Dots and you: The Affliction Warlock Thread - Page 58

supplicium · 04/03/09, 1:39 PM

As far as I remember Hit rating used to round down to the nearest whole %, so if you are at 13.99% your are still at 13% and not 14%.

I can't remember which thread it was in but it was discussed in this forum in the last week and a half.

I'm not certain if this is 100% true, but just do to murphy's law and the law of averages, it definitley does seem that even if I'm a modicum of hit below cap the miss rate does seem higher than it should be.

Trickykid · 04/03/09, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by supplicium

As far as I remember Hit rating used to round down to the nearest whole %, so if you are at 13.99% your are still at 13% and not 14%.

I can't remember which thread it was in but it was discussed in this forum in the last week and a half.

I'm not certain if this is 100% true, but just do to murphy's law and the law of averages, it definitley does seem that even if I'm a modicum of hit below cap the miss rate does seem higher than it should be.

If you're at 99.9% hit and you miss once, of course it will seem higher than it should be! Most fights don't give you a chance to do thousands of casts, so miss percents with almost-capped gear will appear very high whenever you see one. However you should also see plenty of fights with no misses.

Testing the assumption above requires a huge amount of data for this reason.

Evyle · 04/05/09, 4:36 PM

As fights get tougher there seems to be more and more value to having range on your attacks. I am trying to think of the least impact talents to loose to be able to get the 36 yard range for my dots and shadow bolts. Here is a sample spec I was thinking of with a possible minimal loss of dps talents to get both ranged ones to max for a 53/0/18 build. I also got rid of imp life tap due to the increased life taps to get the glyph going (I had done 3 during last patchwork fight vs the 8 needed for 100% buff uptime).

It is always a trade off to get a talent now days. I know it will loose some dps. I am just seeing what others think are the lowest dps per talent point items that can be subbed in and out for the range talents.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

cjwprostar · 04/06/09, 12:25 AM

Sorry to interrupt the current conversation, but I had some questions about rotation. With Haunt, Shadow Embrace, and Molten Core, do the bonuses that these skills grant (ie. increased dmg) work on spells already cast or do your spells need to be recast to get the benefits?

Issa · 04/06/09, 2:05 AM

Originally Posted by cjwprostar

Sorry to interrupt the current conversation, but I had some questions about rotation. With Haunt, Shadow Embrace, and Molten Core, do the bonuses that these skills grant (ie. increased dmg) work on spells already cast or do your spells need to be recast to get the benefits?

If it is a debuff on the mob, like haunt and Shadow Embrace, the bonusses will be granted on the spells already cast and will stop as soon as the debuff drops off. If it is a selfbuff, like a trinket or Molten Core, the bonus is only applied on spells that are casted while the buff is up and the bonus will stay on that spell untill the spell ends, even if the buff drops off immediatly after the spell was cast.

vaestmanaeyjar · 04/06/09, 9:05 AM

For the time being I have taken the ranged talents, which bring two things.

First one is mainly comfort.
Second one is, the bosses I performed poorly on were the ones involving movement to get in and out of position. With enhanced range I can for exemple nuke longer when the Saphiron ice blocks are farther away. I put myself near the block and keep nuking until the last moment. When I didn't have those talents, this was wasted time.

My main point is, having range will help a lot on some bosses, and the points put there won't felt missed elsewhere on bosses you perform well on already. Ok, these talents are useless for PW. I'm still on the top of the meters anyway there. Range helps for what are currently the "hardest" fights, and is useless for the easy ones.

FalseMyrmidon · 04/06/09, 4:49 PM

You can get both the range talents pretty easily as affliction on 3.10 (Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft for example). All you really lose are Nightfall and maybe Imp Drain Soul.

angaroth · 04/06/09, 4:57 PM

Or since you are going to be life-tapping a lot, drop Imp Life Tap for Imp Drain Soul, remove the one point in Fel Synergy for Nightfall.

Heeno · 04/06/09, 6:05 PM

Why would you ever drop Imp. Life Tap, it is by far the best talent available at the bottom of the affliction tree. Imp Drain Soul isn't a direct DPS increasing talent, and only results in approximately a 6% threat reduction. Unless your tank is not doing his job, you should never run into aggro problems. Imp. Life Tap is far superior to Imp. Drain Soul.

dcpwns · 04/06/09, 6:11 PM

Originally Posted by Heeno

Why would you ever drop Imp. Life Tap, it is by far the best talent available at the bottom of the affliction tree. Imp Drain Soul isn't a direct DPS increasing talent, and only results in approximately a 6% threat reduction. Unless your tank is not doing his job, you should never run into aggro problems. Imp. Life Tap is far superior to Imp. Drain Soul.

I thought the new LT glyph and simcraft dictated that it was a dps increase to lifetap every 20 seconds for the buff?

Damphair · 04/06/09, 6:22 PM

Question on stat-stacking.

I'm affliction running on 2pcT7.5.

The initial post states that 10 haste = 6 dps, and 10 crit = 3.7 dps.

Is this true regardless of the current haste you have? That is, does adding 10 haste to 0 haste gains the same dps as adding 10 haste to 500 haste?

If so, then the math is easy. If not, then what is the best way to adjust for the losing value of haste in comparing stats?

Right now I have 501 + 60 (stone) haste, so that's 561. I have the option of taking either (1) 55 haste or (2) 25 crit. The original formula will say that it is 318 versus 92.5 dps, but that seems wrong to me. Suggestions?

Heeno · 04/06/09, 6:36 PM

There is a section in the original post discussing the possibility of having too much haste. Basically the value of haste diminishes by 20% when soft-capped. There are two ways to become soft-capped: heroism and eradication. Unless you have over 1200 haste, it is impossible to become haste-capped otherwise. The value of haste diminishes slightly as the fight shortens, as the high heroism uptime will keep you haste-capped for a greater amount of time. This is not a large dps loss however, and should not greatly devalue haste.

Namnalia · 04/07/09, 5:11 AM

@ damphair:

The values of the initial post are considering haste you already have - or at least some amount similar to the amout you have. For more details about that, take a look at the second post to see what values were the base for the computation. 55 haste equals 31.5 dps (not 315), 25 crit is about 9.2 dps (not 92). As mentioned by heeno, you don't really have to care about the haste cap when comparing haste and crit: Even when you hit the cap, and you will only do that for a small period of an encounter, shadow bolt and drain soul still scale and therefore haste is still superior to crit on a point to point basis (as written in the initial thread).

Zaulis · 04/07/09, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by dcpwns

I thought the new LT glyph and simcraft dictated that it was a dps increase to lifetap every 20 seconds for the buff?

I would be interested in seeing if on a longer fight with Lifetap as an ability needing refreshing every 20s if Improved Lifetap would still be necessary. If there is a surplus of mana from having Imp Lifetap and Lifetapping on a regular 20s cycle at the end of such a boss fight then it may be better to move those points elsewhere for raiding. I may have to hop on PTR to test this out if I have time this weekend.

RoyalBoss · 04/08/09, 2:26 AM

Just a quick question I've been thinking about and tried to search for it a little bit but it's kind of hard to search for.

Do you need to refresh your corruption when the boss is below 35% for your corruption to get the extra 12% damage from Death's Embrace? Or will it automatically refresh with the 12% extra dmg from DE when the target is below 35%?

Thanks,