Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread - Page 43

Goetze · 02/12/09, 7:01 PM

I respecced to affliction from a demo/destro hybrid a few weeks ago. Leuliers says I should be doing 2900 dps with just fel armor and my spell stone. I am using an initial spell rotation of:

SB > Haunt > UA > CoA > Corr > SL > Immo > SB Filler > renew as needed > 25% DS

On a training dummy I am barely breaking 2300 dps. I feel like I am missing some crucial part of my rotation and therefor losing a substantial part of my dps. Any suggestions would be great.

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My Leulier DPS spreadsheet
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Peekaboo · 02/12/09, 7:25 PM

Goetze with similar gear to yours I get about 2500 at the target dummy (not using drain soul).

My stats: Bonus Damage:1706. Hit Rating: 284. Crit Chance: 11.99%. Haste Rating: 337. Mana Regen: 327

The only thing I can suggest is do a long enough test, and if you get any missed haunts your dps will be significantly lowered. Other than that, practice. After switching over from destro (2200 at the target dummy) my dps was about 2100 with affliction for the first half hour of testing. I changed the settings on my Dotimers to make it so I was more on the ball, plus generally getting the hang of things.

calderstrake · 02/12/09, 7:56 PM

@Goetze
Did you go to the Gear_Buffs tab and de-select all the raid buffs? (including changing BoK to '0')

vladamier · 02/12/09, 8:45 PM

Originally Posted by Goetze

I respecced to affliction from a demo/destro hybrid a few weeks ago. Leuliers says I should be doing 2900 dps with just fel armor and my spell stone. I am using an initial spell rotation of:

SB > Haunt > UA > CoA > Corr > SL > Immo > SB Filler > renew as needed > 25% DS

On a training dummy I am barely breaking 2300 dps. I feel like I am missing some crucial part of my rotation and therefor losing a substantial part of my dps. Any suggestions would be great.

My Info

My Leulier DPS spreadsheet
My Armory info
Be.Imba.Hu

when you check your dps make sure that you look at each individual spell. check the number of times you missed( a missed spell is a serious loss of dps) and dont forget to include your pet.

The second thing is check your gear. make sure that you are gemming correctly for the affliction lock, as well as placing talents where they are most effective.

take a look at your dot up time. while you wont ever get 100%,(you dont want to clip) if you are not in the 90% range you are hurting yourself.

Goetze · 02/12/09, 8:54 PM

Originally Posted by trismegistus

@Goetze
Did you go to the Gear_Buffs tab and de-select all the raid buffs? (including changing BoK to '0')

They are all off except fel armor and spellstone

Trickykid · 02/12/09, 9:21 PM

Originally Posted by Goetze

They are all off except fel armor and spellstone

There are raid buffs on the DPS tab as well. Also, setting the sheet to use DS in execute range is probably not the best for comparing to target dummy tests.

achille · 02/13/09, 9:22 AM

About the matter of dot scaling that me and woggle have been talking about, I have one more question.

Did anyone check how gaining crit works with dots already casted and with haunt refreshment?

I.E. if I cast corruption at the beginning of the fight and then take the crit aura at loatheb, is corruption scaling dynamically? If not, is haunt refreshing corruption transferring my new crit chance to it just like it seems (on only certain occasions apparently) to do with damage modifiers?

Odiuz · 02/13/09, 12:50 PM

my rotation as affliction is: SB, haunt, UA, Immo, CoA, Corr, SL. In Naxx 10 on patchwerk(nothing new) pushed around 4890DPS using Doomguard, when patchwerk is under 25% health, I've used drain soul until all dots expires them i renewed them and continue to use drainsoul, are it correct?

Saobuks · 02/13/09, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by achille

About the matter of dot scaling that me and woggle have been talking about, I have one more question.

Did anyone check how gaining crit works with dots already casted and with haunt refreshment?

I.E. if I cast corruption at the beginning of the fight and then take the crit aura at loatheb, is corruption scaling dynamically? If not, is haunt refreshing corruption transferring my new crit chance to it just like it seems (on only certain occasions apparently) to do with damage modifiers?

A good way of thinking about this is treating UA and corruption being both unaffected directly by your crit. Crit affects pandemic, and pandemic will do damage based on your crit. So every time UA and corruption tick, pandemic will then roll the dice based on your current crit. Basically as long as UA and corruption are ticking, none of your crit will ever go to waste when it comes to pandemic.

Rhad · 02/13/09, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by Odiuz

my rotation as affliction is: SB, haunt, UA, Immo, CoA, Corr, SL. In Naxx 10 on patchwerk(nothing new) pushed around 4890DPS using Doomguard, when patchwerk is under 25% health, I've used drain soul until all dots expires them i renewed them and continue to use drainsoul, are it correct?

You might want to play with combining CoA and SL, with SL first (if you have the CoA glyph), since their DoT length are similar. It helps the chaos a bit, like the UA/Immo combo.

As for Drain Soul, check out the main post, "The proper use of Drain Soul" section. Basically, you should never let your DoTs sit idle during DS phase, since every one of your DoTs has better dpct than DS, and all of them (other than immolate) boosts DS' damage. If you don't have a UI that announces when a DS tic occurs, get one, and immediately following a tic, recast whichever DoT is needed, then recast DS for another tic or 2. Repeat. And, never let Haunt drop during DS, ever… since if you lose Shadow Embrace, you'll need to cast a Shadow Bolt to get the SE stack working again.

keenzz · 02/15/09, 5:30 AM

I'm really getting sick of this. I get 2.8k dps on a dummy and like 3.8k dps on patchwork, but I think that could be better. Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Here is the screenshot + my armory.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Nachtschaduw · 02/15/09, 6:23 AM

Originally Posted by keenzz

I'm really getting sick of this. I get 2.8k dps on a dummy and like 3.8k dps on patchwork, but I think that could be better. Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Here is the screenshot + my armory.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Why do you have 13% hit with 1 point in suppresion (so you assume you have a boomkin or spriest) but you put 3 points in cata?

Other than that, you are just quite low on gear.

3.8k for your gear isn't very bad. People like Maalakai who get insane dps on patch make sure they have a doomguard out and use potion of speed/wild magic etc and they have the best in game gear, enchants and gems.

zaliisa · 02/15/09, 6:33 AM

Agree with Nacths - 3/3 Cataclysm seems overkill - you should be able to spare 2 points of to get ISB to 4/5 - and I'd be grabbing the points out of Imp DS too, unless you are having big threat problems.

Plus, you should ideally be using the TBC head enchant while you work on Kirin Tor rep.

For more help, we need a WWS - can't tell from the screeny what buffs you had, whether you had missed, what pet you used when, etc.

Woggle · 02/15/09, 12:57 PM

To revisit the matter of Corruption's elongation by Haunt not being affected by debuffs on the player, this is still the case. While doing Thaddius today, I tested around a bit. The damage of Corruption did not increase when being refreshed by Haunt with the Polarity-debuff present. Rather, the spell had to be recast. If any sort of spellpower buff was up during the initial cast (trinket proc or on-use), re-application would fail with the message "a more powerful spell is already active". This is a bug in my opinion.

Dpartd · 02/15/09, 3:24 PM

Edit 4/16/09: ForteXorcist cast bar takes all pushback into account (currently, this is the only mod that shows both pushback and tick marks at the same time).

I have seen a lot of heartburn regarding Drain Soul and how to properly execute the spell in a boss encounter. Because of this, I would like to show you exactly how to setup two mods which will help improve your, Affliction Warlock, DPS dramatically.

First and foremost, download and install the two mods (Drain Soul Warning and ForteXorcist) found here:

Drain Soul Warning - Addons - Curse
ForteXorcist (ForteWarlock) : WoWInterface Downloads : Warlock

Get both of these mods up and running in WoW. The following will show you exactly how to Setup your mods in the WoW UI to get the most out of them.

First, go into your ForteXorcist options by typing "/fortexorcist" in your chat bar.

Then, click on the "Spell Timer" button on the bottom of the ForteXorcist Options panel.

Then, make sure that the "Enable" and "Show Ticks" boxes are checked. Finally, scroll down a bit in the ForteXorcist Options panel and ensure that the "Drain" button is checked.

Now, I arrange these two mods right underneath my Quartz mod so they are clearly visible throughout a Boss Fight. As soon as the Drain Soul Warning turns Red and says "Drain Soul!" I immediately switch from using Shadow Bolt as my main filler to Drain Soul to the end of a boss encounter. And, with ForteXorcist setup exactly how I laid out step-by-step above, you will only see the ForteXorcist mod when you begin to cast Drain Soul. You will also now see each Tick Mark of Drain Soul so you will never clip a tick when you need to reapply your falling off DoTs. This setup will ensure that you maximize all your Drain Soul Ticks in a boss fight.

In combat, final product:

One last point to remember, treat each Drain Soul Tick as a separate cast. That should help you visualize and prioritize your spell casting during the last 25% of a boss fight.

My latest Patchwerk WWS for reference and confirmation that the above works:
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