Trinket Discussion - Page 11

Cigni · 01/08/09, 7:54 AM

Currently I'm in a dilemma I've done MULTIPLE dps tests that are around 1.5 million damage each with my trinkets, and the trinkets include.

[Extract of Necromantic Power]
[Sundial of the Exiled]
[The Egg of Mortal Essence]
[Darkmoon Card: Death]
[Embrace of the Spider]

They always end up doing the same or within the same dps, if I run multiple tests I still seem to get around the same numbers on the heroic target dummy, it's usually between 3200-3300 dps self buffed, I've tried almost every combination between them all, I think the one that has the highest dps and it might be because fel armor is almost never overhealing is embrace of the spider and egg of mortal essence, but my question is is there a real "winner" choice here? Or is it almost fair game with most combination of them.

Also: The only one I find to lack the most dps, or the one that constantly has ~3200 dps is any combinationt hat includes sundial of the exiled.

Naforce · 01/08/09, 8:03 AM

Originally Posted by Cigni

Currently I'm in a dilemma I've done MULTIPLE dps tests that are around 1.5 million damage each with my trinkets, and the trinkets include.

[Extract of Necromantic Power]
[Sundial of the Exiled]
[The Egg of Mortal Essence]
[Darkmoon Card: Death]
[Embrace of the Spider]

They always end up doing the same or within the same dps, if I run multiple tests I still seem to get around the same numbers on the heroic target dummy, it's usually between 3200-3300 dps self buffed, I've tried almost every combination between them all, I think the one that has the highest dps and it might be because fel armor is almost never overhealing is embrace of the spider and egg of mortal essence, but my question is is there a real "winner" choice here? Or is it almost fair game with most combination of them.

Also: The only one I find to lack the most dps, or the one that constantly has ~3200 dps is any combinationt hat includes sundial of the exiled.

First of all, by the heroic dummy do you mean the bossdummy? If so, you are not hitcapped which may have an impact on your result (missing a haunt hurts). Second of all, what would happen, dpswise, if you took one point out of Imp SB and put it in MC? (I'm curious).

Issa · 01/08/09, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Cigni

Currently I'm in a dilemma I've done MULTIPLE dps tests that are around 1.5 million damage each with my trinkets, and the trinkets include.

[Extract of Necromantic Power]
[Sundial of the Exiled]
[The Egg of Mortal Essence]
[Darkmoon Card: Death]
[Embrace of the Spider]

They always end up doing the same or within the same dps, if I run multiple tests I still seem to get around the same numbers on the heroic target dummy, it's usually between 3200-3300 dps self buffed, I've tried almost every combination between them all, I think the one that has the highest dps and it might be because fel armor is almost never overhealing is embrace of the spider and egg of mortal essence, but my question is is there a real "winner" choice here? Or is it almost fair game with most combination of them.

Also: The only one I find to lack the most dps, or the one that constantly has ~3200 dps is any combinationt hat includes sundial of the exiled.

Seeing as you are afflictionspecced: Not sure if this is still the case but Pandemic was bugged on dummies and did only 1 dmg. If that is still the case, the [Sundial of the Exiled] will be better than you tested it. The others won't affect it.

Envý · 01/08/09, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Issa

Seeing as you are afflictionspecced: Not sure if this is still the case but Pandemic was bugged on dummies and did only 1 dmg. If that is still the case, the [Sundial of the Exiled] will be better than you tested it. The others won't affect it.

It's only bugged with the 1 HP dummys, the bossdummy works as intended

oresteez · 01/08/09, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Cigni

Currently I'm in a dilemma I've done MULTIPLE dps tests that are around 1.5 million damage each with my trinkets, and the trinkets include.

[Extract of Necromantic Power]
[Sundial of the Exiled]
[The Egg of Mortal Essence]
[Darkmoon Card: Death]
[Embrace of the Spider]

They always end up doing the same or within the same dps, if I run multiple tests I still seem to get around the same numbers on the heroic target dummy, it's usually between 3200-3300 dps self buffed, I've tried almost every combination between them all, I think the one that has the highest dps and it might be because fel armor is almost never overhealing is embrace of the spider and egg of mortal essence, but my question is is there a real "winner" choice here? Or is it almost fair game with most combination of them.

Also: The only one I find to lack the most dps, or the one that constantly has ~3200 dps is any combinationt hat includes sundial of the exiled.

You may want to take the Egg out of your testing. I read that after the next patch, it's getting "fixed" so that it no longer gives any benefits to warlocks. I'm guessing that means Fel Armor will not make it proc anymore...

Tinava · 01/08/09, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by oresteez

You may want to take the Egg out of your testing. I read that after the next patch, it's getting "fixed" so that it no longer gives any benefits to warlocks. I'm guessing that means Fel Armor will not make it proc anymore...

Please link your source. I've heard the rumors, but I have yet to track down specifically in patch notes on PTR or otherwise where this is explicitly stated to be "fixed."

oresteez · 01/08/09, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Tinava

Please link your source. I've heard the rumors, but I have yet to track down specifically in patch notes on PTR or otherwise where this is explicitly stated to be "fixed."

Well I do not have any proof from patch notes, etc...
But if you read back to page 5....there's a conversation with a Bliz employee directly stating that this proc is not intended for Fel Armor...

So with that knowledge, let the buyer beware..

fane · 01/08/09, 9:28 PM

- Illustration of the Dragon Soul now increase your spell power by 20. (Up from 18, PTR change)

Source: PTR Patch 3.0.8 - Build 9438

Whitetooth · 01/09/09, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by oresteez

Well I do not have any proof from patch notes, etc...
But if you read back to page 5....there's a conversation with a Bliz employee directly stating that this proc is not intended for Fel Armor...

So with that knowledge, let the buyer beware..

Just tested it myself, still procs off Fel Armor in PTR Patch 3.0.8 - Build 9438.

oresteez · 01/09/09, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Whitetooth

Just tested it myself, still procs off Fel Armor in PTR Patch 3.0.8 - Build 9438.

That's great news for all the people who have already spent the emblems on it. I'm too paranoid to buy it myself.
It's probably one of those fixes that they 'want' to someday change, but have other things that take higher priority.

I can see it being more of a stealthy-hot fix (today it works, tomorrow it doesn't)

Illustration of the Dragon Soul now increase your spell power by 20. (Up from 18, PTR change)

This is great news too. So they nerfed it to the point where it was still good, and now they buffed it back up a little bit. No complaints here! (Although I wish I had one...)

Zasz · 01/09/09, 6:03 PM

[The Egg of Mortal Essence] or [Embrace of the Spider]. What if I choose to use both as affliction? I know haste is not as good as crit, just curious if ppl have tested it and what the results are when using haste trinkets instead of spellpower.

amz370 · 01/09/09, 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by Zasz

[The Egg of Mortal Essence] or [Embrace of the Spider]. What if I choose to use both as affliction? I know haste is not as good as crit, just curious if ppl have tested it and what the results are when using haste trinkets instead of spellpower.

AS affliciton Egg has even less of a chance of proccing than any other spec do to all your healing from SL.

Viper007Bond · 01/10/09, 4:55 AM

I've been reading through this thread and there's been a lot of talk about Affliction trinkets. What about Destro though?

[Dying Curse] is kinda obvious IMO as it's soooo much hit (I'd have to fiddle a lot with my gear to be able to not have a hit trinket), but what about the other? I currently have [Sundial of the Exiled] and I'm thinking [Item not found!] would be the ideal replacement since I always have CoA, Corr, and Imm up. Perhaps [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] though as that'd basically be a constant 200 (post-patch) spell power as I spam Inc. Although so many fights have downtime, maybe that isn't the best.

Thoughts?

Naforce · 01/10/09, 6:33 AM

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

I've been reading through this thread and there's been a lot of talk about Affliction trinkets. What about Destro though?

[Dying Curse] is kinda obvious IMO as it's soooo much hit (I'd have to fiddle a lot with my gear to be able to not have a hit trinket), but what about the other? I currently have [Sundial of the Exiled] and I'm thinking [Item not found!] would be the ideal replacement since I always have CoA, Corr, and Imm up. Perhaps [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] though as that'd basically be a constant 200 (post-patch) spell power as I spam Inc. Although so many fights have downtime, maybe that isn't the best.

Thoughts?

Illustration of the dragon soul is absolutely the best trinket you can get. Before every bossfight (and every other fight you feel you want too) you just spam underwater breathing on your self. Like no mana cost whatsoever and you get your stack up. The same goes for pauses in the fights such as sapphiron, when you're not dpsing and you don't want to lose your stack, just do a underwater breath! I'm not sure if underwater breathing is the right spell to do it with, I don't have the trinket myself, but any spell you can spam that doesn't cost you much mana at all!

Viper007Bond · 01/10/09, 6:36 AM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Illustration of the dragon soul is absolutely the best trinket you can get. Before every bossfight (and every other fight you feel you want too) you just spam underwater breathing on your self. Like no mana cost whatsoever and you get your stack up. The same goes for pauses in the fights such as sapphiron, when you're not dpsing and you don't want to lose your stack, just do a underwater breath! I'm not sure if underwater breathing is the right spell to do it with, I don't have the trinket myself, but any spell you can spam that doesn't cost you much mana at all!

Haha, I totally did not think of that. I was still in the "harmful spell" mindset of the BC card set trinket. Good thinking.

Apparently this also works off DoTs now (as of build 9438):

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