Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread - Page 41

Trickykid · 02/10/09, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by pittgilman

As an alchemist you get about 62 xtra dmg from the flask and the flask lasts for 4 hours. That is a whole naxx run with only the use of 1 flask and the 62 dmg easily makes it the strongest buff from any proff.

As far as I've read/heard, mixology adds 37 spell power to the normal flask, not 62. Where are you getting the extra 25 from?

pittgilman · 02/10/09, 3:04 PM

I was always under the assumption that is was a 50% increase which would make it 62.5. I just read up on it some more and it seems that it is not always a 50% increase, still can't find a solid answer, a few people saying it is 50% and some saying it is only about 25%. I apologize.

Rhad · 02/10/09, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by Namnalia

@rhad Yes, that is included - only one quarter of the filler time is actually filled with drain soul in the model, the rest of it is shadow bolt.

As you state, this makes SS incredibly strong. Even if you're the solo warlock in your raid, the DPS gain is 62.98 (1 point) and 75.58 (2 points). I came up with these numbers by dividing the DPS you list by 12 (1 point) and 15 (2 points), thereby obtaining the DPS per DoT value, and then multiplying that by 6 (the max # of SS related DoTs a single affliction warlock can have up).

turturin · 02/10/09, 4:40 PM

Originally Posted by pittgilman

As far as professions go I see JC being the most appealing since it gives +39 spell dmg (if you are replacing 19 dmg gems with the 32 dmg gems) It also gives the luxury of manipulating socket bonus', which I think is a huge benefit.

It may be +39 right now, but epic gems are expected to be +22 spell dmg, which puts the JC advantage at only +30. Enchanting will remain at +38 so i would think it would be better.

As to your point about socket bonuses, I disagree that it's a "huge benefit". The only real dps loss gems for warlocks are ones that need to hit a blue slot. Most warlocks need two of these somewhere on their gear for meta requirements. So the amount of worthwhile socket bonuses that JC would help you preserve over and above using gems you'd be using anyway and the two blue gems you'll naturally want to equip is probably 0, 1 at the most. Even if the incremental preserved socket bonus was +6 spellpower, JC will still end up behind Enchanting when all is said and done.

Akj · 02/10/09, 4:55 PM

Originally Posted by turturin

It may be +39 right now, but epic gems are expected to be +22 spell dmg, which puts the JC advantage at only +30. Enchanting will remain at +38 so i would think it would be better.

As to your point about socket bonuses, I disagree that it's a "huge benefit". The only real dps loss gems for warlocks are ones that need to hit a blue slot. Most warlocks need two of these somewhere on their gear for meta requirements. So the amount of worthwhile socket bonuses that JC would help you preserve over and above using gems you'd be using anyway and the two blue gems you'll naturally want to equip is probably 0, 1 at the most. Even if the incremental preserved socket bonus was +6 spellpower, JC will still end up behind Enchanting when all is said and done.

You are ignoring the fact that JCs can throw two spell damage (prismatic) gems into blue slots & satisfy the meta requirements too. The gain should be computed as

3x32 spell dmg - [1x(spell dmg of best red gem available to non JCs)+2x(spell dmg of best blue gem available to non JCs)]

For the current scenario this works out to

3x32 - (19+2*12) = 56 damage gain

Edit: Assuming CSD use

Heeno · 02/10/09, 4:59 PM

Don't forget that when there is a blue socket, most of the time if the socket bonus isn't good, it is just ignored because putting a blue gem in for the bonus would be a dps loss. Most of us currently do not have three blue gems in our gear, so the bonus is less than 56 spellpower as you computed. Still, it is clear JC is the current best profession, just not by a wide margin.

Trickykid · 02/10/09, 5:20 PM

Originally Posted by Akj

Edit: Assuming CSD use

Even not assuming CSD, for affliction warlocks who use [Ember Skyflare Diamond], you also gain 10 spell power from the two best in slot items that have a blue socket with +5 spell power, [Pennant Cloak] and [Wyrmrest Necklace of Power].

Lominen · 02/10/09, 9:44 PM

Originally Posted by pittgilman

I was always under the assumption that is was a 50% increase which would make it 62.5. I just read up on it some more and it seems that it is not always a 50% increase, still can't find a solid answer, a few people saying it is 50% and some saying it is only about 25%. I apologize.

It is exactly 37 SP on a flask gained from Mixology. Similar to what you gain from Inscription/LW enchant. However you get the benefit of your flask lasting twice the amount of time + pots for arena etc. That is good enough for me

Envý · 02/11/09, 10:09 AM

If you check the [Runed Cardinal Ruby] you see that the epic gems will most likely get +23 SP. That will give JC a bonus of 24 sp (+ free Meta/Socket Bonuses), and BS a bonus of 46 SP in future.

duhwhat · 02/11/09, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Envý

If you check the [Runed Cardinal Ruby] you see that the epic gems will most likely get +23 SP. That will give JC a bonus of 24 sp (+ free Meta/Socket Bonuses), and BS a bonus of 48 SP in future.

That'd be 46, not 48 for BS. I'd pose this question for you older-school warlocks: how did socket bonuses scale going from T4 to T6? I ask this to get a feel for how socket bonuses might scale from T7 to T8 and eventually T9.

This will help determine by how much JC's benefit will decrease. After the introduction of Runed Cardinal Rubies, JC will be worth 27 SP + socket bonuses (currently slightly more than 10 sp if you have the Pennant Cloak, Maly neck, and one other haste or crit socket bonus that you can activate with your 3rd Runed Dragon's Eye).

If we continue to have gear with blue/yellow socket SP bonuses (another unknown) this would maintain JC on par with Enchanting, LW, and Inscription (37-38 SP). There is also the possibility of rebalancing of these professions to ~46 sp to match BS. I currently have BS in anticipation of epic gems and for the current 38 SP bonus, and am keeping enchanting until the question of rebalancing is answered, at which point I may drop it for JC if socket bonuses continue to scale well.

greentea · 02/11/09, 2:10 PM

I have no way to substantiate this, but I'm fairly confidant that with 3.1 and ulduar (and epic gems) all the professions will recieve new self-only enchants to keep them all in line. At this point most of them are very equatable, and I don't see why they'd let epic gems ruin that.

I think it's safe to expect 23 sp ring enchants, better dragon eye cuts, and I wouldn't be suprised if they figured out a way to fix tailoring (shirt enchants??) and maybe they'll just leave engi to pvp.

woodab · 02/11/09, 2:16 PM

Soo i dont really understand why [Plush Sash of Guzbah] is such a significant dps increase over [Girdle of Bane]. Even if you socket a [Veiled Monarch Topaz] and a [Runed Scarlet Ruby] (belt buckle) it has less hit rating and spellpower, but more haste. i was under the impression that hit and sp where the two most important attributes for affliction.

Rhad · 02/11/09, 2:33 PM

Woodab: There's only an 8 DPS difference, which considering all of the stats we use are best-estimates, 8 DPS is probably within the margin of error. Make sure to compare green stats to green stats (and black stats to black stats).

Oth · 02/11/09, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by woodab

Soo i dont really understand why [Plush Sash of Guzbah] is such a significant dps increase over [Girdle of Bane]. Even if you socket a [Veiled Monarch Topaz] and a [Runed Scarlet Ruby] (belt buckle) it has less hit rating and spellpower, but more haste. i was under the impression that hit and sp where the two most important attributes for affliction.

The question is whether you feel 11.4 damage and 3 hit is worth 42 haste.

Damage:

Guzbah: 68 + 19(RSR) + 9(VMT) = 96 damage
Bane: 77 + 19(RSR) = 96 damage, plus 11.4~14 damage from spirit.

Hit:

Guzbah: 33 + 8(VMT) + 4 (socket) = 45 hit
Bane: 48 hit

Haste

Guzbah: 42
Bane: 0

Personally, that tradeoff is more than acceptable to me. Moreover, if you don't need the extra 12 hit and want to drop another RSR into it, the sash clearly passes the girdle by. (But I definitely understand the thought process. I went through the same deal myself. If you want to save badges for other things, Bane is definitely _close_.)

Gyojin · 02/11/09, 5:24 PM

Hi peeps,

I want to make a comment to all the tips and help I got from you all. I changed some minor things in my rotation and just practised alot.

Tonight I did 5.4k dps on Loatheb and 5.4k dps on Patchwork. Both of them made me the 1th dps on the list!

I R Happy!.

Greets Gyojin