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Old 01/17/10, 6:52 PM   #1366
sjaub
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Eredar
is it more dps as affliction to pre-pot wild magic pot then pop a potion of speed later in the fight

or just pot wild magic both times?

thanks

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Old 01/17/10, 7:15 PM   #1367
reality_check
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Arthas
So I have been reading through the posts and and have come to acknowledge that like Crit, %damage buffs on you roll with Corruption as well. So does that suggest that we should reapply Corruption when the boss goes below 35% health in order to gain benefit from Death's Embrace?

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Old 01/17/10, 10:32 PM   #1368
Mupki
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis
If you want 12% more damage from Death's Embrace on your Corruption damage, then yes.

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Old 01/17/10, 11:06 PM   #1369
Warlocomotif
Don Flamenco
 
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Human Warlock
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Deaths embrace is not a buff, you will most likely benefit from the talent without the need to recast corruption.

The mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's open.

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Old 01/18/10, 2:16 AM   #1370
Flyfunner
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Teldrassil (EU)
No, thats sadly not the caste. Death's Embrace Bonus on Corruption is also rolling. Tested it several times.
Well ok my last test was some time ago (several weeks), but Death Embrace, in generall, works very similar to a buff

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Old 01/18/10, 8:53 AM   #1371
téhanu
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by randa View Post
I have reworked warlock script for Ovale - WoW AddOns - CurseForge.com and made it more straightforward and accommodated for 55/0/16 affliction build.
Could you do a script for 56/0/15 DP build too? Especially if it is possible for the addon to suggest DP only when the doggy is in range.

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Old 01/18/10, 1:58 PM   #1372
Freakz0r
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Executus (EU)
Originally Posted by Flyfunner View Post
No, thats sadly not the caste. Death's Embrace Bonus on Corruption is also rolling. Tested it several times.
Well ok my last test was some time ago (several weeks), but Death Embrace, in generall, works very similar to a buff
Please post segments of a combat log proving that.
The way I understand it flat damage buffs on you are rolled flat damage debuffs on you are not. While Death's Embrace is neither I can certainly notice higher corruption ticks during the last 35% phase.

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Old 01/18/10, 2:40 PM   #1373
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by Freakz0r View Post
Please post segments of a combat log proving that.
The way I understand it flat damage buffs on you are rolled flat damage debuffs on you are not. While Death's Embrace is neither I can certainly notice higher corruption ticks during the last 35% phase.
It's hard to *prove* that with a simple combat log, since the combat log doesn't show mob health. But I just went out and tested this, and he appears to be right. Corruption doesn't benefit from death's embrace unless you recast it.

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Old 01/19/10, 1:51 AM   #1374
Flyfunner
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Teldrassil (EU)
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
It's hard to *prove* that with a simple combat log, since the combat log doesn't show mob health. But I just went out and tested this, and he appears to be right. Corruption doesn't benefit from death's embrace unless you recast it.
Yeah thats true, I dont see any use of a combat log. Anyway, its not hard to test it yourself, just go to the Target's on the Argent Tournament, they're most likely on 100% health when you get there, just apply corruption to them and keep it up for a while, then let it fall off and cast it again while the target is still under 35%.

It was always the case, that Death's Embrace Bonus is not applied to your running dots (and is not applied on corruptions refresh either). I already noticed that back in early Naxxramas runs, and it still didnt change.

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Old 01/19/10, 2:54 AM   #1375
tichphys
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Tichondrius
I suppose this means a combat potion (wild magic) ought to be used for the 35% corruption refresh, correct? This would be in contrast to pairing with bloodlust or something...

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Old 01/19/10, 12:12 PM   #1376
billafin
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Skullcrusher
Originally Posted by tichphys View Post
I suppose this means a combat potion (wild magic) ought to be used for the 35% corruption refresh, correct? This would be in contrast to pairing with bloodlust or something...
In addition to this question, I was wondering if you should happen to use the Potion of wild magic at the beginning of the fight with NMIC and keep your corruption rolling, is it even possible to refresh it again at 35% without getting the error "there is already a more powerful spell present"? How does one take advantage of Death's Embrace if this is the case? If we're saving NMIC and potions for the 35%, I feel that the majority of the fight is being ignored, however, not taking advantage of the Deaths' Embrace buff would be silly too. Can anyone shed some light on this?

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Old 01/19/10, 12:49 PM   #1377
Veár
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Zenedar (EU)
If you're using NMIC + Wild Magic Potion before pull (ie before combat) and thus for your first corruption you should have both available for refreshing at 35% (presuming of course this is required for Death's Embrace). With a Wild Magic Potion used for the refresh you shouldn't have much of an issue refreshing corruption (unless you had an unfortunate lightweave proc on the pull) at which point you can use Seed of Corruption to remove the existing corruption prior to refresh.

In reference to whether refreshing is required I attempted the following test:

Dummies at Argent Tournament Grounds, degeared, only buffs are that of Felhunter (on passive) and Glyph of Life Tap (easier as you have low mana and then doesn't matter if you need to tap for mana during tests, degeared just makes the number ranges smaller).

Haunt used on cooldown to refresh corruption + debuff + shadow's embrace. I only recast corruption when the dummy was at 1% for about 5 minutes.

Above 35% = average 255.
Sub 35% = average 255.
Recast = average 266.

Take from this what you will.

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Old 01/20/10, 2:01 AM   #1378
flashur
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Sylvanas (EU)
If only crit and damage percentage buffs can be rolled with corruption and everlasting affliction, I am assuming that recasting with Essence of the Blood Queen on Blood Queen Lana'thel could lead to a 100% increase on corruption for the entire fight. Waiting for servers up in the EU so unable to test this myself yet, can anyone confirm this?

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Old 01/20/10, 1:09 PM   #1379
Fecys
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Originally Posted by dakalro View Post
Just realized there might be a problem with 4T10 set bonus. As far as I know, since the start of WotLK dots never updated with +%dmg buffs on player unless you reapplied the dot, in which case they held that buff until expiration. Wouldn't this make the bonus possibly extremely bad for affliction then?
Unless you wait for that 15% chance to apply/reapply corruption but in that case we might lose NIC/Wild Magic bonus on the spell or give up NIC until the proc and just use Wild Magic during hero/on 35% reapplication.
We already have a shaky <35% 12% bonus to Corr due to the same behavior unless NIC is back off CD and we reapply, add in 4T10 and it seems like doing highest possible DPS becomes a juggling act with do I lose more by waiting rather than just skipping a bonus that would in theory be very good.
As far as I can tell, up to around 40s of time left on boss warrants a reapplication of Corr if you get an extra 10% (or 12% or 24% crit) so on longer fights the wait should be worth the boost.
Thats what I pointed out before aswell (and got banned for it..). It can also be very good if you somehow get lucky, you get a +15% dmg running corruption, but overall corruption wont benefit from it which will make the bonus a lot less good for afli.

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Old 01/21/10, 4:28 PM   #1380
xeonight
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Malfurion
Does anyone know how much the difference in Corruption's DPS would be if it had only 16% crit from the NMIC? how much dps is lost if haunt crits and removes a stack b4 we apply Corruption? One would have to find how much dps 1% crit is worth to the corruption spell.

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