Looking for a bit of constructive criticism from my last naxx/patchwerk fight. I ended up finishing at 4900 dps on patchwerk, but looking at others numbers i feel i should be a bit higher.
I calculated my uptime and that sucks compared to what i would have like to seen(prefer around 90%). Roughly 84% for Ua,immo,sl. 89 % for CoA and Corr.
Here is my issue. I tweaked my affl spec from when this parse happened, and wont have another patchwerk kill until next week. My build was a bit screwed up, had 3/3 erad and 1/3 DE, also didnt have any in MC on this parse. Is it the funky build i had going that kept me under 5k or was it my uptime on Dots? Or a little of column A+B.
Open to suggestions here, to be honest I don't like affliction in its current state, but it puts up the numbers so I'm sticking with it until i can find something that is on par with it.
First thing I noticed was the drain soul ticks.. considering your gear, shouldn't they be up at 12k?
I was thinking it should be a bit higher. Its a possibility that its from dots dropping off while doing DS (which could explain some of the crappy uptime), i know when i get towards the last 10% or so I tend to not throw up all the dots because I don't think they will go full duration.
I would like some help with analyzing my WWS. Although it was extremely laggy during the fight, I was relatively disappointed at my performance and I don't want to blame lag. I am Risu on the following Patchwerk fight Wow Web Stats. I don't really know which debuff to look for to tell if I was using the correct curse, but I assumed that Squinty had enough points into Unholy that meant that I could use CoA. If you do Armory me, I have gotten a couple of upgrades since the fight, my boots were the level 70 badge boots with a hit gem in the socket and 22 stamina enchant and my weapon was the Kirin Tor dagger with 50 spell power enchant. I was hitcapped with the Shadow Priest and Heroic Presence.
I seem to be struggling with Drain Soul. At 25%, do I want to refresh all my dots (cutting some of them short) and then Drain Soul? Or do I Drain Soul for the remainder of my dot time, reapply dots as they fall off (interrupting my drain soul) and Drain Soul again.
I appreciate any feedback that you might have. Looking at the WWS, I don't see my imp on the chart. It makes me wonder if I had him on passive or something. Does it appear that way to you as well?
I would probably attribute your dps being low to the fact that your imp is indeed missing from your wws parse and perhaps mediocre gearing? A sp + spirit leg enchant would be much more beneficial to a lock than your current blue stamina enchant. With the current raid setup and current gear that you have (ele shammy, mage, unholy dk specced with ebonplague bringer), a dps of 3.8-4k should be easily attainable.
As for post 25% boss hp, yes you definitely would want to interrupt DS, refresh all dots barring immolate n droppin in haunt when it is around 2-3seconds from expiring so as to prevent shadow embrace from dropping since shadowbolt would'nt be a spell you'd be using barring nightfall procs. Make sure not to interrupt DS when it is 0.5s from ticking though. I find that using a timer like msbt with a set trigger that announces individual DS ticks helps timing of dot refreshment post 25% a lot easier as it enables me to refresh dots immediately after each tick.
Had to use felpup instead of imp as I was the only lock in raid which also accounted for much lower drain soul ticks as I wasn't maximising soul siphon. With 2 more locks in raid, some gear upgrades and maybe if i remember to pop a speed pot next week, I would probably expect a gain of around 300+ more dps
Imo with affliction, all it takes is getting used to your own rotation which will make constantly attaining 5k + dps on bosses like ktz, sapphiron, patchwerk easier. WWS Full Naxx 25
First thing I noticed was the drain soul ticks.. considering your gear, shouldn't they be up at 12k?
Seems some are luckier then others.I only run with 1 other lock most of the time and he is destro so he tends not to dot as much.So imo my DS ticks are screwed from the start.
Notice that 2 pc t7 was available to me AFTER the raid, not during it. Also my pet was passive for a big chunk of the fight (stupid me).
Now i'd like to know your tips as areas of improvements, in gear, spec etc...
Raid Composition: No shadowpriest, Moonkin has not IFF.
I'm also interested to know if I should use CoE, as the mages i'm running with are having serious miss issues.
I plan to get the Egg of the mortal essence in spite of the Embrace of the Spider trinket, as it seems a better choice for an affliction warlock.
"I love that sometimes we need to go to the opposite side of the world to realize assumptions that we didn't even know we had and realize that the opposite may also be true." - Derek Sivers
Notice that 2 pc t7 was available to me AFTER the raid, not during it. Also my pet was passive for a big chunk of the fight (stupid me).
Now i'd like to know your tips as areas of improvements, in gear, spec etc...
Raid Composition: No shadowpriest, Moonkin has not IFF.
I'm also interested to know if I should use CoE, as the mages i'm running with are having serious miss issues.
I plan to get the Egg of the mortal essence in spite of the Embrace of the Spider trinket, as it seems a better choice for an affliction warlock.
My first advice is get hitcapped for both affli and destro. You have missed quite a few spells, amongst which UA (not on this fight though) which will break your "rotation". I also see your Haunt has not been up all the time, which is a big dps loss.
Below 25% you should use DS as a filler and not SB, but you hardly used it, not at all on Patchwork.
If you want to improve your dps even more, pop an Inferno 1 min before the end of the fight (get something like TimeToDie to tell you how long it will take for the mob to die), or use a Doomguard even. See the pet-topic on this forum for that.
Sorry noobish of me. IT does lowers the magic resistance, but I don't see that as useful.Also we commonly raid with a Unholy DK, so I think that's not the issue.
@ Issa
Thanks for your tips, first of all.
I must sill get used to DS at 25%, same for popping infernal @ 1 min before the boss dies (yeah i've read the other affliction threads on EJ already, they were useful
Is getting hit capped atm really that worth it ? If you parse my reports, I rarely miss, and I get only partial resists which are negligible.
Shouldn't I focuse more on haste instead?
Yes, I still have to improve in my rotation, sometimes I also start with the wrong sequence instead of SB + Haunt + rest.
"I love that sometimes we need to go to the opposite side of the world to realize assumptions that we didn't even know we had and realize that the opposite may also be true." - Derek Sivers
Sorry noobish of me. IT does lowers the magic resistance, but I don't see that as useful.Also we commonly raid with a Unholy DK, so I think that's not the issue.
@ Issa
Thanks for your tips, first of all.
I must sill get used to DS at 25%, same for popping infernal @ 1 min before the boss dies (yeah i've read the other affliction threads on EJ already, they were useful
Is getting hit capped atm really that worth it ? If you parse my reports, I rarely miss, and I get only partial resists which are negligible.
Shouldn't I focuse more on haste instead?
Yes, I still have to improve in my rotation, sometimes I also start with the wrong sequence instead of SB + Haunt + rest.
Reaching hit cap is, will always be and has always been the number one dps increase.
This is not as straightforward as you make it sound. See the discussion in the hit thread for instance. Things have changed from TBC.
As an afflictionspecced warlock, you get screwed up for the whole fight by missing a haunt. Imagine being extremely unlucky, and those 1-2% miss you have happens twice in a row. (0.01*0.01=0.0001) It's a very small chance, yes, but it can happen. It's a matter of stable dps or not. Of course you can get higher dps if you get lucky and don't miss, even if you are not capped. But being capped means you are safe, you dont have to worry. You become reliable for the whole raid. On fights like Patchwerk, going for the timed achievement, how would you feel if you missed one SB and he dies 1 sec too late? Not too good i guess. Although, it is a matter of personal flavour.
Raid Composition: No shadowpriest, Moonkin has not IFF.
I lol'ed, I'm sorry. You should really talk to an officer or your raidleader about this, because that is just a no go. Its a mere 3 points and 3% hit matters SOO much. Especially if you dont have a stable shadowpriest atm. If you run an unholy deathknight or a warlock, there is hardly any reason to bring the druid unless he is a really exceptionel player. And if that was the case, I'm sure he wouldnt mind spending points in a talent that gives him 3% hit AND crit.
I lol'ed, I'm sorry. You should really talk to an officer or your raidleader about this, because that is just a no go. Its a mere 3 points and 3% hit matters SOO much. Especially if you dont have a stable shadowpriest atm. If you run an unholy deathknight or a warlock, there is hardly any reason to bring the druid unless he is a really exceptionel player. And if that was the case, I'm sure he wouldnt mind spending points in a talent that gives him 3% hit AND crit.
I have to agree. Your CritChicken should be plucked, stuffed and roasted for not taking 3/3 IFF.
If he's a stable raider then he will help cap uncapped players and allow capped player to juggle thier gear for more damage.
+hit being arguably the most important DPS stat available to a caster, denying a metric boatload of it to the raid is just daft .. never mind the crit bonus.
Also I would avoid the Egg. It's well and truly in line for the nerfbat as far as locks are concerned.
Emolate, I did, that's why I was planning to get the egg, something I would have not thought about otherwise. However, I do agree the nerfbat is likely to strike on that, as it's too overpowered at the moment. I just hope to get the trinket off Sartharion HC sometime soon.
Lominen, unfortunately, you're lolling at me. I am the gm of the guild, which is only able to raid 10 man as we just started. I might get the Moonkin to respec and get IFF, but SP is not an option, as you might understand, since we started raiding a week ago and for the moment we're not likely to attract many recruits.
@ Naforce / Dragon12. I do agree hit is the easiest stat (if not one of the most important) to raise, in order to gain a flat dps increase. However, getting the 3% off a moonking or SP would be better in my eyes, than just gem for hit or the likes...also having a stable moonkin in raid might even allow me to respec and get points off hit capping talents for more dps ones.
Last edited by Silentuviel : 01/09/09 at 12:52 PM.
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Lominen, unfortunately, you're lolling at me. I am the gm of the guild, which is only able to raid 10 man as we just started. I might get the Moonkin to respec and get IFF, but SP is not an option, as you might understand, since we started raiding a week ago and for the moment we're not likely to attract many recruits.
My apologies, rereading it, I realize it may have sound a bit harsh. However being GM (and raidleader?) with just one boomkin and no shadowpriest in guild, this shouldnt even be a question. If you just started raiding, I assume your gear is a result of that, so you will most likely be lacking hit even more than a guild who has been at it for a month. Its gonna make a really really big impact on your dps and tbh. druids already stick so much points into Balance that it shouldnt be an issue to obtain.
No offence taken, my point was more to highlight the fact that we are not attractive toward new recruits, and decently geared ones.
To recap, and make all this reply condense into a sort of to-do list:
- acquire more gear and/or get IFF or Misery in the raid
- Forget about the egg cause it's about to be nerfed.
- Learn to use DS when the boss' hp goes below 25%
- Fix your DoT uptime and especially, make sure Haunt is always refreshed.
- Use a doomguard whenever possible, and infernal on the last minute to have another nice dps increase
Anything else you'd like to add or point? Thanks in advance.
"I love that sometimes we need to go to the opposite side of the world to realize assumptions that we didn't even know we had and realize that the opposite may also be true." - Derek Sivers
A WWS will probably help you more than anything in terms of feedback. The two trinkets you have atm. are a better combo than the Egg can ever give you. These two will last you quite a while.
The entire DS mechanic takes a while to figure out and make work properly, but practice is the best way to do it. Unfortunately that isnt doable on a training dummy in terms of numbers, but you can still practice. Just do like "boss will hit 25% in like 5s" thought in your head and start setting up to use it properly.
Your specc looks decent at least. But due to the complexity of the rotation its just practice that will see your numbers increase.
Looking for a bit of constructive criticism from my last naxx/patchwerk fight. I ended up finishing at 4900 dps on patchwerk, but looking at others numbers i feel i should be a bit higher.
I calculated my uptime and that sucks compared to what i would have like to seen(prefer around 90%). Roughly 84% for Ua,immo,sl. 89 % for CoA and Corr.
Here is my issue. I tweaked my affl spec from when this parse happened, and wont have another patchwerk kill until next week. My build was a bit screwed up, had 3/3 erad and 1/3 DE, also didnt have any in MC on this parse. Is it the funky build i had going that kept me under 5k or was it my uptime on Dots? Or a little of column A+B.
Open to suggestions here, to be honest I don't like affliction in its current state, but it puts up the numbers so I'm sticking with it until i can find something that is on par with it.
The biggest problem I see is your Haunt uptime is sub 50%, improving that should easily push you over 5k dps. This should be your priority debuff to refresh.
While my stats aren't horrible... they certainly arn't the best either. However, I'm just not used to being so damned low on the dmg meters. I'm hoping I can get some advice from the guru's here.
25 Naxx WWS(as affliction ... with a talent build something like thisbut I don't remember exactly what it was)
25 man Sartharion and 2 drakes WWS
I did this one with mostly aff, and then during a break, I was so pissed about my dps, I went and respec'd to my current talent tree.
Anyhow... I don't see how someone who has just a few more pieces of gear than I do can out DPS me by TWICE as much. (another loc got 4.2k on Patchwerk where I was BARELY able to squeek by 2k)
as affliction, my rotation was SB, haunt, UA, Immolate, CoA, Corruption, Siphon Life, SB or incini if MC was still up.
right now, as dest, I'm doing Trinket, CoA, Corr, Chaos Bolt, Immo, Incinerate then refresh dots.
I mind my dot timers and try to refresh them in the best order I can, but 2000 dps just ain't cutting it.
Please forgive my ignorance with this plea for help.. I'm just frustrated as all get out.
--edit-- forgot to add haunt to my aff rotation. And yes, I need to get gems and enchants done. I hope to post new numbers soon with the additions
25 Naxx WWS(as affliction ... with a talent build something like thisbut I don't remember exactly what it was)
Your Haunt uptime is around 50%, and all your other dots are around 60-70%. Immolate uptime is 56%. And there's something wrong with your DS usage as well, as it only ticked 8 times.
The most critical thing to fix would be the Haunt uptime - cast it whenever it's off cooldown if you have to, that's certainly better than letting it fall off for so long.
I've been an affliction lock for quite some time, but my dps is so low that I'm going to start getting passed over for raiding
I've been running heroics alot, our guild is doing 10-man Naxx with the intent to go 25-man. I've spent hours reading here and other sites to try and figure it out, to no avail.
I've collected a combination of badge gear and heroic drops, trying to focus on raising my hit points.
My current stats are:
Damage 1778 (with Fel Armor)
Hit 381
Crit 13.41%
Haste 236
My rotation is SB, Haunt, UA, COA, CORR, SL, Incen, refreshing as they expire.
Although the WWS on the target dummy is somewhere around 2K, in real life raids I'm around 1400
I know afflic locks are not real good with trash mobs, but when Pally's, Hunters, Mages and DK's who are comparably geared in the guild are pulling 2600-2800 total dps, (and I'm 1400) you can see why I'm concerned!
On trash I try to dot with COA and CORR then SB them down, dotting multiple targets before SBing.
Questions:
Anything fundamentally wrong with my rotation, talent spec, gear?
Should I consider a different spec until I have better gear?
Is help coming in the next patch that will benefit me?
Should I roll a Death Knight?
I realize this is my first post and I apologize if I'm asking too many questions, but I've done alot of reading and still can't figure this out!
I've been an affliction lock for quite some time....but my dps is so low that I'm going to start getting passed over for raiding
I've been running heroics alot, our guild is doing 10-man Naxx with the intent to go 25-man. I've spent hours reading here and other sites to try and figure it out, to no avail.
I've collected a combination of badge gear and heroic drops, trying to focus on raising my hit points.
My current stats are:
Damage 1778 (with Fel Armor)
Hit 381
Crit 13.41%
Haste 236
Here is my armory link:
Here is a WWS link against the test dummy in IF
My rotation is SB, Haunt, UA, COA, CORR, SL, Incen......refreshing as they expire....
Although the WWS on the target dummy is somewhere around 2K, in real life raids I'm around 1400
I know afflic locks are not real good with trash mobs, but when Pally's, Hunters, Mages and DK's who are comparably geared in the guild are pulling 2600-2800 total dps, (and I'm 1400) you can see why I'm concerned!
On trash I try to dot with COA and CORR then SB them down, dotting multiple targets before SBing.
Questions:
Anything fundamentally wrong with my rotation, talent spec, gear?
Should I consider a different spec until I have better gear?
Is help coming in the next patch that will benefit me?
Should I roll a Death Knight?
I realize this is my first post and I apologize if I'm asking too many questions, but I've done alot of reading and still can't figure this out!
Booptee
You have a bit too much +hit if you have boomkins/spriests in your raids. The bigger issue with your gear is your +spell power is just too low. Spellpower will up your dps quite a bit because of how well it scales for affliction.
With regards to your raid dps, do you mean 1400 overall or 1400 on boss fights? Affliction is not terribly efficient at trash dps and burstier classes will easily beat you in overall dps on account of trash. Of course if your guild really cares about trash dps you have larger issues. Looking at the WWS I don't spot any obvious problems, but 1'13" is a little too short to really get good statics on your sustained dps. A WWS of a fight such as Patchwerk would be far more useful for analysis. At your gear level you should easily be able to do well over 2k dps on a stand and nuke boss fight. If you're not breaking 2k dps on boss fights it's likely you're not doing the rotation right.
Edit: also consider using seed and RoF on trash pulls.
No Boomkin or Shadow priest in our raids. So I should be trying to get close to 17% chance for level 80's? (now at 14.52%)
I noticed in the combat log some "resisted" numbers, does the Hit rating affect that?
Yes, I meant 1400 total raid DPS, including trash.
thanks again for the help.
01/08/09, 1:48 PM
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