rebeccamF

Does this apply to crit debuffs, as well?

 

rutiene

All debuffs.

 

Verlex

nevermind

 

Vathral

If it hasn't been mentioned (42 pages is way too much to look through), those leggings of the enslaved idol drop from 25 man Freya hard.

 

sweatyass

Hi guys, my first post here ^^

I need some clarification about Heroic Target Dummy DPS, on my current gear, mostly ilvl200, some 213s. I can pull 3.7 to 4k on 25man Patch with flask, raid and food buffs, even if we wipe before patch reaches 25% health, recount shows this number on the current fight.

But on a target dummy no external buffs but own ones, I can only reach 2.9k at the peak, around 5mins test sample, tried 3 rounds. Then I tested a Demonic Pact / Decimation build without the 3% hit from Supression or any compensation, I reached 3.3k dps peak! Whats going on, Its driving me nuts.

Affliction rotation is -- Life Tap (Glyph and 4x T7 set bonus) > SB > Haunt > CoA > Corruption > Unstable Affliction > SB filler. Build is the typical 53/1/17.

Do you guys face this also?

 

Menestheus

Target dummy DPS is a completely different thing to Patchwerk DPS. On a target dummy you don't have a full set of buffs or debuffs. On populous servers the level 83 target dummy is always sitting at 0% skewing the numbers towards builds with things like Death's Embrace and with your gear (351 hit) you won't be hit capped against the target dummy solo.

Basically, target dummy DPS figures are completely useless for anything other than learning your rotation.

 

zaliisa

I've not used dummies that much either, I prefer to benchmark in a real raid fight - but if I remember right, my Drain Soul ticks didn't get the x4 multiplier on them. Did they make a change? Or is there some mechanic that enables the DE effect but not the Drain Soul bonus?

 

burnttoast45

I'm trying to figure out how you got the dps boost to Unstable Affliction of 159.85dps by using the 2pT8.

Unstable Affliction:
With a Grand Spellstone/Fel Armor my unstable affliction does 1390-1395 over 15 seconds.
With a relative midpoint that means: 1393/15 = 92.86dps

Now for the 2pT8 bonus:
1393 * .20 = 278.6 additional damage over those 15 seconds.

278.6/15 = 18.573dps

Note: I'm focusing on instance bosses ofc and ignoring the dispell damage of ua. I'm also assuming 100% uptime for simplicity.

Am I missing something?

Just a little background on why this mattered. I had run some calculations trying to compare the 49 spirit (35.133 dps) in the [Soot-Covered Mantle] vs. the [Valorous Deathbringer Shoulderpads] affliction bonus but noticed a major error in my calculations; the hit from the currently worn ScM was needed to hit the >= 290 before Boomkin/Shadow Priest bonus.

So really my max dps, based on needing to hit at least 290 for 25 man, calculation should have been:
1) [Combustion Bracers] + [Valorous Deathbringer Shoulderpads]
vs
2) [Bands of Impurity] + [Soot-Covered Mantle]

From the spreadsheet (newb wadding through it) it's looking like option 1...

Additional Information:

Character link: The World of Warcraft Armory

Addition items I have that might change your perspective:
[Cowl of Icy Breaths]
[Raiments of the Corrupted]
[Heigan's Putrid Vestments]

When I don't have a Boomkin/Shadow priest available I just swap in the [Cowl of Icy Breaths] for the needed hit. Any suggestions are welcome.

 

rutiene

@burnttoast: You're not accounting for scaling with spellpower/haste/crit. Your UA does that much damage if you have no gear on. The 20% is on top of everything else, it's not to base damage.

 

Namnalia

Yep right. The main simulation gives ~763 DPS for UA in high end T7 gear, 20% increase gives roughly 153 dps (I have no quick answer to the missing 6 dps, but they don't really matter), and that's your 2pT8 bonus. It seemed completely useless to compute the bonus for naked warlocks.
Although it could be considered as handholding, that means in your case: Equipping a second piece of T8 will increase your dps as affliction under more or less any circumstances, no matter what you wore before or how much hit you have afterwards.

 

Shrimpy

I was wondering if now that they are nerfing chaos bolt if affliction is a viable spec in 3.2

 

zaliisa

I must have missed something; what CB nerf is planned for 3.2? It would need to be a substantial one to knock Destro from the top.

And for the record, Affliction is viable now, it's just not the top performer on many fights. Yogg-Saron, however; the fight belongs to Afflocks.

Anyone else finding they actually respec more now they have dual spec?

 

rutiene

The nerf to Chaos Bolt does not really effect PvE. In other words, no.

 

• Maels

He's referring to this:

• Chaos Bolt: This spell no longer ignores damage reduction effects of the target.

Which has no effect on PvE at all.

ef;b

A marginal difference that only really shines in phase 3 due to Drain Soul and Empowering Shadows mechanics. I don't respec and do fine damagewise. I might reconsider once we try hard modes and we see many phase 3 wipes.

 

zaliisa

OK; that change I did know about - but it's coming now in 3.1.3, I believe.


As for Affliction viability:

I actually haven't been there yet myself to see what the earlier phases are all about - but the WoW meter online stats point clearly to affliction at the top for YS - this could be all phase 3 effort throwing Afflocks to the top, but the figures look more than marginal.

From these statistics, Affliction does make an appearance on a few other fights in Ulduar: Auriaya, Freya and Kologarn - but Destro is noticeably infront on most of the others.

 

Demondan

Thought I'd just throw in, as the guide doesn't cover it, that it's probably better to use Potion of Wild Magic during Bloodlust / Heroism even though your dots won't have reduced GCD, as that only removes about 20 % of the effectivity of haste (according to the guide), while the spell power gains 30 % effectivity as you cast faster.

That'd effectively change the potion's effect from 200 spell power and 200 haste to 260 spell power and 160 haste (right?).

 

rutiene

To add to this, for those who are considering going Affliction for Yogg, I find that Affliction also does very well in Phase 2 as when you're traveling from Crusher to Crusher the ability to do a fair amount of damage to Corruptors along the way is helpful. My guild has melee kill the Corruptors in between Brain phases and having them lower in HP helps that endeavor. Affliction really does lose out in Phase 1 and on Constrictors in Phase 2, but neither of those require much DPS as a whole.

 

Cellerik

[Potion of Wild Magic] gives 200 spell power and 200 critical rating, not haste.

 

Darxide89

Hey gents and ladies,

i was wondering if Spiced Mammoth Treats - Item - World of Warcraft or Sporeling Snack - Item - World of Warcraft would be any good to maximise your pets DPS ?

 

Quaiche

For any spec that uses pet melee DPS or one where pet Stamina affects your DPS, using Spiced Mammoth Treats is a must in my opinion. I've always got a few stacks in my bank and a stack in my bag.

 

• Maels

Potion of Haste is the best dps gain if you're affliction and it's Drain Soul time.

 

Darxide89

Well i was thinking, what qualifies as melee damage ? the only demon that doesnt use melee is the imp, but all the other's use some form of magic attack in close quarters combat. fel hunter, succubus even the doom guard. the only thing that seems to have any affect is the auto attacks they do. is that worth the pet food given ?
it seems to be more useful to hunters than anything else.

 

Quaiche

Your alternative however, is nothing, which by definition doesn't add anything to your DPS. As I said, I find it very cheap to produce and worth it even if just for the stamina boost on the pet. For FG and DG pets, doubly so because of the STR bonus.

 

Splot

Kibler's Bits is a cheaper to make alternative with a similar buff as the Northrend option.

Note to self: If the question is inappropriate, don't answer it, report it.

"Dear Splot,
You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks.
Reason: Aiding and abetting stupidity"

 

silmarieni

The glyph increases the healing you receive from your Siphon Life talent by 25%, it doesn't increase damage.