Warlock WWS Help and Analysis - Page 5

dcpwns · 12/17/08, 1:53 AM

Was hoping for some tips if any on my last patchwork kill.For some reason my immo is really low compared to UA and I cast them back to back. So i think it was a little on the bug and the fact I drop it below 25%.Also we have no boomkin or elem shaman.About how much of an inc would those two bring?

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From what I have calculated if I did it right was pretty damn good uptimes. But my dps seems low.Also I picked up new shoulders and a chest this night on that fight i was using tier6 shoulders and tier7 10man chest. If I could get some help on whether I should use tier7 25 man shoulders are these [Mantle of the Fatigued Sage]. Sorry if the last part doesn't belong here.

Leshrac89 · 12/17/08, 6:36 AM

About the immolate, did you clip it at anytime? my PW kills has 11 casts of immolate with 64 ticks. Yours have 10 casts with 44 Ticks.

• Zakalwe · 12/17/08, 6:52 AM

I thought immolate only ticked 5 times?

Leshrac89 · 12/17/08, 8:01 AM

Ok, just noticed WWS doesnt count crit as a hit so let me rephrase.
my PW kills has 13 casts of immolate with 64 ticks. Yours have 13 casts with 44 ticks.
That makes his number more odd.

exog · 12/17/08, 8:06 AM

Maybe one of them has conflagate? This would consume any remaining ticks.

Edit: No conflagate on his char.

What about glyphs? Doesnt the immo glyph reduce the duration of the dot?

Leshrac89 · 12/17/08, 8:14 AM

No, it just increases the damage of the DOT by 20% and reduces the Initial damage by 10%

• Zakalwe · 12/17/08, 8:30 AM

I guess dcpwns clips the last tick of his immolate every single time? That would explain the numbers.

bambatsa · 12/17/08, 11:13 AM

Ok i have noticed that in most wws reports the demonic soul buff is calculated as 10% critical chance on your shadowbolt or incinerate for the next 10 secs.
Am i missing something? Isn't it 10% for your next shadowbolt or incinerate?
Is it possible that the results are wrong because of that?
Was just wondering.

Pilnaz · 12/17/08, 11:38 AM

I am looking for some tips, my DPS is lacking and my frustration is growing. I have done quite a bit of reading and searching and spec adjusting. Here are two WWS, thanks in advance for your assistance.

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Tinava · 12/17/08, 11:41 AM

Just looking at your Patchwerk death...why use corruption or deathcoil? You should not need either. Adding corruption complicates the mix of spells, as well.

What glyphs are you using?

Leshrac89 · 12/17/08, 11:47 AM

Havnt played CB in Wotlk yet but i'd say you have a low amount of Chaos Bolt / Conflag casts, I'm no expert though so you better check some other Locks out and see their numbers.

Pilnaz · 12/17/08, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tinava

Just looking at your Patchwerk death...why use corruption or deathcoil? You should not need either. Adding corruption complicates the mix of spells, as well.

What glyphs are you using?

Imp
CoA
Conflag

dcpwns · 12/17/08, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Leshrac89

Ok, just noticed WWS doesnt count crit as a hit so let me rephrase.
my PW kills has 13 casts of immolate with 64 ticks. Yours have 13 casts with 44 ticks.
That makes his number more odd.

I don't know I'm guessing I did.But if I clipped it wouldn't that mean I clipped UA to since I cast them back to back? I knew something was up with immo but other then that I thought I did fairly well with the other dot uptimes.

Pilnaz · 12/17/08, 12:13 PM

I'm not seeing the DoT up time, are you doing a manual calculation on this or am I just looking in the wrong spot? If the second is the answer please direct me to these up time stats.

dcpwns · 12/17/08, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pilnaz

I'm not seeing the DoT up time, are you doing a manual calculation on this or am I just looking in the wrong spot? If the second is the answer please direct me to these up time stats.

I'm doing a manual one. 4min fight equals 240 seconds. 240/3= 80 this would be the best case uptime. Then take my number and divide it by 80 which would be 71/80= 88%. Do this for all the 3 sec dots and for CoA do the same thing but use 2 instead of three. All my dots besides immo were around 88%.

Pilnaz · 12/17/08, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by dcpwns

I'm doing a manual one. 4min fight equals 240 seconds. 240/3= 80 this would be the best case uptime. Then take my number and divide it by 80 which would be 71/80= 88%. Do this for all the 3 sec dots and for CoA do the same thing but use 2 instead of three. All my dots besides immo were around 88%.

This is helpful using these formula; I only had Immo up 73% and Corp up 79% CoA was fine at 93%. My understanding was that you want to blow Conflag with less than 4sec left on your immolate to get max effectiveness.

Trickykid · 12/17/08, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Pilnaz

This is helpful using these formula; I only had Immo up 73% and Corp up 79% CoA was fine at 93%. My understanding was that you want to blow Conflag with less than 4sec left on your immolate to get max effectiveness.

I always shot for less than three seconds remaining to get the fourth tick of immolate.

Quadette · 12/17/08, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by Nicarras

You should try and use CoA instead of CoD. I'm almost 100% sure that it should help you out, but would be great to see a parse of you just changing that and seeing what the difference is. [Potion of Speed] are what I use for the fight too.

Changed it up this week with CoA and a speed pot. From what i can see molten core stayed the same w/ 4 procs for the fight. Demonic Soul almost double the procs this week w/ 24. other than that not alot of change in dps

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Seldric · 12/17/08, 4:02 PM

From reading these forums I have seen people pulling very high dps as affliction. I think I'm doing "OK", but the casting sequence at 25% and below feels very awkward, and I sometimes feel that I'm not using Drain Soul correctly.

Here is a recent patch fight:
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Note: I summoned a doomguard for this fight, but he did not seem to be included in the past few reports that I made. My guesstimate is that he did 500 or so dps, but I forgot to check his stats in recount.

Until 25% I tried to maintain all of my dots. At 25% I stopped refreshing immolate and only used shadow spells. Corruption was up 92% of the time, UA not quite as high but 84% of the time.

My spec and gear used are the ones shown in the armory right now. My spec includes Exhaustion for kiting zombies on Gluth. My gear is still pretty bad for the time being, but I have had little luck on Naxx drops so far.

Glyphs:
Corruption
Immolate
Siphon Life

I would like to swap to the CoA glyph, but in our raids I am most of the time stuck on CoE duty.

Questions:
Is it obvious from the report that my drain soul usage is wrong or not? It feels awkward in that there is often time for only one tick then I have to refresh a dot or haunt. I made a custom SCT event based upon the advice in these forums to notify me of drain soul ticks, and that seems to have helped a bit.

Also, when trying to squeeze out the last tick of drain soul before refreshing a dot, my shadow embrace will sometimes fall off. Should I cast a Shadow Bolt and Haunt to stack it up to two, or just Haunt and Drain Soul, making sure to not let the stack fall off again?

krilz · 12/18/08, 6:42 AM

Originally Posted by Seldric

Glyphs:
Corruption
Immolate
Siphon Life

I would like to swap to the CoA glyph, but in our raids I am most of the time stuck on CoE duty.

Don't. Your current glyphs are much better than CoA.

Originally Posted by Pilnaz

Imp
CoA
Conflag

You're probably better off with Immolate than for example Conflagrate. As for CoA, there aren't that many worthwhile glyphs as destro so you might as well keep it, but since you use Corruption the glyph could probably provide better DPS. Makes the rotation harder though. And try to cast Chaos Bolt more often, 6 times ain't gonna cut it.

Pilnaz · 12/18/08, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Trickykid

I always shot for less than three seconds remaining to get the fourth tick of immolate.

Thanks for the tips guys and gals.

I found a vast improvement with the 0/31/40 imp cannon for the WWS below. Still have to do some up time DoT work but I have the concept down and that is the important thing.

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Bessa · 12/18/08, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Pilnaz

I am looking for some tips, my DPS is lacking and my frustration is growing. I have done quite a bit of reading and searching and spec adjusting. Here are two WWS, thanks in advance for your assistance.

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17 Immolates, 10 Conflags, on Patchwerk that is unsatisfactory, you hove nothing else to think about other than uptimes and casts. ideally you want 17/17 that way your getting the haste benefit from it everytime, more incinerates, more dps.

Try this macro, /castsequence reset=combat/target Conflagrate, Chaos Bolt, Immolate, Incinerate

Use it when there is 1-2 secs left on your Immo and makes it alot easier and u dont have to fudge around with buttons. If there is another Lock in your grp that is keeping Immo up ~90% of the time, then drop the Immo and recast it after you've consumed the Backdraft charges.

Pilnaz · 12/18/08, 2:56 PM

Thanks for the input, I took the easy way out and changed specs to go back to the basics and it has already helped my DPS.

dcpwns · 12/18/08, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by Leshrac89

Ok, just noticed WWS doesnt count crit as a hit so let me rephrase.
my PW kills has 13 casts of immolate with 64 ticks. Yours have 13 casts with 44 ticks.
That makes his number more odd.

Yea I don't understand the number either. At 13 cast I should of had 65 ticks and even if I clip the last one on all the cast I would end up with a number of 52. There is no way I clipped it more then this because the fact I use UA/IMMO on every recast.

couchtyp · 12/19/08, 11:26 AM

I just wanted to share two WWS report with you guys...

Patchwerk, 2008-11-30, Actor: Finkle (1)
Talents: 53/0/18, no Immolate used
Glyphs: SB, Corruption, Felhunter (no SL-glyph on the AH at that time)

Patchwerk, 2008-12-17, Actor: Finkle (2)
Talents: 54/0/17
Glyphs: CoA, Immolate, SL

The difference of 481 DPS between both reports could be blamed on the raid-setup (no moonkin in (2)) or simply rng.
I am unsure of the equipment used in the first report - for the second report it should more or less match my current gear (1826 spell power unbuffed, 275 hit, 217 crit, 478 haste).

DoT uptimes could be improved (between 86% UA and 93% CoA), but currently I'm fine with the DPS.

For the moment I will stick to my current build with 1 point in MC and 2 points in Eradication instead of maxing ISB.
I changed the CoA- for the Corruption-glyph again. CoA-glyph is just not worth it and does not really change the "rotation" in any way.

I really hoped doing more DPS in the second report, because my gear improved and not using Immolate in the first WWS was a waste. But I think the raid-setup just plays a big role when it comes to stand-and-nuke fights.