Except SB doesn't benefit from the SE buff, so all of those numbers must be explained by some other difference, most likely a difference in spell power.

EDIT: Nevermind, I guess you're right, the difference in SB damage is significantly lower than the difference in dot damage.

Just did some tests with a fellow warlock, and the conclusion is; SE only benefits the player which applies it first.

We tested it in a live environment on mobs with approximately 12k hp, and we were both naked. We had the exact same amount of crit and a 1 SP difference.

Corruption ticks with no SE were 337 for both, 354 with 1xSE and 371 with 2xSE, and SE only benefited the warlock that applied the initial debuff.

However, we did notice some strange behaviour regarding "extra" ticks shown in the Blizzard SCT, showing additional ticks for about 44-47 damage. These did not show in in Recount nor the combat log, and they seemed to happen quite sporadically, thou always in conjunction with the Corruption ticks. Now I might be missing the obvious, but could someone care to explain what those ticks were ?

Pandemic maybe? Or pet attacks?

EDIT: Both of the above can be ruled out if your description of the situation is true. So that leads me to consider more obscure explanations:

Is there any way it could be Everlasting Affliction's 5% effect? What exactly was your spell power when doing this? (I realize you said you were naked, which to me would mean 0 SP, but I must be missing something, since you said you were within 1 SP of each other. At a random guess, maybe you had fel armor on?)

Nope, it was definitely not pandemic nor pet attacks. Pandemic would tick for 100% of the corruption ticks and show up in Recount as Pandemic anyways, this didn't show up anywhere at all except the blizzard combat text.

Maybe Fire Shield from the imp?

Fire Shield? 44 damage might be too much for that tho, dont really know how much it does.

Fire Shield sounds like a reasonable candidate. Not sure why it would tick for 44 (wowhead says max rank damage should be 33, and I doubt it scales with SP), nor why it would always coincide with a corruption tick. But the latter might be coincidence, and a variance in the damage of 10% could be explained by Molten Core procs.

Any chance you mistyped and meant about 34-37 damage?

It's definately Fire Shield, the other warlock has Imp. Imp, and I remembered incorrectly saying it was 44+, it's actually 41-42 or so. Guess this is solved, so lets get back on track and move on to more important topics

Updated many parts of the main posts now, included many parts of Fallenmens Guide (thx for these). Corrected the spotted math errors. Actually I'm trying to improve the readability and include some missing pieces into the calculations (Like Drain Soul).

In the first post you have

'CoA or CoD? CoD.'

That last D should be an A

I figured id post this here as this thread has helped me immensely. It’s arguable that Patchwrek not being the best benchmark for DPS but it’s what most people use. I feel the spec can do more, especially if you get to the point where you can spec out of both of the +hit talents opening up some more goodies.
This is pretty much on with what Simcraft was saying about the different specs, it will be interesting to see Destro molded again with the changes they made in this patch.

Spec and Gear as it appears in the armory right now.
5682 DPS Wow Web Stats I was only in for Anub and Abomb wing today as i sat so others could get gear.

I’m kind of annoyed our other locks don’t currently pull the DPS I think they should, I really would like to figure out if Shadow Embrace is indeed bugged. Some say yes some say no.

Changed the part about Eradication - The numbers were wrong for some strange reason. I guess the results now match the experience most players had with this talent.

New version:

How much haste is Eradication?

Time starts, corruption ticks for the first time.
There is a 4/7/10% chance of an eradication proc. This gives 20% haste right now for 12s, and the game starts again at
30s. this is an average 20%*12s/30s = 8% haste. The probability of this actually happening is 4/7/10%, depending on the talent points spent.

96/93/90% of the time, it didn't proc.
3 seconds later there is another corruption tick. The above game starts again, but the benefit is only
20%*12s/33s = 7,27% haste as you had 3 seconds without additional haste before the proc.

So you simply sum up the average benefits, breaking it up somewhere (e.g. the probability of not getting a proc 60 times in a row is only 1/1000, so I ignore these).

average haste benefit = 0.1*(20%*12/30) + 0.1*0.9*(20%*12/33) + 0.1*0.9^2*(20%*12/36)+...
I won't write 60 terms here, the result is :
1 talent point : 3.28% haste
2 talent points: 4.18% haste
3 talent points: 4.69% haste.
So the first talent point effectively gives you more than 3% haste, the next one gives 0.9% and the last one about 0.5% absolute haste. Although 0.5% haste is not that bad, there are stronger talents available.

Any thoughts on practical DPS loss of letting Haunt fall off? I've gotten in the habit of -always- clipping Haunt by casting it as soon as the cool down is up to ensure as close to 100% uptime as possible. The cooldown coming off gives you a 4 second window to reapply Haunt. Factoring in reaction time, cast time, and flight time for the Haunt projectile I estimate I'm clipping around 2 seconds. Is getting in a DoT refresh in that window instead of clipping Haunt a significant DPS upgrade, at the risk of losing your 20% debuff for a second or two?

Never cast Haunt on CD....

Cast it like other Dots, plan it to land as it expires on the target. Taking into consideration the time left on your Corruption.

I disagree. Haunt's travel time, combined with the potential loss in corruption ticks (and the GCD spent reapplying it) makes it more than worthwhile to refresh it when you have an optimal instant in your current cycle to refresh it. Remember, Haunt is not a DoT, it's technically direct damage, so you lose no 'ticks' from refreshing it. What is lost is the opportunity cost of casting something else (in the situation I brought up, it's (1.5/2.5) of another shadowbolt with no haste). When you take into account that shadowbolt is your lowest DPCT spell, the loss of DPS with a tick of every other DoT non Haunt-ed, and the healing it gives you, it would seem that Haunt is in fact the BEST spell to clip if you have to. Obviously in a perfect rotation, you'd have haunt land .01 seconds after it expires, but if you've got to clip something, clip haunt.

Even so his other locks in his raid have their DS ticks like 2k+ lower then his.I can't think of how this would happen.On top of that I have as much SP as him and I don't see DS ticks on avg that high.

Thanks for the clarification on the SE statement.

That raid was the first time we had both a Moonkin Druid and an Ele Shaman (I was in Ele group) other then that I don’t think I had anything other then the standard buffs (Flask, Spell damage food, Spellstone,...) and then what mages Sps and DKs put up however the addition of both an ele shaman and boomkin is amazing. I also dropped the infernal, but even without him I still would have been well over 5k. The discrepancy in WWS between two different locks in very similar gear is something that I also want to look into this weekend to see if something else is going on other then simply player skill or bad RNG luck.

dcpwns: The only explanation on my DS ticks that I can offer is trinkets, I know for a fact that I used my racial (trinket) before DSing and if Dying Curse proced then there’s another 700 spell power added to the calc for it.

I will look at WWS’s posted when I get home and offer comments if I can. The site is blocked from where I work

Yeah I guess I could have expanded my statement. Yes its ok to clip it. But you should not cast on CD, thats silly. You do have a window to refresh after that you should use to try and ensure it keeps your Corr up...meaning casting before Corr is done ticking. All good points.

I think part of it has to do with the shorter DPS time of your fights, since things that are only once a fight (Infernal, Bloodlust, etc) have a higher DPS value in shorter fights. I'd also like to offer up my WWS stats. (Wow Web Stats)

The Infernal seems to be quite a DPS boost. Mine was on CD at the fight, quite a disappointment to me. We were also missing alot of possible raid buffs.

It is fight length.

Thats why you should just compare things like dot uptimes, as those speak more towards someones performance and less about their gear. Like if you compare amount of SBs or something...haste/bloodlust/haste pots, affect that dramatically.

Right now I have put three points in cataclsym. I was thinking of dropping one point out of it and placing it in molten core. Since I run with an imp due to already having another affliction lock who constantly runs with a felpuppy, I feel this is the proper move to make for optimal dps. Does the extra % mana come out to more dps if your hit capped over one point in molten core? Any suggestions would be great.

What exactly is the buggy behaviour?

If it looks like a fix won't be incoming any time soon, then I prefer to add the same "bug" to the simulator.