oldlockwam

I notice there's a lot of talk about simcraft, but no talk of RAWR -- is RAWR not accurate?

 

• Bethink

I am not so sure about any investement in Eradication beyond the first point. From my understanding of the Eradication model, I get the following:

1 point: 18% uptime
2 points: 23% uptime
3 points: 26% uptime

Obviously, the first point contributes the most.

The active Eradiction buff is worth 656 haste. With my current gear and spec, 1 point haste equals about 0.6 DPS. So, the total buff is worth about 394 DPS at a hypothetical 100% uptime. Multiplying this by the expected uptimes yields the following:

1 point: +71 DPS
2 points: +20 DPS (for a total of +91 DPS)
3 points: +12 DPS (for a total of +103 DPS)

 

Lothiron

Modifying the text file is easy enough - if you read the documentation that comes with the program itself, it's pretty thorough as to how you can change and update the raid composition text file.

 

dedmonwakeen

I'm afraid I'm barely able to keep up with modeling changes for supported classes and still make progress on bringing in new player classes.

For folks wanting quick answers with decent accuracy, Rawr and TCoM are very good tools and far more "friendly".

With SimulationCraft I was trying to solve two key problems:
(1) model multi-player asynchronous interaction
(2) model complicated event-driven mechanics

The goal was to provide a baseline against which far more "friendly" and FASTER formulation-based tools can be measured.

Once the formulation has been tweaked to be within X% of a simulated result, there really is no reason to use simulation anymore. Formulation provides a much nicer framework for both UI and data analysis.

Long-story-short: I highly doubt that a fancy UI for SimulationCraft will ever exist.

http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft

 

Lothiron

I've actually made a rather simplistic HTML form and Perl script that I run locally to update the raid_80.txt file and kick off the executable, and then display the results.

It is by no means ready for any sort of public release, but it's definitely doable.

 

Fulgurite

Nope. If you look at the RAWR thread, you will see this notice in the first post (updated yesterday):

So no one's even updated RAWR for Warlocks for 3.0, much less level 80.

 

rutiene

I don't think a fancy UI needs to ever exist. Just a simple form of text boxes would be more than sufficient for most people to find it easy to use.

But nevertheless, it is definitely usable as it is for enough of the EJ lock population that we may gain much of its benefits.

 

• Bethink

Most numbers are in line with some manual calculations I did on a spreadsheet. However, I find the scaling of spell power hard to believe for affliction.

I have broken down a recent 240 seconds Patchwerk fight and calculated the effect of adding 100 spell power manually:

Spell	Dmg	#Hit	#Crit	#Dot	Coefficient	+100 SP
Shadow Bolt (Shadow)	218549	30	16		85.71%	5314
Corruption (Shadow)	131270			78	163.20%	2122
Drain Soul (Shadow)	108809			13	857.20%	2229
Unstable Affliction (Shadow)	86771			61	120.00%	1464
Curse of Agony (Shadow)	76097			103	120.00%	1545
Immolate (Fire)	68118	6	4		20.00%	280
Immolate (Fire)	68118			44	100.00%	880
Siphon Life (Shadow)	55931			67	100.00%	670
Pandemic (Shadow)	50468	34			140.00%	4760
Shaafenn : Swing (Physical)	46907	110	22
Haunt (Shadow)	42970	12	5		42.86%	943
Shaafenn : Shadow Bite (Shadow)	22479	26	10
Extract of Necromatic Power (Shadow)	13845	8	2		0.00%	0
Lightweave Bolt (Holy)	7388	2	3		0.00%	0
Gain						20206
Time [s]						240
DPS Gain						84

This yields 0.84 DPS per point in spell power.

The calculation omits the 13% gained from one of the spell damage debuffs. Also, it omits the effect of spell power on the fel hound. But obviously, including these factors does not bring the resulting number even close to 1.4.

If there are errors or omissions in the above calculation, please feel free to point them out.

 

PSGarak

You're missing a lot of talents in those coefficient calculations. For example, the only thing you have for corruption is Empowered Corruption, while ignoring Shadow Embrace, Everlasting Affliction, Shadow Mastery, and Haunt (although I thought empowered corruption was additive, not multiplicative?).

http://sig.gamerdna.com/quizzes/INFL...erks/Garak.png

 

turturin

I think the assumption is that it is now multiplicative becuase Shadow and Flame was proven to now be multiplicative. This discussion occured in the latter pages of the WoTLK preview thread iirc. I don't recall seeing any testing done on it, though. Its really just as likely that it remains additive as it definitely was before 3.0 (based on blizzard's history of consistency or lack thereof).

 

ezet

Just did some tests, and it does indeed recalculate and adjust corruptionticks everytime it's refreshed by Haunt/Drain Life. This goes both ways, if you apply a trinketed corruption, the first haunt cast after the trinket has run out will lower the damage. Likewise the first haunt cast after you use a trinket will increase the damage of corruption.

 

heemo

I really wish we had a reliable lvl 80 spreadsheet. Sure would make a lot of this easier.

 

Nicarras

Level 80 spreadsheets are reliant on us figuring out the new equations and such, like we are trying to in this forum, first.

 

• Bethink

Thanks for hinting at this. Hmm... but even including these talents and the additional spell damage debuff only brings the gain to about 1.1 DPS per point. The underlying gear is hit capped and rather heavy on both haste and crit for affliction purposes with both values above 15% (implying that there is good gain from each point of spell damage.)

 

Styg

Raiding 10 man Naxxramas last night with 368 +hit, 14.01% on the character tooltip (upgraded legs since then and down to 367 +hit) with 3/3 Cataclysm. I still noticed partial resists on Patchwerk with Incinerate and Immolate. I would expect resists with CoA and Corruption, but not on destruction spells.

Is this because bosses have a certain amount of resistance to all spells and I should have used CoE, or am I missing something somewhere?

 

Faldrath

I'm pretty sure spell hit (hence, Cataclysm) does nothing regarding partial resists - it only matters to determine whether your spell hits the target or not.

 

• dragon12

Also, there is nothing you can do to remove those partial resists on normal bosses (ie bosses that aren't more resistant to a certain type of school) - CoE won't help you.

Stop thinking with your nuts and start thinking with the black and bitter ball of hatred buried in your chest

 

Debuff

Yep, bosses get innate resistances due to being +3 to you. You will never be able to overcome those resistances so you will always get some partial resist. As others have noted, even if you could overcome the bosses resistances it would be with spell penetration (or CoE) and not spell hit. Spell hit only affects whether the spell hits or misses* while resistances affect how much the damage registers for.


*It is possible that a spell can fully resist if the victim has enough spell resistances. However, these cases are displayed as Resist. If you see a spell fail completely then a "Resist" will indicate it was due to spell resistances while a "Miss" will indicate it was due to lack of spell hit rating.

 

fip

Incorrect, we tested this just this week in fact. Pretty simple to test that Heroic Presence has been altered to affect the entire raid. Whee, only need 1 Draenei now!

 

fip

Partial Resists are a direct result of a boss' resist value, how exactly does CoE and spell penetration not help?

 

Debuff

Because they get innate resistances as a result of being +3 to you. They don't have an actual resistance amount, they just resist some spells as if they do. This is something that was proven in the other warlock megathread. You can look through there for more details.

 

Katathia

The topic of pet hit rating has been touched upon briefly (Warlock: Simple Questions/Simple Answers) but after parsing numerous WWS reports using both the felhunter and the imp - it appears that my felhunter misses approximately 8-9% more than myself and the imp. While taking into consideration dodge, that still leaves about 4% miss that I can not account for since the pet automatically attacks from behind.

WWS All Bosses with Imp at ~11% hit
WWS All Bosses with Felhunter at ~10% hit
WWS All Bosses with Felhunter at ~11% hit

% hit listed is my personal paper-doll hit rating. I get an additional 3% from talents, 1% from Draenei and 3% from misery. Is there something else going on with the felhunter and hit rating that could account for this additional consistent 4% miss on swing damage? I could understand the pets not getting the hit from my talents but the imp seems to do just fine.

 

Bessa

Melee abilities require to meet the melee (white) hit cap, which is alot higher than the 17% required for spells, hense every Felguard/puppy miss alot more. its something you have to accept as stacking to the correct hit cap for pets, will reduce your dps overall.

 

Katathia

I was under the impression that the melee white hit cap was 9% (or 295 hit rating) for felhunters since they don't dual-wield. Since I sit at around 291 (or ~11% spell hit) I wouldn't think that this is the cause.

 

Akj

I'm repeating myself here, there isnt a single miss in the WWS reports that you linked. All of them are just dodges & parries.