Warlock WWS Help and Analysis - Page 39

fallenman · 05/27/09, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by nuibank

You should only be life tapping as needed with 3/13/55 as well.

Taking that a step further, there was a previous discussion here on this subject: http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-s...1/#post1227074

I really don't know where the "life tap every 20 seconds no matter what" idea came from - sure, the simcraft profiles do so, but only because it was the best of several "easy" strategies to implement in the simcraft code. I think the theoretically optimal strategy is not to life tap every 20 seconds for the buff, but rather to spread your life taps equally out across the length of the fight, timing it so you're exactly OOM at time_to_die=0. Implementing this strategy in simcraft is a bit of a challenge, but I'll try it as soon as I have some time on my hands.

Balzamon · 06/10/09, 4:18 AM

Hello

Been reading EJ for a long time but never posted before. I recently switched to destruction and I am wondering about the damage I do in comparisson to what I am supposed/expected to do at my level of gear "in real gaming".. as the simcraft numbers never seem to apply to or reflect my situation.. simcraft numbers are always way higher than I can bring even when using similar gear as in the sim. I did my first 25 ulduar raid yesterday as destro and we did XT and Kologarn.

my gear can be found here The World of Warcraft Armory

Why I am wondering is becuase I used to be affliction for a long time and topped about 4500 dps in your average tank n spank fight which is nowhere near the 7k here and there I hear people do.

As destro I noticed a clear boost, actually beating our mages most of the times which is something i didnt do before, but I would like to get some input from others about their average dps/dps peaks on these two bosses. (also on Razorscale and Ignis if that is possible even though I dont have any numbers of my own on those yet)

I had alot of lag during this raid for some reason, probably affected my dps, latency peaked as high as 900 even though it was around 250 when my net worked as intended (normal latency around 100-150)

(dont have any wws on these fights Im afraid)
On XT I did on average of around 5100-5300 dps, including some aoe on bots, reaching as high as 6k during heroism on heart phase.
On kologarn I had some massive DC issues so I really just got one decent try there without lag/dc issues and then I was around 4.9k-5k with nuking arm/boss, didn't do any aoe becuase our 5 mages handled that alone.

rotation was something like CoD - immo - CB - CF - In ---> priority, with the occational corruption while running.

so basically what I am wondering, are these numbers something I could be pleased with considering my gear, no 2pt8 etc or is it still on the low end?

Norber · 06/10/09, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by Balzamon

Hello

Been reading EJ for a long time but never posted before. I recently switched to destruction and I am wondering about the damage I do in comparisson to what I am supposed/expected to do at my level of gear "in real gaming".. as the simcraft numbers never seem to apply to or reflect my situation.. simcraft numbers are always way higher than I can bring even when using similar gear as in the sim. I did my first 25 ulduar raid yesterday as destro and we did XT and Kologarn.

my gear can be found here The World of Warcraft Armory

Why I am wondering is becuase I used to be affliction for a long time and topped about 4500 dps in your average tank n spank fight which is nowhere near the 7k here and there I hear people do.

As destro I noticed a clear boost, actually beating our mages most of the times which is something i didnt do before, but I would like to get some input from others about their average dps/dps peaks on these two bosses. (also on Razorscale and Ignis if that is possible even though I dont have any numbers of my own on those yet)

I had alot of lag during this raid for some reason, probably affected my dps, latency peaked as high as 900 even though it was around 250 when my net worked as intended (normal latency around 100-150)

(dont have any wws on these fights Im afraid)
On XT I did on average of around 5100-5300 dps, including some aoe on bots, reaching as high as 6k during heroism on heart phase.
On kologarn I had some massive DC issues so I really just got one decent try there without lag/dc issues and then I was around 4.9k-5k with nuking arm/boss, didn't do any aoe becuase our 5 mages handled that alone.

rotation was something like CoD - immo - CB - CF - In ---> priority, with the occational corruption while running.

so basically what I am wondering, are these numbers something I could be pleased with considering my gear, no 2pt8 etc or is it still on the low end?

Here is something to do during your up coming ban. Warlock DPS Spreadsheet -

Nnayr · 06/10/09, 3:10 PM

Does anyone have any decent ignis reports? I'm curious to check what some of you are pulling on the fight.

I'm only getting 6600 i don't really know if i should be pulling more or not.

Wow Web Stats

Partybear · 06/10/09, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Nnayr

Does anyone have any decent ignis reports? I'm curious to check what some of you are pulling on the fight.

I'm only getting 6600 i don't really know if i should be pulling more or not.

Wow Web Stats

When I get flame jets it's a good time to throw up a corruption and a deathcoil for a bit of extra dps.

• dragon12 · 06/12/09, 4:19 PM

I need some input on my dps. I'm struggling to see it rise above 5k on most fights and I'm pretty sure I can do a lot better - but right now I'm not seeing how. While I'm the raid-leader I don't think it affects my dps much on most fights, especially stand-and-nuke fights like Ignis. Below is a parse of my Ignis dps on a farm run - if other fights are more appropriate to look at they're included as well, although I was messing around with 3/15/53 for some fights.
For the Ignis kill I realised I had accidentally equipped my pvp trinket - I had 4 misses for the fight when usually I'm hitcapped.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Bessa · 06/13/09, 2:13 PM

Id advise switching to one of the heavy destro variants if you have to raidlead at the same time, less timers to look at and comparable dps.

vl0071 · 06/15/09, 12:27 AM

Hello,

I have only got to 80 in May and have managed to gather a couple of items from naxx and the AH. What I was wondering is whether my dps is optimal for my gear level. On our XT kill last week I only managed to pull 4k dps. My imp keeps dying all the time so this may explain it but I would have thought my dps should at least be 5k.

Here's the stats: http://wowwebstats.com/jhxkqgazjprpa

Am I doing something wrong or is it a trinket thing?

Spec · 06/15/09, 12:30 AM

Wouldn't normally trouble the community with this but I've been struggling badly with my dps of late and could really use the insight.

This is a recent WWS of an Ignis kill:

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

and of two of our more successful Hodir hardmode attempts:

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

I play with a latency of about 3-400ms but I would think so do quite a few others in the raid. The rotation I typically use is COD (running in) > Immo > CB > Conflag > Incin then to a priority of Immo (if not up), conflag, CB, incin in that order. I do this as I am unable to conflag immediately after an immo but I do find that this synchs up the cooldowns on CB and conflag quite a bit which creates a small window to conflag before immo runs out and causes me to be a bit later with CB.

I'm not running any T8 but I don't want to cop out and pass this off as a gearing issue. Nevertheless, any comments on significant gearing problems / mistakes would still be appreciated.

Lebuff · 06/15/09, 5:00 AM

Originally Posted by Spec

Wouldn't normally trouble the community [...]
I'm not running any T8 but I don't want to cop out and pass this off as a gearing issue. Nevertheless, any comments on significant gearing problems / mistakes would still be appreciated.

From the Ignis kill I saw that you were thrown in the slagpot twice (once more than the other locks) which ofc lowered your dps compared to theirs. On the first Hodir fight you got Storm Power and did the most dps, even though the others got it too. On the second Hodir fight you didn't get Storm Power at all and therefore did lower damage. You are apparently better at standing next to fires and avoiding flashfreeze than your fellow locks also. Good job. Now just convince them to l2p and give you Storm Power.
Your gear is great for its level. Time to get t8.

Hope someone can give you some more info on your spell uptimes and such.

dualaud · 06/19/09, 5:22 PM

*** Deleted due to redundancy of the included information. My bad.

Cepha · 07/05/09, 5:51 AM

Hi guys I do not have some usable WWS right now but I hope that you will be able to help me and answer my questions without these. I am really desperate about two fights as it seems that I am not able to do the dps that one would expect with my gear,
Yogg'Saron and Vezax hardmode.

Let’s start with Vezax( as deep Destro):
I am using deep Destro for that fight, with normal dps rotation for that spec. My question is how much mana do you safe for the Animus? I usually stop dps at about 8k mana because I am afraid of going OOM at the wrong moment.

Yogg’Saron (as Affliction):
I know that multidotting is the way to go here in p2. The question is if you have one crusher and let’s say 2 corruptor tentacles in range, what dots do you use on the corruptors? I am using corr and ua for the corruptors and normal affli dps rotation for the crusher. Do you execute the crusher? Or do you keep dotting the corruptors. I simply cannot manage to get a good dps here.

ssongraistln · 07/07/09, 12:32 PM

Our guild is on Council 25 hard mode, and the execution seems pretty easy on DPS when you get to the 3rd phase. You just stand there and pew pew Steelbreaker. 0 movement. Just spam your mindless rotation. However, we're about 25% - 30% short on DPS?

I looked at the logs of a guild who downed him successfully, and their lock is pull around 6500 dps vs. 5K for me. I looked at the breakdown and every one of his spells is just hitting about 10% higher: (6000 vs. 6800 incinerates, 2200 vs. 2000 immolates, etc.) Is it simply a matter of gearing?

My logs:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Log of warlock who killed him successfully:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Spellia · 07/07/09, 2:11 PM

IC hard is a fairly tight window from my experience, you will probably end the fight with only a few seconds left on your last tank's overwhelming power debuff.

Looking over your WOL parse, I can see that overall dps is extremely low for some reason. If you look at the successful kills, everyone is well above 5k dps, with the pure dps classes near 7k. Of course, dps for the entire fight is highly dependent on how many runes of power you can benefit from in the first phase, but still wouldn't account for 2k dps or so per person.

I also see that active time for some people is lower than 90%, are they dead? I doubt you will do IC hard with any less than a full raid alive and buffed.

As for your own dps and gear, I have similar gear level than yours, and on my best attempts I reach 7.1k dps. I suggest you find ways to tighten your rotation and use speed pots, etc etc. Or perhaps you guys need a better strat for the positioning of the raid, to maximize dps.

gl,

turturin · 07/10/09, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Cepha

Let’s start with Vezax( as deep Destro):
I am using deep Destro for that fight, with normal dps rotation for that spec. My question is how much mana do you safe for the Animus? I usually stop dps at about 8k mana because I am afraid of going OOM at the wrong moment.

Yogg’Saron (as Affliction):
I know that multidotting is the way to go here in p2. The question is if you have one crusher and let’s say 2 corruptor tentacles in range, what dots do you use on the corruptors? I am using corr and ua for the corruptors and normal affli dps rotation for the crusher. Do you execute the crusher? Or do you keep dotting the corruptors. I simply cannot manage to get a good dps here.

You shouldn't have mana problems on Vezax if you keep your discipline and only dps from shadow crashes, have all available intellect buffs and if the other dps are putting out what they need to.

As far as Yogg p2, your problem is most likely the speed of your target aquisition and decision making processes. You need to use a dmg ability or lifetap every GCD, but it also follows that if you acquire a constrictor target having corruption be the next button you push isn't helping you (or the raid much). And yes, you should run a full dps rotation on the crushers since they will live longer than one DoT rotation cycle.