DG summons no longer kill anyone.. they do however do a bit of damage to one of the summoners not loads but a bit.
It takes 5 people to click on the altar to summon a DG.
Doing this *during* a fight would be sheer lunacy and as such can only be done in a preparation for a boss fight before the pull.
He no longer requires enslaving after the summon either and after 15 mins of use simply dissapears.

In short. yes it is very worth summoning him on certain fights if you are affliction specced.

For FG specs the fg is still stronger and needed for your buffs.

Destro.. im just not sure. Personally i feel it would be a waste of imp talents.
Perhaps if you have DS in the build.. it might be worth sacking the imp and summoning one .. but I have seen no numbers on the subject of Destro / DG viability.

No deep Destruction-spec includes DS (but rather goes for Chaos Bolt) so that discussion is out. Also, personally I never summon a DG as Destruction considering how much talents is spent for the Imp (Imp. Imp, Emp. Imp, DP, not to mention the glyph) and the fact that it even buffs you if it crits. Someone is very welcome to do some serious testing though, but I highly doubt it's worth it in the long run. Infernal on the last minute is still very good.

Thank you for this! I'll have to try out the doomguard on our next naxx run. I wish the tooltip was a bit better worded so it was clearer that all the person in the grp takes is a HP hit and not death anymore.

I considered PMing this, but I think it's important for us all to know: How did you get your Doomguard to show up as yours on WWS? Did they fix this, or is there some trick?

Just copy&paste a SPELL_SUMMON line (e.g. from Summon Felhunter) and replace the Pet UID/Name with the one of your Doomguard (see here).

- I use Sundial over Embrace, Leulier's Spreadsheet ranks it 11dps on top; for further information see Trinket Discussion.
- Maybe just your Sundial of the Exiled procced during different DS-Casts.
- Please post on WWS Help Analysis next time.

I'm working on improving my dot uptime and was wondering at what point do peopel usually start recasting. For example, if it takes 1.3s to cast a spell and 1 sec for it to hit, do you start recasting when the spell has 2.3sec left? Also, ss there an addon that can be used to track how long it takes between the time you cast a spell and the time it hits?

Is it just me, or are you counting the moonkin aura twice? You have the base chance to crit here increased by 5% with buffs, yet you add in the moonkin 5% buff again later in your DPCT calculations.

And I mention this, because it makes it look like immolate should be cast below 25% when it really shouldn't. If you adjust your DPCT for immolate and remove the extra 5% crit, the DPCT falls to roughly 150 more than drain soul. But what's not factored in to your calculations is that immolate does not affect soul siphon, and with the mechanics of having to refresh dots along with using a 3 second base tick channel filler spell, immolate becomes more of a dps loss than a help at that point.

I recommend to locks in my guides and in forum posts that they drop immolate below 25% for the above reasons. The DPCT is much closer than what you calculated due to the 5% crit error.

Also, I see you're using a 90% uptime for molten core, so I have to ask what spec you're using? The top dps specs will not have more than 1 point in molten core, which would be closer to a 68% uptime. This is also artificially inflating the number to favor immolate. Factor that in, and I'm willing to bet the DPCT comes almost even with drain soul.

Unfortunately, it is not just you :-)

You are right about the double moonkin stuff, changed it now, thx.

It did not affect Immolate's damage very much as most of its damage comes from the dot. (Even more when you glyph it, and most people do).
I'm still convinced that Immolate is not wasted below 25%. It has higher dpct. The dots have higher dpct, too, so you do not reapply them for soul siphon, you reapply them for damage. Of course it will cost you DS uptime, but DS is still just a filler and has fewer dpct than every other spell but SB.

Edit: Of course, if you spec one point less into MC or do not equip the Immolate glyph, you are right.

Are the gloves of token respect completely off the hand armor list for a reason? I can't believe new calculations have dropped them below 10th best, despite the lack of hit.

The gloves are on the list at #4 and #9 respectively ...

Edit: misread previous post

When reviewing the specs on the first post of this thread, I have a question about the one labeled highest dps (besides it not being in English). Does having full points into Fel Concentration grant a dps increase over 1 point into Amplify Curse?

I'm sorry, but you've misunderstood me. I was not asking about the 'token' gloves (meaning the Valorous and Heroes' Plagueheart), but the [Gloves of Token Respect].

The thing about Amplify Curse is it's such a minor dps increase that realistically the push back resistance on Drain Soul is more valuable. Also the more haste you have the less valuable Amplify Curse becomes and it does virtually nothing when bloodlust and/or eradication are up.

The short answer is no, not really. Amplify Curse is slightly better dps until your haste hits a point your gcd is 1 second to begin with. The long answer is push back resistance on Drain Soul may be better dps in some situations.

Thank you!

I'm not sure that pushback resistance does help much on drain soul, unless you're trying to maximize a temporary haste effect like a potion. However, it will help with maintaining a smoother rotation on fights with random raid damage that can affect shadowbolt/haunt/ua/immo. I think the overall point is that Amplify Curse has decreasing value with increasing haste.

From the OP:

"So, your initial cast rotation will look like this:

Shadow bolt > Haunt > UA > Immolate > CoA > Corruption > Siphon Life"

Given that UA and Immolate are two of our lower DPCT spells, why are we casting them before our "better" DoTs? In addition, using the initial rotation given above I am running into a point a little way into a fight (if I have been casting uninterrupted) where all of my DoTs as well as Haunt are falling off almost simultaneously and therefore there is a delay in reapplying some of them, decreasing my damage output a bit. And I can think of at least a couple other reasons to cast the instant-cast DoTs first (higher chance for our first Immolate to have MC up)

So my question is.. is that initial rotation really the best available? Is there any reason not to use, say, CoA > Corr > SL > UA > Immolate?

I try to focus on casting a spell in which it has a cast time followed up by an instant cast dot.

My rotation looks like this:

Shadow Bolt > Haunt > Corruption > Immolate > CoA > UA > Siphon Life

should you reapply all of your dots if say sundial and dying curse proc?

Wouldn't you want to keep UA and Immo together due to the same duration?

And your initial rotation isn't going to matter as much as it many are imagining. Many seem to have the misconception that the highest DPCT spells should be casted first, where it is the highest DPS spells that should be. DPCT is only an accurate measure of comparing a DoT to a filler.

It always seems to change somewhat based on the pull of each fight. For example with Gluth, I cast my instants while I run in with the tank, and then start with SB > Haunt > UA > Immolate, where on Patchwerk I would start off with a shadow bolt then haunt, followed by UA > Immolate > CoA > Corr > SL

Maybe I am missing a post but I can't find it, I consistently see people referring to a "best in slot" gear list. I would love to see this list. Can someone toss me a link or point me in the right direction? Thanks.