Elitist Jerks Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread

 12/19/08, 9:03 AM #181 rutiene Piston Honda   Luxury Blood Elf Warlock   Deathwing I'm sorry but I didn't understand your math at all. 30,875 spell power? I don't even think you have that much spell power to lose. Either way, I woke up this morning realizing that I did the calculation for MC increase in damage wrong. So I re-did it, and it came out that (3/3) Cataclysm is better than (2/3) MC. But point by point, MC is higher DPS than Cataclysm. So, the point I'm trying to make is that hit capping your destruction spells with Cata, when your affliction spell are hit capped by Suppression, by taking points in Cataclysm over MC is less DPS overall for you. That means that there's no change in your gearing, since gemming for hit has been shown to be less DPS. And going over hit cap in affliction is also a waste in talent points. (aka. if you hitcap yourself with gems in affliction, then those 3 points in Suppression should be going to some other DPS increasing talents which would make these calculations more complicated than necessary.) So we're doing a pure talent to talent comparison. Let's take my WWS report from Patchwerks where I was hitcapped with Affliction but had a 97% hitrate with Destruction: Wow Web Stats DPS Lost I had a 2.1% miss rate with Shadowbolt (or 1 missed hit) and 6.7% miss rate with Immolate (or 1 missed hit). On average my Shadowbolt will hit for: Average hit * (1-crit rate) + Average crit * crit rate = 4541*.62 + 9186*.36 = 6122.38 Assuming that when I miss Immolate, I'm missing 1.5s of filler. Therefore, total damage lost is: 6122.38 [lost SB] + 6122.38*(1.5/2.5) [lost filler time] = 9795.808 damage or 9795.808 damage/3min 57s = 41.33 dps or 13.77dps per point DPS Gained Next, let's look at the DPS gained via MC. By going into the log and filtering it to see my MC refreshes (since they don't count as buff gained in the buff tab), I can calculate my MC uptime: Wow Web Stats) It shows me that MC was down between: 02:08'16.750->02:08'35.218 = 18.468s 02:09'36.437->02:09'42.297 = 4.86s 02:09'58.453->02:10'08.640 = 10.187s 02:10'18.640->02:10'38.234 = 19.594 02:10'52.281->02:10'59.484 = 7.203s Death occured less than 10s after the last refresh. Total MC-down time= 60.312s Total MC-up time = 237s-60.312s = 176.688 OR 176.688/237 = 74.55% up time So we're going to simplify this and make the assumption that this up time will give us 75% of all direct damage with MC and 75% of all DoT ticks with MC (so MC is distrubuted evenly with all DoT ticks and Direct Damage hits and criticals.) So, let x = the total damage of Immolate without MC. x*1.1*.7455 + x*(1-.7455) = 112855 .82005*x + .2545*x = 112855 1.07455*x = 112855 x = 105025.35 Therefore, total damage increase by MC is: .1*.7455*105025.35 = 7829 OR 7829/237 = 33.03 dps or 16.515dps per point Now, the problem with this is the fact that the 3rd point of MC would at most cap out MC uptime (so it would do less than the previous two points.) So lets assume that we have 100% MC uptime with 3/3, then the MC damage increase would be: 105025.35 (x) * .1 = 10502.535 or 44dps or 14.77dps per point on average. Therefore, 1 point in MC is 1dps more than 1 point in Cataclysm. (A trivial difference really.) Now I have a question. I take 2/3 MC because that's all my spec allows for, since I take 2/3 Eradication. Is the 2nd Eradication point more DPS than the 3rd point of MC? Last edited by rutiene : 12/19/08 at 9:24 AM.
 12/19/08, 9:14 AM #182 Mindaika Piston Honda     Macemoose Tauren Death Knight   Frostwolf [quote=rutiene;1022290]I'm sorry but I didn't understand your math at all. 30,875 spell power? I don't even think you have that much spell power to lose. Either way, I woke up this morning realizing that I did the calculation for MC increase in damage wrong. So I re-did it, and it came out that (3/3) Cataclysm is better than (2/3) MC. But point by point, MC is higher DPS than Cataclysm. /QUOTE] It's a European custom: 30,785 == 30.785 But yeah, I read that as "30 thousand SP" too at first glance.
12/19/08, 9:47 AM   #183
Emolate
Bald Bull

Goblin Warlock

Mal'Ganis
 Originally Posted by rutiene Now I have a question. I take 2/3 MC because that's all my spec allows for, since I take 2/3 Eradication. Is the 2nd Eradication point more DPS than the 3rd point of MC?
Yes. At least it has been every time I've run Simulation Craft and the spreadsheet with my data.

Last edited by Emolate : 12/19/08 at 9:59 AM. Reason: snark

 Originally Posted by Zeln I'm pretty sure the only reason you're on this planet is the phone rang and startled your dad.

 12/20/08, 3:03 AM #184 Nnayr Von Kaiser   Nnayr Undead Warlock   Spinebreaker Not sure if it's been discussed but why is pandemic only triggering 1 damage on the heroic test dummies?
12/20/08, 6:42 AM   #185
DiamondTear
Don Flamenco

 Originally Posted by Nnayr Not sure if it's been discussed but why is pandemic only triggering 1 damage on the heroic test dummies?
Maybe the bug thread would be a better place to discuss that.

On metagems, I think it would be worth mentioning that [Ember Skyflare Diamond] requires 3 red gems, while the other spelldmg gems have worse requirements. Using this gem will give you the most freedom to get the best regular gems. You could also mention that [Purified Twilight Opal] isn't in the game yet.

12/20/08, 8:25 AM   #186
rutiene
Piston Honda

Blood Elf Warlock

Deathwing
 Originally Posted by Nnayr Not sure if it's been discussed but why is pandemic only triggering 1 damage on the heroic test dummies?
If you look at your combat log, technically you're only doing 1 damage per hit to the target dummy no matter what spell/skill you use. Since pandemic does 100% of the tick it procs off of, it only does 1 damage as well.

12/22/08, 4:24 PM   #188
turturin
Don Flamenco

Orc Warlock

Kilrogg
 Originally Posted by rutiene If you look at your combat log, technically you're only doing 1 damage per hit to the target dummy no matter what spell/skill you use. Since pandemic does 100% of the tick it procs off of, it only does 1 damage as well.
To add to this, don't report this behavior as a bug. Blizzard has said that target dummies are "working as intended", so you can expect this behavior to remain. Sorry I don't have a an actual blue post to quote, its been a while (iirc they addressed this on the PTR forum in advance of the WoTLK launch).

 12/22/08, 5:27 PM #189 Alithia Glass Joe   AlĂ®thia Undead Warlock   Khaz'goroth (EU) Hi guys, don't want to bother you with this question, but what would be your dreamgear for the 55/0/16 "1 hit spec". I still cannot decide on my "dreamgear", every day I could change little thing. Where do you get your hit from? Dying curse, Malygos-10 robe, Gothik-10-ring? I know, this seems like a lazy question, but the devil is in the detail and help will be appreciated a lot.
12/22/08, 7:59 PM   #190
imtsensational
Glass Joe

Human Warlock

Dragonmaw
 Originally Posted by Alithia Hi guys, don't want to bother you with this question, but what would be your dreamgear for the 55/0/16 "1 hit spec". I still cannot decide on my "dreamgear", every day I could change little thing. Where do you get your hit from? Dying curse, Malygos-10 robe, Gothik-10-ring? I know, this seems like a lazy question, but the devil is in the detail and help will be appreciated a lot.

There is a program called Rawr that can help you play dress-up. It's what I use to look at how my stats change with upgrades. link: Rawr The warlock module is not complete yet, but it helps me hone in on a gear combo that benefits me most.

Last edited by imtsensational : 12/23/08 at 5:52 AM.

12/23/08, 2:05 AM   #191
Cohren
Von Kaiser

Gnome Warlock

Antonidas
 Originally Posted by imtsensational Dream Gear is...a dream :P But, there are tools to help you choose upgrades as you work toward your ideal set. There is a program called Rawr that can help you play dress-up. It's what I use to look at how my stats change with upgrades. link: Rawr The warlock module is not complete yet, but it helps me hone in on a gear combo that benefits me most. Also see: http://elitistjerks.com/998449-post269.html
I don't think that post you linked is accurate anymore. I think the general consensus is leaning towards 2 pieces of T7 and the rest filled in with the best in slot off set pieces.

12/23/08, 5:55 AM   #192
imtsensational
Glass Joe

Human Warlock

Dragonmaw
 Originally Posted by Cohren I don't think that post you linked is accurate anymore. I think the general consensus is leaning towards 2 pieces of T7 and the rest filled in with the best in slot off set pieces.
How did I miss that discussion?! Time to back-track...

 12/23/08, 12:00 PM #193 Cohren Von Kaiser   Cohren Gnome Warlock   Antonidas It's on this topic, Value of 4pT7
 12/23/08, 2:11 PM #194 DiamondTear Don Flamenco     Diamondtear Blood Elf Paladin   Lightning's Blade (EU) I'm not sure whether 4pc is included in the perfect set, but I don't think that thread came to a conclusion. I consider "dream gear" lists to be pointless anyway, only important question is "what can I get for the fight my guild is currently wiping on?".
12/23/08, 2:55 PM   #195
turturin
Don Flamenco

Orc Warlock

Kilrogg
 Originally Posted by DiamondTear I'm not sure whether 4pc is included in the perfect set, but I don't think that thread came to a conclusion. I consider "dream gear" lists to be pointless anyway, only important question is "what can I get for the fight my guild is currently wiping on?".
Best in slot gear lists don't really matter until we reach the top level of gear. It's more interesting imo to discuss the pieces of gear that "seem OP for T7" and we might expect to last well beyond the current tier.

Taken from this view, I'm only really expecting the 25-man trinkets and the ilevel 226 cape from Sarth (with 2 or more drakes) to serve in that capacity. The turning tide off heroic KT may also last well into T8.

I guess my point is I'm not really worried about absolute best in slot for any of the armor slots...my goal being to find a well-itemized ilvl 200 piece or pretty much any ilvl 213 piece and be done with it. Where I'm really trying to be selective are the trinket and weapon slots.

 Elitist Jerks Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread