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Old 02/07/09, 1:04 AM   #551
supplicium
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Gnome Warlock
 
Alterac Mountains
For all that were wondering I wanted to point out something on that threat issue brought up a few pages ago.

We tried using Wow Meter online tonight, And it has a threat section which recognized SL as a threat source for both healing and damage.

take a look WoW Meter Online

Also note the large amount of threat from lifetap. Now it's not a lot of threat, but it's extra threat none the less.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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Old 02/07/09, 1:19 AM   #552
pittgilman
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Human Warlock
 
Stormreaver
Threat is a huge issue for me right now especially on the obvious fights (KT, Maly, Saph). I hate to sac 2 points in imp DS but it is tempting. Even with those 2 points I am still threat capped it just allows me a bit more freedom. I was not aware of the threat generated from healing off of SL...that is insane.

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Old 02/07/09, 4:25 PM   #553
Villeraz
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Undead Warlock
 
Greymane
Originally Posted by supplicium View Post
For all that were wondering I wanted to point out something on that threat issue brought up a few pages ago.

We tried using Wow Meter online tonight, And it has a threat section which recognized SL as a threat source for both healing and damage.

take a look WoW Meter Online

Also note the large amount of threat from lifetap. Now it's not a lot of threat, but it's extra threat none the less.
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The threat that is described there is calculated from the health and mana gains that you actually had, and are not actually present in-game. Tested using threat meters in game, life tap and siphon life do not generate any mana gain or health gain threat whatsoever. The effect from the 4-piece T7 set does generate a tiny amount of buff threat when lifetapping, and siphon life does generate a little bit of threat on application, however.

In other words, the combat log data was used to extrapolate threat by assuming that healing from siphon life and mana gains from life tap generate threat in that report, but they do not actually do so if tested in the game.


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Old 02/07/09, 5:02 PM   #554
supplicium
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Gnome Warlock
 
Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by Villeraz View Post
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The threat that is described there is calculated from the health and mana gains that you actually had, and are not actually present in-game. Tested using threat meters in game, life tap and siphon life do not generate any mana gain or health gain threat whatsoever. The effect from the 4-piece T7 set does generate a tiny amount of buff threat when lifetapping, and siphon life does generate a little bit of threat on application, however.

In other words, the combat log data was used to extrapolate threat by assuming that healing from siphon life and mana gains from life tap generate threat in that report, but they do not actually do so if tested in the game.
When did the LT threat change happen, I just took that as an assumed thing since it had always been there. And I figured the threat data was logged some where. Thanks for clearing that up in both threads villeraz, I'll have to look at this on my own.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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Old 02/07/09, 7:00 PM   #555
Trickykid
Don Flamenco
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by supplicium View Post
When did the LT threat change happen, I just took that as an assumed thing since it had always been there. And I figured the threat data was logged some where. Thanks for clearing that up in both threads villeraz, I'll have to look at this on my own.
It has never created threat.

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Old 02/07/09, 7:01 PM   #556
Fatsummoner
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis
Ok i need some opinions here. My dps is around 4500 on bosses. Didn't get to do patchwerk on 25man though. My gear setup is whats up for question right now. I have 2-piece T7 right now, and enough in my bags to get 4-set and keep hit-cap. Without the 4-set i have 2020 spell-power w/out fel-armor. I can't decide whether i should keep the 4-set and lose the spellpower, or the opposite.

The World of Warcraft Armory
Current Raid Setup.

I'm also having an issue hitting the 5k dps cap, any advice would be appreciated.

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Old 02/07/09, 8:35 PM   #557
Krathis
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Undead Warlock
 
Cenarion Circle
Originally Posted by Fatsummoner View Post
I'm also having an issue hitting the 5k dps cap, any advice would be appreciated.
Something that seemed to improve my dps a lot was to quit being so anal about haunt. This sounds counter-intuitive but I'm not saying I don't prioritize it, but I've tried to cut way down on overlap. This has created some dot gap in haunt but overall it's very minor, I might lose one tick between applications on one out of five haunt casts but I'm gaining a lot more filler time.

My ten man patchwork dps last night was 100 dps higher then my twenty five man patchwork two weeks ago with zero gear improvements, far fewer raid buffs (fewer buffs for the doomguard and only my own CoE and improved scorch for caster buffs), and being on curse duty instead of CoA.

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Old 02/07/09, 11:54 PM   #558
tkoreaper
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Shu'halo
Originally Posted by pittgilman View Post
I figured that if you are specd into 3/3 suppresion and 3/3 cataclysm and are always in a raid setting with the 4% this would be the best gear set-up: chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x
I was thinking something more along these lines... chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

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Old 02/08/09, 12:48 AM   #559
dahcleavah
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Tauren Warrior
 
Uldum
Would it be more beneficial to spec 3/3 suppression and 3/3 cataclysm (with no assumption of draenei in raid) then use a gear set with 3% less hit possibly?

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Old 02/08/09, 8:13 AM   #560
phulshof
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Human Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Tailoring:
Tailors can enchant their cloaks with Lightweave Embroidery. Unfortately, this removes the possibility of a Haste Enchant. The proc can crit and scales with your crit rating, but it is just like with [Extract of Necromantic Power]: The Effect might look nice, but just does not give enough dps. (about 40 dps, depending on your crit rate, but you lose 23 haste rating).
I would think that 40 DPS (which sounds about right for the lightweave embroidery) still beats 23 haste rating or am I missing something here?

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Old 02/08/09, 8:34 AM   #561
Nachtschaduw
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Undead Warlock
 
Draenor (EU)
Lightweave only procs on direct damage that alone makes me dislike it quite a bit, next to that it's more of a pvp enchant, I rather take my constant dps upgrade.

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Old 02/08/09, 11:08 AM   #562
phulshof
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Human Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Originally Posted by Nachtschaduw View Post
Lightweave only procs on direct damage that alone makes me dislike it quite a bit, next to that it's more of a pvp enchant, I rather take my constant dps upgrade.
I'm not sure I understand: what makes it a pvp enchant? As said: it seems to deal about 40 DPS for me (according to recount), which IMHO is not too bad for a cloak enchant. It beats the alternatives as far as I can see.

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Old 02/08/09, 11:51 AM   #563
pittgilman
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Human Warlock
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by tkoreaper View Post
I was thinking something more along these lines... chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x
While I agree that most of the items you have listed are best in slot I personally hate the idea of gemming for hit.

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Old 02/08/09, 3:59 PM   #564
DiamondTear
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Lightning's Blade (EU)
On the last pages multiple people have recommended having 14% hit.

I'd say not having a shadowpriest or a moonkin in the raid is rare. It has also been shown previously that spell hit isn't as great of a stat as it used to be in TBC and that spellpower is as good as hit when you take the itemisation cost into account.

I would recommend going for 11% hit unless your guild just doesn't have either of the aforementioned classes raiding

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Old 02/08/09, 4:01 PM   #565
Aeji
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by phulshof View Post
I'm not sure I understand: what makes it a pvp enchant? As said: it seems to deal about 40 DPS for me (according to recount), which IMHO is not too bad for a cloak enchant. It beats the alternatives as far as I can see.
Debately, if you're comparing it to +23 haste to cloak. However you should be comparing it to Enchanting, Jewelcrafting, etc., which give you a solid boost to spell power in addition to the +haste to cloak that you can get in tandem with those professions.

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Old 02/09/09, 1:11 AM   #566
pittgilman
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Human Warlock
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by DiamondTear View Post
On the last pages multiple people have recommended having 14% hit.

I'd say not having a shadowpriest or a moonkin in the raid is rare. It has also been shown previously that spell hit isn't as great of a stat as it used to be in TBC and that spellpower is as good as hit when you take the itemisation cost into account.

I would recommend going for 11% hit unless your guild just doesn't have either of the aforementioned classes raiding
agreed, tho I aim for 10% hit. I also rarely do 10mans, if I do I use a hit pot and a few of the hit peices I have in the bank. I have never been in a raid without the 4% hit.

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Old 02/09/09, 2:11 AM   #567
Flatlock
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Goblin Shaman
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Originally Posted by tkoreaper View Post
I was thinking something more along these lines... chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

Ur setup seems to favourize crit before haste which im pretty sure is wrong considering our previous statvalues.

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Old 02/09/09, 3:42 AM   #568
phulshof
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Human Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Originally Posted by Aeji View Post
Debately, if you're comparing it to +23 haste to cloak. However you should be comparing it to Enchanting, Jewelcrafting, etc., which give you a solid boost to spell power in addition to the +haste to cloak that you can get in tandem with those professions.
IMHO, choice of profession should not stop this from being at the top of the enhancement list for cloaks, just like Master's Inscription of the Storm is at the top of the shoulder enhancements.

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Old 02/09/09, 4:40 AM   #569
Namnalia
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Human Warlock
 
Blackmoore (EU)
Tried to clarify the Tailoring issue:

"about 40 dps, depending on your crit rate, but you lose 23 haste rating (14/19 dps). So the profession gives 20-25 dps which is definitely less than 39 spell power".

First of all, as an affliction warlock it probably won't even give 40 dps as your crit rate is too low. However, that is not easy to judge, lets assume it gives 40 dps. Then it has to be compared with 23 haste rating, giving 14/19 dps. Even with starter gear, that is only +26 dps, while the "normal" 38 spell power from other professions would give 43/48 dps. So, Tailoring is just worse than Jewelcrafting, Enchanting and so on. It's not a bad profession, but it's not the best one.

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Old 02/09/09, 5:11 AM   #570
phulshof
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Human Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Originally Posted by Namnalia View Post
Tried to clarify the Tailoring issue:

"about 40 dps, depending on your crit rate, but you lose 23 haste rating (14/19 dps). So the profession gives 20-25 dps which is definitely less than 39 spell power".

First of all, as an affliction warlock it probably won't even give 40 dps as your crit rate is too low. However, that is not easy to judge, lets assume it gives 40 dps. Then it has to be compared with 23 haste rating, giving 14/19 dps. Even with starter gear, that is only +26 dps, while the "normal" 38 spell power from other professions would give 43/48 dps. So, Tailoring is just worse than Jewelcrafting, Enchanting and so on. It's not a bad profession, but it's not the best one.
I agree that tailoring may not be the smartest profession to take, but if you look at the equipment list, each piece lists the best enhancements for that location independent of wether or not one has a certain profession. It is in that regards that I think the embroidery should be at the top of the list of the cloak enhancements, rather than being absent as it currently is.

As for the 40 DPS: that's what I get on average in boss fights out of recount with my current gear.

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Old 02/09/09, 5:37 AM   #571
Gyojin
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Orc Warlock
 
Ghostlands (EU)
Another warlock with dps problems....

Hi all,

My post is about my dps. Before I start telling what my problem is I will tell some more about the stats etc of my warlock.

I am an Affliction warlock with 54/0/17 build. My gear set up is this:

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...lands&n=Gyojin

My Glyphs are: Glyph of Syphon Life, Glyph of Immolate, Glyph of Curse of Agony.

As for the rotation I use: SB > Haunt > Unstable Affliction > Immolate > Corruption > Curse of Agony > Siphon Life > Filler Time
And I try heavily to keep up the dots. Also when the boss is at 25% or lower I drop Immolate and instead of using SB as filler I use Drain Soul.

Well thats it I think about my warlock stats.

The problem I have is making me slightly depressed now. The last encounters with patchwork I had about 3.1k dps. Another affliction warlock in my guild with a bit less good gear almost caught up with my dps and thats not right. I even had my Doomguard out on Patchwork when I had 3.1k dps on him. And ofcourse I use my Spellstone.

Also for the last few days I spend about 1/2 hours on a Heroic Training Dummy. And my average dps on a dummy is about 2.9k :S.

I really dont get why my dps is so low. I hope to get some help here for I am doubting about stopping affliction and going destruction again but I really dont want that tbh.

Greeets Gyojin

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Old 02/09/09, 6:09 AM   #572
phulshof
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Human Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Originally Posted by Gyojin View Post
My post is about my dps. Before I start telling what my problem is I will tell some more about the stats etc of my warlock.
The problem I have is making me slightly depressed now. The last encounters with patchwork I had about 3.1k dps.
Also for the last few days I spend about 1/2 hours on a Heroic Training Dummy. And my average dps on a dummy is about 2.9k :S.
This puzzles me quite a bit. If you can hit 2.9K on a dummy, then 3.1K on Patch is indeed way too low. Either you had some serious problems during Patch, or the rest of your raid is sound asleep. My stats are nowhere near yours, I hit maybe 2.5K on a dummy (been a few weeks since I tried), but about 4.1K on Patch (with fellpuppy). You wouldn't happen to have a combat log of that fight would you? Did you perhaps die right before the Patch fight, and they forgot to rebuff you?

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Old 02/09/09, 6:15 AM   #573
Gyojin
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Ghostlands (EU)
Yeah thats what puzzles me too tbh. I had raid buffs and everyone was focused. Unfortunatly I dont have a log of it because I still have to find out how to get that. When I try it on a dummy and look at the Recount Graph I have some major downs and ups in dps. Reaching to 3600 and falling to like 2100 =/. I dont know if its my gear or casting speed etc.

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Old 02/09/09, 6:29 AM   #574
phulshof
Von Kaiser
 
Human Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Originally Posted by Gyojin View Post
Yeah thats what puzzles me too tbh. I had raid buffs and everyone was focused. Unfortunatly I dont have a log of it because I still have to find out how to get that. When I try it on a dummy and look at the Recount Graph I have some major downs and ups in dps. Reaching to 3600 and falling to like 2100 =/. I dont know if its my gear or casting speed etc.
Well, statwise I can't see a reason for you not to be doing well; you're several big steps ahead of me with your equipment. I used to hit 3.2K back when my SP was still around 1500 and my haste rating almost non-existent. Next time you're there, see if someone in your party can run the logs so you can post them for analysis here. I certainly wouldn't see this as a reason to give up on affliction.

I bought myself a toy a few weeks ago, and it has helped me tremendously in my rotation. It's not for the small handed person perhaps, but I couldn't imagine playing without it anymore.

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Old 02/09/09, 7:05 AM   #575
Gyojin
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Orc Warlock
 
Ghostlands (EU)
Yeah maybe I should just look on google on how to to the WWS thing. Next Patchwork fight is prob on Thursday so I have to wait.
And you toy is a G15 keyboard or something like that? :P not that i use it but a friend does.

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