a little while since I last played a lock (last time was Naxx v1), but my guild have asked that I pull out my old char as we were a little short of them. Now I have been reading the Affliction thread, but find my DPS is quite a bit short of the other locks in the guild (both of which are Felguard/Emberstorm). Is it a gear issue? or I am doing blatantly wrong? and if so, what can I do to put it right? Please be brutal!

WWS: Wow Web Stats
Arm: The World of Warcraft Armory

Thanks in advance,

Krag

Aeji · 02/07/09, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Kragoth

It's been a little while since I last played a lock (last time was Naxx v1), but my guild have asked that I pull out my old char as we were a little short of them. Now I have been reading the Affliction thread, but find my DPS is quite a bit short of the other locks in the guild (both of which are Felguard/Emberstorm). Is it a gear issue? or I am doing blatantly wrong? and if so, what can I do to put it right? Please be brutal!

WWS: Wow Web Stats
Arm: The World of Warcraft Armory

Thanks in advance,

Krag

Your gear is ok, but by no means amazing. Take this into account when you're comparing your DPS to Warlocks who are performing better. That being said, you can do much better than 3.7k dps in your current gear.

DoT UpTimes (Patchwerk)

Corruption: 78%
UA: 81%
Immolate: 81%
Siphon Life: 80%
CoA: 86%

You're dot uptimes are kind of on the low side, particularly for a stationary fight like Patchwerk, especially corruption, which should have a near 100% uptime since it's refreshed automatically by haunt.

Drain soul: 5 ticks in a 3min fight is extremely low. I got more than twice that number of ticks on my last Patchwerk and mine was ~20 seconds shorter than yours. Make sure you start using it as you filler asap once the boss hits 25%. Also, get a mod or customize quartz to show you when DS ticks will occur so you don't clip ticks early and lose dmg.

Misc points:

1. You're professions don't give you any stat/dps increases. Consider dropping both, or at least one, for a Profession that does - Enchanting, Jewelcrafting, etc.
2. Pop a dps pot sub-25%. Opinions vary on which to use for Affliction. Can't go wrong with Potion of Wild Magic though.
3. In general, now that the bugs with the Felhunter have been fixed it's a better choice over the imp, especially if you don't have a Disc Priest bringing Divine Spirit. Use the Doomguard on fights where you really want to see how far you can push your damage output. It will outperform even the Felhunter + Infernal combo now that it's been buffed.
4. You're 1% over the hit cap for 25-mans. (12% - gear, 3% - talents, 3% - Shadow Priest = 18%) Drop a point in cataclysm and put a point into Molten core. You can drop a point in suppression too, but there's no good place to put it in early Affliction that will increase dps by any amount worth mentioning.
5. You're gloves aren't enchanted according to armory. I'm assuming you just got them and didn't have a chance to yet. You're belt is missing an extra gem slot from an Eternal belt buckle also.
6. Can't see which glyphs you have, but you should be using Immolate, Siphon Life, and CoA.

I didn't see a Boomkin or an Elemental Shaman in your WWS, but you can't do much about that. Just something to consider when you compare yourself to locks outside you raid. Hope this helps a little.

Kragoth · 02/08/09, 10:12 AM

Thanks, that has been very useful. The gloves are new, in fact all that gear is fairly new, due to me switching chars, i've basically just been boosted, so my gear has gone through quite a number of changes. Guess I need to practice a little a keeping my DoTs at higher percentages - in reference to this, is it better to hold off on a Shadowbolt in order to refresh a DoT at the optimal time? or cast a Shadowbolt, and refresh directly after it? According to the Affliction post it's always best to be casting something, but i'm curious, is there an optimal median, dependant on how much time there is left on a ticking dot - e.g. 0.5secs seems it may be worthwhile waiting, whereby >1sec casting a Shadowbolt may be better.

duhwhat · 02/08/09, 1:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kragoth

is it better to hold off on a Shadowbolt in order to refresh a DoT at the optimal time? or cast a Shadowbolt, and refresh directly after it? According to the Affliction post it's always best to be casting something, but i'm curious, is there an optimal median, dependant on how much time there is left on a ticking dot - e.g. 0.5secs seems it may be worthwhile waiting, whereby >1sec casting a Shadowbolt may be better.

There is probably no optimal median, and this amount of timer stare-age (deciding if you have 0.5 seconds vs. 1.1 seconds and then deciding to cast a dot or shadowbolt) is surely going to lower your practical dps.