Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread - Page 101

Mirerilith · 02/18/10, 10:50 AM

Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread

This post earlier in this thread showed how to get ticks showing for drainsoul. Today quartz updated with it's latest version which has this embedded by default!

Very useful if you plan to maximise your execute phase, recommend going back to quartz...

rutiene · 02/19/10, 8:54 AM

I'd still recommend going with Forte Exorciste for your ticks since Quartz does not adjust for pushback.

jibi · 02/19/10, 9:59 AM

I don't see how you can channel Drain Soul for its full duration and not lose the haunt debuff or Corr during an execute phase. You should never be able to channel Drain Soul for its full duration on execute phase if you want to do things properly.

Eiffeltower · 02/19/10, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by jibi

I don't see how you can channel Drain Soul for its full duration and not lose the haunt debuff or Corr during an execute phase. You should never be able to channel Drain Soul for its full duration on execute phase if you want to do things properly.

Unless the boss has 3 seconds left to live.

But thanks for the clarification on the DS last tick, and sry for not having read that in the bugs forum.

Aestil · 02/19/10, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by jibi

I don't see how you can channel Drain Soul for its full duration and not lose the haunt debuff or Corr during an execute phase. You should never be able to channel Drain Soul for its full duration on execute phase if you want to do things properly.

You probably will lose the haunt debuff, but if you'll notice Everlasting Affliction - Spell - World of Warcraft Drain Soul refreshes Corruption.

Shelak · 02/19/10, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by jibi

I don't see how you can channel Drain Soul for its full duration and not lose the haunt debuff or Corr during an execute phase. You should never be able to channel Drain Soul for its full duration on execute phase if you want to do things properly.

Everlasting Affliction - Spell - World of Warcraft
Tooltip does not reflect the change to shadowbolt and drainsoul resetting the timer for corruption aswell.

jibi · 02/19/10, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by Aestil

You probably will lose the haunt debuff, but if you'll notice Everlasting Affliction - Spell - World of Warcraft Drain Soul refreshes Corruption.

I know about DS refreshing Corr (it's been live for some weeks now). My point was that an efficient execute range cycle implies you never channel DS for its full duration (but for the last 3s of a fight maybe, in which case Corr has been refreshed by haunt then DS prior to DS channeling for its full duration).

Shelak · 02/19/10, 2:01 PM

Sometimes I´m forced to clip dots to get some more seconds out of drain soul. If the dots would tick for maybe 4-6 seconds longer it would help abit to prevent that. I´m not sure how to time all the dots correctly to avoid this situation if thats even possible. Either I channel drain soul for at least 3 ticks for most damage from this powerful spell and loose one dot for sure or I cancel after 1-2 ticks and reapply a dot or use a nightfall proc. I think the more haste we get, the better this situation can be handled. More haste -> more time to channel drain soul -> less problem to loose dots in the mean time.

Mystearica · 02/19/10, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Shelak

Sometimes I´m forced to clip dots to get some more seconds out of drain soul. If the dots would tick for maybe 4-6 seconds longer it would help abit to prevent that. I´m not sure how to time all the dots correctly to avoid this situation if thats even possible. Either I channel drain soul for at least 3 ticks for most damage from this powerful spell and loose one dot for sure or I cancel after 1-2 ticks and reapply a dot or use a nightfall proc. I think the more haste we get, the better this situation can be handled. More haste -> more time to channel drain soul -> less problem to loose dots in the mean time.

You treat it the same way as if it weren't in our execute range. If the cast time on UA is 1.1 & there's 1.5 left on the dot, you would cast another SB instead of clipping or waiting to refresh the dot by doing nothing. During DS you would just continue until the next tick letting the dot fall off, then recasting after the next tick. As both clipping or doing nothing to wait for the right time to refresh a dot are both dps losses.
You could also LT/DP if you need the mana & refresh the LT glyph.
Regarding Corr, there's no reason why you can't recast DS after a tick to keep corr up, as long as you let DS tick at least once. Haunt, depending on your distance from the boss, you want to cast as soon as its off CD after the next DS tick to keep SE from falling off. Assuming you haven't had a nightfall proc to refresh it.

Shelak · 02/19/10, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mystearica

You treat it the same way as if it weren't in our execute range. If the cast time on UA is 1.1 & there's 1.5 left on the dot, you would cast another SB instead of clipping or waiting to refresh the dot by doing nothing. During DS you would just continue until the next tick letting the dot fall off, then recasting after the next tick. As both clipping or doing nothing to wait for the right time to refresh a dot are both dps losses.
You could also LT/DP if you need the mana & refresh the LT glyph.
Regarding Corr, there's no reason why you can't recast DS after a tick to keep corr up, as long as you let DS tick at least once. Haunt, depending on your distance from the boss, you want to cast as soon as its off CD after the next DS tick to keep SE from falling off. Assuming you haven't had a nightfall proc to refresh it.

Thats what I´m doing. But by clipping mostly UA here and there 3-4sec before its gone helps so I can channel DS 2-3 ticks instead of 1-2. I´m working on myself not to clip and to let them run out before refreshing...

Parlique · 02/23/10, 4:48 AM

My question concerns the use of [Nevermelting Ice Crystal] with 4 pieces of T10 on a patchwerk style fight. As far as I understand (I checked it) the benefit of the 4pT10 is conserved on corruption as long you refresh it if you casted it under its buff. So ideally, the best option would be to wait for the proc of the T10 then use [Nevermelting Ice Crystal] and benefit from +20% crit and +10% damage.
The problem being that most of the time I can't overwrite corruption (I believe that the spellpower at the time you launch must be superior to the spellpower of the initial cast), it's the same problem as when you try to put a rank 10 spell with a rank 9 I think.

The 4pT10 buff lasts fot 10 seconds while my corruption is on 13-14 seconds timer, which make it hard for me to use if I have to wait the end of it.

How does people with 4pT10 adress the problem ?

Kilroggmama · 02/23/10, 5:05 AM

Originally Posted by Parlique

The problem being that most of the time I can't overwrite corruption (I believe that the spellpower at the time you launch must be superior to the spellpower of the initial cast), it's the same problem as when you try to put a rank 10 spell with a rank 9 I think.

The 4pT10 buff lasts fot 10 seconds while my corruption is on 13-14 seconds timer, which make it hard for me to use if I have to wait the end of it.

How does people with 4pT10 adress the problem ?

You apply all your DoTs, including Corruption as usual. As soon as you get the 4pT10 proc, you pop (potion and) NIC and try Corruption. If Corruption can't overwrite, cast a Seed of Corruption, then re-apply Corruption.

jibi · 02/23/10, 5:57 AM

Originally Posted by Kilroggmama

you pop (potion and) NIC and try Corruption

Should we not use a wild magic pot during BL/Heroïsm rather than on NMIC use? I'd say it gives a better DPS to do so, I'll have to sim it/confirm it with live testings though.

edit: that is assuming you're trying to use NMIC on 4pt10 procs, of course.

thetrueavatar · 02/23/10, 6:52 AM

You can try to do both. Use a potion before pull and you'll be able to use a second one during bl. The only risk is that 4pT10 didn't proc before the first potion buff ends.

Burberri · 02/23/10, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Kilroggmama

You apply all your DoTs, including Corruption as usual. As soon as you get the 4pT10 proc, you pop (potion and) NIC and try Corruption. If Corruption can't overwrite, cast a Seed of Corruption, then re-apply Corruption.

I like to start with corruption on fights where I am going to use NMIC to juice it. That way I know its spell power is low since I have 0 stacks of muridan's, and lightweave/AV ring haven't proc'd. It removes the need to SoC. That however, is not true if you are doing a refresh sub 35% to get the extra 12%. You might need to SoC at that point.

EDIT: I might add that outside of Festergut, Rotface, and blood queen I find NMIC to be more trouble than its worth.